Who is the Answer? (merged)

#152
#152
1972 Grad said:
Yes, a "good" quarterback would have done much better than the true freshman Worley did against MTSU. Worley was only 21-31 or 32 for 289 yards, if this old withered brain recalls correctly. Also, as a sophomore, 8-11 against Vandy with an int. caused by Patterson, and a bounce off Hunter's facemask in the endzone for a sure TD.

Let's see, we are up to about 29 of 40 ish. It's a shame that he doesn't meet your strict requirements. Bray, on the other hand, really shined against Vandy last year. I seem to remember about 11 of 29 for just a hair over 100 yards, and 2 interceptions. I will look these figures up later. These stats are off the top of an old gray head.
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Darn you, 1972! Stop confusing that guy with facts mixed with 600lbs of common sense. You ought to know better. :)
 
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#153
#153
1972 Grad said:
Yes, a "good" quarterback would have done much better than the true freshman Worley did against MTSU. Worley was only 21-31 or 32 for 289 yards, if this old withered brain recalls correctly. Also, as a sophomore, 8-11 against Vandy with an int. caused by Patterson, and a bounce off Hunter's facemask in the endzone for a sure TD.

Let's see, we are up to about 29 of 40 ish. It's a shame that he doesn't meet your strict requirements. Bray, on the other hand, really shined against Vandy last year. I seem to remember about 11 of 29 for just a hair over 100 yards, and 2 interceptions. I will look these figures up later. These stats are off the top of an old gray head.
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I left this post up, instead of editing it, so you could check on my brain cells. I sold Worley a tad short. Against MTSU, he was 23-32 for the same 289 yards. Worley's Vandy stats are correct as previously stated. This gives a total of 31-43 for 340 yards in those 2 games.

Bray's stats are also correct. The exact yardage was 103.
 
#154
#154
WoodsmanVol said:
Darn you, 1972! Stop confusing that guy with facts mixed with 600lbs of common sense. You ought to know better. :)
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Thanks. He apparently isn't impressed with Worley. Is he a Dobbs , Ferguson, or Peterman fan, because I know he isn't high on High.
 
#155
#155
terrypedigo said:
If you start a freshman in the SEC you are asking for your head to be handed to you on a platter.:eek:hmy:
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Normally, I would agree with you. However, this is the best returning line we've had in years. This is the year we need to go with the most talented qb, especially a mobile one.

Not sure who that is because Worley is the only one I've seen in action.
 
#156
#156
I looked up the 40 yard dash times for our quarterbacks. Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson all at 4.8. Dobbs is either a 4.7 or a 4.94 , depending on which you believe. I couldn't find one listed for High. Apparently, speed is not going to be a factor in choosing a qb. Some may be more elusive or more durable running, but none are that fast.
 
#157
#157
1972 Grad said:
I looked up the 40 yard dash times for our quarterbacks. Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson all at 4.8. Dobbs is either a 4.7 or a 4.94 , depending on which you believe. I couldn't find one listed for High. Apparently, speed is not going to be a factor in choosing a qb. Some may be more elusive or more durable running, but none are that fast.
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Don't have to be fast to hand the ball off.
 
#158
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volatil said:
Don't have to be fast to hand the ball off.
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This is true. My thinking is that if have players who are stronger, faster, or more elusive than your qb, then they should be the ones running the ball. If a qb is able to make plays with his feet, and all receivers are covered, it is a bonus to have a qb who can take off. If not, throw it or hand it off.
 
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#160
WoodsmanVol said:
Darn you, 1972! Stop confusing that guy with facts mixed with 600lbs of common sense. You ought to know better. :)
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Good grief. I never stated Worley was dog meat, just that he hasn't really shined in the games he's played in. Matt Simms also had a decent completion percentage in 2010, but that didn't make him a star....and it didn't help him keep his starting job.

Matt Simms Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Don't let the facts hit you in the bum on the way out the door.
 
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#161
VOLorNuttin said:
Good grief. I never stated Worley was dog meat, just that he hasn't really shined in the games he's played in. Matt Simms also had a decent completion percentage in 2010, but that didn't make him a star....and it didn't help him keep his starting job.

Matt Simms Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Don't let the facts hit you in the bum on the way out the door.
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It could partially be that was because Simms started against Oregon, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Alabama, and So. Carolina. When it came time to play against a team that he might be able to beat like Memphis, Ole Miss, Vandy, and Kentucky, he had been replaced by Bray. Don't let the facts of playing against the 6 toughest teams on the schedule hit you in the bum on your way out the door.

By the time he got to play the next year when Bray got hurt, he had lost his confidence.
 
#162
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VOLorNuttin said:
Good grief. I never stated Worley was dog meat, just that he hasn't really shined in the games he's played in. Matt Simms also had a decent completion percentage in 2010, but that didn't make him a star....and it didn't help him keep his starting job.

