Who starts? Hubbs or Josh?

#26
#26
Does he start to begin the season? Probably not. This way they can bring him along gradually. By mid-season, 50-50. A lot will be determined on the best rotation for team chemistry once we get into league play.
 
#27
#27
cncchris33 said:
Too many of you want to discount the value of the veteran leadership and defense Richardson brings and the value of his two years experience at the SEC level. .
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Because all of those experienced SEC teams win championships.

In the mean time, I can point out Kentucky winning a championship as freshmen and Florida winning a championship as sophomores(and again as juniors).

I'll take elite talent over experience.
 
#28
#28
Richardson starts. He has the most experience, best defender on the floor, and has an improving offensive game. People are forgetting that team chemistry is very important in basketball. The projected starters now have a couple of seasons playing and practicing together. They know what to expect and what each can do.

Hubbs will get significant minutes. Once he gets the defensive side he will get as many as the starters. If an injury occurs he will be ready to step in. With Jordy graduating he will start the following season. That's why I see him being a Vol for 2-3 seasons like Stokes.
 
#29
#29
People are crazy.

Go look at all the championship teams and check out the underclassmen they're starting. Even Butler started underclassmen. Pretty sure Gordon Hayward and Shelvin Mack were sophomores during the first championship they played in. Even teams like Duke and North Carolina start the most talented players regardless of seniority. Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes... but we have people here saying a team that can't even make the tournament the past two seasons shouldn't start 5* talent because we have a more experienced player. More experienced at what??? Being average in a conference that's terrible?

If we don't start Hubbs, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of coming here in the future if I'm a 5* recruit when I know I could probably start at Duke under Coach K. Shouldn't early playing time(starting) be one of the benefits of coming to a mediocre team when you're a top recruit? If we're not even offering that then there is no reason to come here. It would be wiser to go play for Coach K. He's a better coach, has a better team and even he'll start you unless the team is a championship team that's stacked top to bottom. People are overvaluing this team and program at the moment for them to act like we can bring in 5* talent and not start them.

Oh, and don't compare this to Harden coming off the bench because we don't have the second best player in college basketball, another top 15 player and a third max contract player. We're not a championship runner up, we're a first round NIT exit. In our case, talent trumps experience. It does on quality teams too and we're not even a quality team. Where did everyone get this view that we're above Duke and Coach K? UNC and Roy? Kansas and Self?(started Selby). Ohio State and Matta?(started Craft). UCLA and Howland(started Mclemore). And we here at Tennessee, with a coach that's never made the tournament, are talking about benching a 5* recruit because we have an experienced but mediocre player in front of them lol.

Let's not start Hubbs... who needs 5* players in the future anyways? Second round loss, here we come. And I don't mean in the NCAA tournament.
 
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#30
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Vols4us said:
Richardson starts. He has the most experience, best defender on the floor, and has an improving offensive game. People are forgetting that team chemistry is very important in basketball. The projected starters now have a couple of seasons playing and practicing together. They know what to expect and what each can do.

Hubbs will get significant minutes. Once he gets the defensive side he will get as many as the starters. If an injury occurs he will be ready to step in. With Jordy graduating he will start the following season. That's why I see him being a Vol for 2-3 seasons like Stokes.
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Like it was said earlier, Hubbs and Richardson will probably have the same amount of minutes. People want to see the star. People want to hear his name called in the starting line up. It helps in recruiting to have his name called out over and over and over during the starting line up broadcasts. You hear over and over about "earning" their time. If he has a 5*, then he is talented enough to start. He's given that for a reason. He will probably have the best 3 point shot on the team the day he walks onto campus. Richardson will be just fine as the sixth man.
 
#31
#31
I'll leave it at this...

If Kentucky can form enough chemistry to win a championship with 5 or 6 freshman, surely our amazing chemistry can take the hit of sliding in a more talented player. Let's not start Maymon either. He was out last year and that wouldn't be good for chemistry. Wouldn't want to interfere with that NIT chemistry, talent be damned.
 
#32
#32
TOP said:
Because all of those experienced SEC teams win championships.

In the mean time, I can point out Kentucky winning a championship as freshmen and Florida winning a championship as sophomores(and again as juniors).

I'll take elite talent over experience.
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Putting words in my mouth doesn't strengthen your position. I missed the part where I said Josh's experience was the key to us winning the SEC.

