Who starts? Hubbs or Josh?

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johnnybravo said:
He will be the BEST 3 point shooter on a team that struggles to hit the 3.
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I think this is one issue with your argument. You do not have a realistic picture of Hubbs as a player. He will definitely not be the best 3-point shooter on the team. Unless he makes huge strides in that department between now and November.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If your contention is that Hubbs is a better perimeter shooter than McRae, we'll get nowhere, and it's probably best if you just disagree with me and move on.

And as for McBee vs McRae. McRae shot 36% from 3 compared to Skylar's 33% last year. One percentage point separates their career percentages. You tell me who the "sharpshooter" is?
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You need to learn what sarcasim is. I was implying that McBee was called a sharpshooter by his coach and team mates but that was about it.

Are you bragging about McRae's 3pt%? He was 20th in the league. He's considered a good 3 pt shooter, but not a great 3 point shooter. He might be the best on UT's team, but there are much better pure shooters in the league than McRae.

On a team that was at the bottom of the league in 3 pt % last year, IMO we need all the help around the perimeter that we can get.
 
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johnnybravo said:
You need to learn what sarcasim is. I was implying that McBee was called a sharpshooter by his coach and team mates but that was about it.

Are you bragging about McRae's 3pt%? He was 20th in the league. He's considered a good 3 pt shooter, but not a great 3 point shooter. He might be the best on UT's team, but there are much better pure shooters in the league than McRae.

On a team that was at the bottom of the league in 3 pt % last year, IMO we need all the help around the perimeter that we can get.
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Dude, you are venturing so far off the reservation. Where did I brag about McRae's shooting ability? Where did I call him a "great 3-point shooter"? I was simply pointing out his averages compared to McBee, whom you obviously believed to be out biggest perimeter threat by implying someone had to fill his role.

What you need to do is familiarize yourself with Hubbs' game. He isn't a great shooter, amd barring marked improvement, won't be our best shooter from anywhere next year.

Quit putting words in my mouth and making examples of things out of context.

Bottom line, you have unrealistic expectations and a poor summary/recollection of Hubbs' abilities. If he is "the BEST 3-point shooter on next year's team", as you called him, I'll eat my words on the basis on marked improvement in contrast to his high school career. Honestly, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Dude, you are venturing so far off the reservation. Where did I brag about McRae's shooting ability? Where did I call him a "great 3-point shooter"? I was simply pointing out his averages compared to McBee, whom you obviously believed to be out biggest perimeter threat by implying someone had to fill his role.

What you need to do is familiarize yourself with Hubbs' game. He isn't a great shooter, amd barring marked improvement, won't be our best shooter from anywhere next year.

Quit putting words in my mouth and making examples of things out of context.

Bottom line, you have unrealistic expectations and a poor summary/recollection of Hubbs' abilities. If he is "the BEST 3-point shooter on next year's team", as you called him, I'll eat my words on the basis on marked improvement in contrast to his high school career. Honestly, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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This is a very accurate paragraph.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Dude, you are venturing so far off the reservation. Where did I brag about McRae's shooting ability? Where did I call him a "great 3-point shooter"? I was simply pointing out his averages compared to McBee, whom you obviously believed to be out biggest perimeter threat by implying someone had to fill his role.

What you need to do is familiarize yourself with Hubbs' game. He isn't a great shooter, amd barring marked improvement, won't be our best shooter from anywhere next year.

Quit putting words in my mouth and making examples of things out of context.

Bottom line, you have unrealistic expectations and a poor summary/recollection of Hubbs' abilities. If he is "the BEST 3-point shooter on next year's team", as you called him, I'll eat my words on the basis on marked improvement in contrast to his high school career. Honestly, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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I wasn't implying that McBee was our biggest perimeter threat. I was implying that we basically had no real perimeter threat at all. That's why we consistently saw a zone defense all year.

Just because you can see on a website that "areas of improvement" list shooting doesn't mean he's not a good 3 point shooter. I can find a half dozen articles and blogs that say Hubbs is a good 3 point shooter.

How many times have you actually seen Hubbs shoot the ball?
 
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johnnybravo said:
How many times have you actually seen Hubbs shoot the ball?
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Enough to know your opinion puts you in the vast minority.

Bare in mind, I'm not calling him a BAD shooter. There is just a large gap from where I believe his abilities are as a shooter to where you apparently want to believe they are. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad shooter.
 