Matt Simms Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Don't let the facts hit you in the bum on the way out the door.
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Simms is actually a good qb...just so long as he gets a minimum of 8 minutes in the pocket. Of course if he were to get hot from behind and fumble. It's not his fault.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Good grief. I never stated Worley was dog meat, just that he hasn't really shined in the games he's played in. Matt Simms also had a decent completion percentage in 2010, but that didn't make him a star....and it didn't help him keep his starting job.

Matt Simms Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Don't let the facts hit you in the bum on the way out the door.
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Simms is actually a good qb...just so long as he gets a minimum of 8 minutes in the pocket. Of course if he were to get hit from behind and fumble. It's not his fault.
 
#164
#164
1972 Grad said:
I looked up the 40 yard dash times for our quarterbacks. Worley, Peterman, and Ferguson all at 4.8. Dobbs is either a 4.7 or a 4.94 , depending on which you believe. I couldn't find one listed for High. Apparently, speed is not going to be a factor in choosing a qb. Some may be more elusive or more durable running, but none are that fast.
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Wow. I thought I remembered reading dobbs had like 4.5ish speed. Damn. We got no runners it appears
 
#165
#165
chattavol420 said:
Wow. I thought I remembered reading dobbs had like 4.5ish speed. Damn. We got no runners it appears
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You watch him run on his tape and their ain't no way he runs a 4.9. Very likely 4.6. I don't see any time listed on Rivals or Scout.

A quick learner who claims he mastered his high school's offensive system in a day, Dobbs is a natural fit in a spread offensive style. It's been eight seasons (Brent Schaeffer in 2004) since Tennessee used a dual-threat quarterback. Dobbs, who said his best time he ran in the 40-yard dash was 4.6 seconds, has that added dimension recent Tennessee quarterbacks have lacked.

Dobbs brilliant coup for Vols

FWIW, Colin Klein, who was a Heisman candidate last year, for KSU... ran a similar offense to Butch's as a dual threat and he ran a 4.7 at the NFL combine. I could hardly believe it, cause he was very effective as a runner.
 
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#166
#166
VOLorNuttin said:
You watch him run on his tape and their ain't no way he runs a 4.9. Very likely 4.6. I don't see any time listed on Rivals or Scout.

A quick learner who claims he mastered his high school's offensive system in a day, Dobbs is a natural fit in a spread offensive style. It's been eight seasons (Brent Schaeffer in 2004) since Tennessee used a dual-threat quarterback. Dobbs, who said his best time he ran in the 40-yard dash was 4.6 seconds, has that added dimension recent Tennessee quarterbacks have lacked.

Dobbs brilliant coup for Vols

FWIW, Colin Klein, who was a Heisman candidate last year, for KSU... ran a similar offense to Butch's as a dual threat and he ran a 4.7 at the NFL combine. I could hardly believe it, cause he was very effective as a runner.
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CBSSPORTS.com has him at 4.7. NCSASPORTS.com has 4.7. ESPNGO.com has Dobbs listed at 4.94. I didn't make it up.
 
#168
#168
Yep,just got a feeling,its going to be Dobbs. Butch is looking for a leader,Dobbs is the QB.Lets throw him in there while we have a strong OL. Worley..."Um,yeah,um i think we should....,um". Worley is the UM man.
 
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#170
#170
TNHopeful505 said:
Paul, I'm beginning to think that ain't gonna happen this year. Dobbs has done well, but hasn't even separated himself from
ferguson yet.
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It is way way way to early. Manning hadn't even set himself a part until half way through his freshman year. And even then, it wasn't his job set in stone. We had 4 great options.

With that said, I'm not saying Dobbs will or will not get the nod. I'm just saying that it is all speculation at this point and there's no way to know which way it will go. One day it's gonna just click for these young guys and we will know if the talent is there or not.
 
#171
#171
I think many Vol fans are over rating Dobbs, thinking he'll be a saviour as a freshman. Dobbs may indeed turn out to be a good SEC QB, but I wouldn't hold my breath. No other SEC team had any interest in Dobbs, including his home state Georgia, so he wasn't highly recruited by any power house programs. I do indeed hope he pans out to be a great player, but I don't see him as a game changer in the SEC.
 
#172
#172
Tale it for what it is worth, but the following info is courtesy of the "Vol Colonel," who regularly posts on Basilio's website and supposedly is privy to all practices, from start to finish (see The Tony Basilio Show). Right now, the quarterback position is strictly a two-horse race between Worley and Peterman. According to him, Worley leads but Peterman is closing the gap and he describes Peterman as having more upside, both in terms of arm strength and mobility. He likes what he has seen from the two incoming freshmen but considers them to be "miles and miles" behind Justin and Nate. He also considers Riley Ferguson to be ahead of Josh Dobbs at this point.
 
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