You're comparing apples to oranges. There is already a good bit of talent at the wing. That talent also happens to have experience playing against elite competition. Bottom line, we don't need Hubbs to be the prime catalyst in a lineup that starts 3 seniors and 2 juniors.

Furthermore, bringing Hubbs off the bench gives us an offensive weapon to substitute. McRae (offense) and Richardson (defense) compliment each other much more than McRae and Hubbs. Those two are too much alike.
 
#33
#33
TOP said:
People are crazy.

Go look at all the championship teams and check out the underclassmen they're starting. Even Butler started underclassmen. Pretty sure Gordon Hayward and Shelvin Mack were sophomores during the first championship they played in. Even teams like Duke and North Carolina start the most talented players regardless of seniority. Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes... but we have people here saying a team that can't even make the tournament the past two seasons shouldn't start 5* talent because we have a more experienced player. More experienced at what??? Being average in a conference that's terrible?

If we don't start Hubbs, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of coming here in the future if I'm a 5* recruit when I know I could probably start at Duke under Coach K. Shouldn't early playing time(starting) be one of the benefits of coming to a mediocre team when you're a top recruit? If we're not even offering that then there is no reason to come here. It would be wiser to go play for Coach K. He's a better coach, has a better team and even he'll start you unless the team is a championship team that's stacked top to bottom. People are overvaluing this team and program at the moment for them to act like we can bring in 5* talent and not start them.

Oh, and don't compare this to Harden coming off the bench because we don't have the second best player in college basketball, another top 15 player and a third max contract player. We're not a championship runner up, we're a first round NIT exit. In our case, talent trumps experience. It does on quality teams too and we're not even a quality team. Where did everyone get this view that we're above Duke and Coach K? UNC and Roy? Kansas and Self?(started Selby). Ohio State and Matta?(started Craft). UCLA and Howland(started Mclemore). And we here at Tennessee, with a coach that's never made the tournament, are talking about benching a 5* recruit because we have an experienced but mediocre player in front of them lol.

Let's not start Hubbs... who needs 5* players in the future anyways? Second round loss, here we come. And I don't mean in the NCAA tournament.
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Yeah, but Richardson has an improved shot and a nice mid range jumper.
 
#34
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TOP said:
People are crazy.

Go look at all the championship teams and check out the underclassmen they're starting. Even Butler started underclassmen. Pretty sure Gordon Hayward and Shelvin Mack were sophomores during the first championship they played in. Even teams like Duke and North Carolina start the most talented players regardless of seniority. Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes... but we have people here saying a team that can't even make the tournament the past two seasons shouldn't start 5* talent because we have a more experienced player. More experienced at what??? Being average in a conference that's terrible?

If we don't start Hubbs, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of coming here in the future if I'm a 5* recruit when I know I could probably start at Duke under Coach K. Shouldn't early playing time(starting) be one of the benefits of coming to a mediocre team when you're a top recruit? If we're not even offering that then there is no reason to come here. It would be wiser to go play for Coach K. He's a better coach, has a better team and even he'll start you unless the team is a championship team that's stacked top to bottom. People are overvaluing this team and program at the moment for them to act like we can bring in 5* talent and not start them.

Oh, and don't compare this to Harden coming off the bench because we don't have the second best player in college basketball, another top 15 player and a third max contract player. We're not a championship runner up, we're a first round NIT exit. In our case, talent trumps experience. It does on quality teams too and we're not even a quality team. Where did everyone get this view that we're above Duke and Coach K? UNC and Roy? Kansas and Self?(started Selby). Ohio State and Matta?(started Craft). UCLA and Howland(started Mclemore). And we here at Tennessee, with a coach that's never made the tournament, are talking about benching a 5* recruit because we have an experienced but mediocre player in front of them lol.

Let's not start Hubbs... who needs 5* players in the future anyways? Second round loss, here we come. And I don't mean in the NCAA tournament.
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Just because he may not start doesn't mean he won't play starters minutes. You're taking a very myopic angle at this subject.
 
#35
#35
cncchris33 said:
Putting words in my mouth doesn't strengthen your position. I missed the part where I said Josh's experience was the key to us winning the SEC.

You're comparing apples to oranges. There is already a good bit of talent at the wing. That talent also happens to have experience playing against elite competition. Bottom line, we don't need Hubbs to be the prime catalyst in a lineup that starts 3 seniors and 2 juniors.

Furthermore, bringing Hubbs off the bench gives us an offensive weapon to substitute. McRae (offense) and Richardson (defense) compliment each other much more than McRae and Hubbs. Those two are too much alike.
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Stokes was as raw offensively and a defensive liability, but started a couple weeks after he joined the team. You don't sit a 5*.
 
#38
#38
TOP said:
People are crazy.

Go look at all the championship teams and check out the underclassmen they're starting. Even Butler started underclassmen. Pretty sure Gordon Hayward and Shelvin Mack were sophomores during the first championship they played in. Even teams like Duke and North Carolina start the most talented players regardless of seniority. Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes... but we have people here saying a team that can't even make the tournament the past two seasons shouldn't start 5* talent because we have a more experienced player. More experienced at what??? Being average in a conference that's terrible?

If we don't start Hubbs, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of coming here in the future if I'm a 5* recruit when I know I could probably start at Duke under Coach K. Shouldn't early playing time(starting) be one of the benefits of coming to a mediocre team when you're a top recruit? If we're not even offering that then there is no reason to come here. It would be wiser to go play for Coach K. He's a better coach, has a better team and even he'll start you unless the team is a championship team that's stacked top to bottom. People are overvaluing this team and program at the moment for them to act like we can bring in 5* talent and not start them.

Oh, and don't compare this to Harden coming off the bench because we don't have the second best player in college basketball, another top 15 player and a third max contract player. We're not a championship runner up, we're a first round NIT exit. In our case, talent trumps experience. It does on quality teams too and we're not even a quality team. Where did everyone get this view that we're above Duke and Coach K? UNC and Roy? Kansas and Self?(started Selby). Ohio State and Matta?(started Craft). UCLA and Howland(started Mclemore). And we here at Tennessee, with a coach that's never made the tournament, are talking about benching a 5* recruit because we have an experienced but mediocre player in front of them lol.

Let's not start Hubbs... who needs 5* players in the future anyways? Second round loss, here we come. And I don't mean in the NCAA tournament.
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So just because he's a 5* he should start? It's about wayyyy more than that stop being a star gazer. You act as if he doesn't start he's no longer on the team. He'll be getting starters minutes but right away he's got to learn the system and how to play with other JRich already knows how. Hubbs may eventually start, but as of now and going into summer workouts Richardson SHOULD start.

You're making no sense to me I really don't see how not starting Hubbs will automatically put us in the NIT. I'd love for you to explain.
 
#39
#39
IndianaVolunteer said:
Yes! Our last 5* SG didn't ever live up to the hype, let's at least wait till the rocky top league to start making predictions for this young man. VFL!
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How did I forget about Rocky Top BBall?

Who is gonna be there???
 
#40
#40
If we Start Hubbs right away I hope we have scoring coming off the bench. Richardson won't be that I don't see it from Thompson Q or Edwards. You have to look at more than just ability and talent. You have to look at what would be the best fits together and what could keep the offense going when starters are out.
 
#41
#41
johnnybravo said:
Stokes was as raw offensively and a defensive liability, but started a couple weeks after he joined the team. You don't sit a 5*.
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The stars are not always bullet proof. Now, if Hubbs comes in and catches on defensively, and is the scorer most think he is, then CCM probably will not have a choice but to star him. But not all 5 stars deserve to start.
 
#45
#45
I like the idea of letting Hubbs come off the bench at the beginning of next season. Less pressure and less worrying about foul troubles. Might also create match up problems for opposition. Assuming he develops quickly, increase minutes over the season and hopefully, he eventually takes starting position.
 
#46
#46
GoobieVol said:
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The stars are not always bullet proof. Now, if Hubbs comes in and catches on defensively, and is the scorer most think he is, then CCM probably will not have a choice but to star him. But not all 5 stars deserve to start.
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I wish discoving talent was as simple as who has more stars beside their name. The last 5* PG we had got benched in favor of Jordan Howell come tournament time. That alone blows a hole in the star theory.
 
#47
#47
cncchris33 said:
I wish discoving talent was as simple as who has more stars beside their name. The last 5* PG we had got benched in favor of Jordan Howell come tournament time. That alone blows a hole in the star theory.
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Yeah but in his defense, he had an armed burglarly to plan for the coming weekend. :loco:
 
#48
#48
I like the idea of Richardson starting and Hubbs being that spark off the bench. Of course if Hubbs is an absolute stud, I would have no problem with him starting.
 
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