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Skipping the first 6 pages but here my opinion...

I would say Richardson gets the nod to start the season, but it's possibly by around conference play Hubbs get the nod. One thing people are discounting when saying, "Hubbs starts day 1", is that Richardson may very well continue to progress. We already know about his defense, but Josh went from 2.9ppg to 7.9ppg and his offense 15 feet and in was exceptional. If he continues to improve and develops an outside shot you're talking about a junior who's a 2 year starter, our best defender and a double digit PPG contributor...not sure i see a freshman coming in and taking his spot.
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
16 ppg is not living up to hype? How many power six conference players average that many points?
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cncchris33 said:
Sadly, he didn't live up to the hype and fan expectations.

Of course, fan expectations were for him to lead the SEC in scoring as a freshman, go #1 overall in the draft, eat Kobe's lunch while scoring 50 in his NBA debut, cure cancer, eliminate the national debt, and create entire meals in capsule form.
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whocaresgobobcats said:
16 ppg is not living up to hype? How many power six conference players average that many points?
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First off, I didn't expect Scotty to be a first team All American all 3 years at UT. But I did expect more. He had a career average PPG of about 12 which isn't anything to brag about after starting for 3 years. Also, outside of scoring he was not much of a factor. He didn't drop dimes, pick up boards, produce steals or blocks. His free throw shooting was incredibly inconsistant as well, i believe it was under 60% which is unacceptable. Secondly, the SEC is a football league, not a basketball league. One of the weakest in the power 6.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I wasn't implying that McBee was our biggest perimeter threat. I was implying that we basically had no real perimeter threat at all. That's why we consistently saw a zone defense all year.

Just because you can see on a website that "areas of improvement" list shooting doesn't mean he's not a good 3 point shooter. I can find a half dozen articles and blogs that say Hubbs is a good 3 point shooter.

How many times have you actually seen Hubbs shoot the ball?
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I have seen him shoot enough times to know that he is not a good consistent 3-point threat. His shot needs quite a bit of work. Does not mean he could not develop into a good 3-point shooter. But he is definitely not one right now.
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
First off, I didn't expect Scotty to be a first team All American all 3 years at UT. But I did expect more. He had a career average PPG of about 12 which isn't anything to brag about after starting for 3 years. Also, outside of scoring he was not much of a factor. He didn't drop dimes, pick up boards, produce steals or blocks. His free throw shooting was incredibly inconsistant as well, i believe it was under 60% which is unacceptable. Secondly, the SEC is a football league, not a basketball league. One of the weakest in the power 6.
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67% career. 74% as a junior.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Did i say he was the best shooter on the team? I said 3 pt shooter. McRae's carreer 3 pt %age is nothing that I would call great. Losing your "sharp shooter" McBee last year leaves us screaming for help around the perimeter. Richardson's 21% .... please.
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Are you aware of what Hubbs 3pt% was last year, mind you the line is a foot closer in HS and he's facing much easier competition???

It was less than what McRae's 3pt% was last year.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Enough to know your opinion puts you in the vast minority.

Bare in mind, I'm not calling him a BAD shooter. There is just a large gap from where I believe his abilities are as a shooter to where you apparently want to believe they are. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad shooter.
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IMO, I think Hubbs can shoot between 32% - 36% from the 3. He should get plenty of open look spot up 3's being the 4th scoring option on the team. He will not draw the best defenders on the opposing team with McRae running along the perimeter as well. He will not shoot nearly the attempt as probably 4 or 5 others on the team, but IMO he will shoot a decent percentage. There will be nobody else on the team that will challenge Hubbs for the "3 point percentage" title other than McRae. So a team that virtually has no other threat will need someone else on the team that "CAN" actually hit one every now and then and that eliminates Richardson.


I know you are a Richardson fan, but face it...he got over recruited for a better player. He will get to come off the bench and log some decent minute and depending on next years next years class, he might get to start then.
 
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johnnybravo said:
IMO, I think Hubbs can shoot between 32%- 36% from the 3. He should get plenty of open look spot up 3's being the 4th scoring option on the team. He will not draw the best defenders on the opposing team with McRae running along the perimeter as well. He will not shoot nearly the attempt as probably 4 or 5 others on the team, but IMO he will shoot a decent percentage. There will be nobody else on the team that will challenge Hubbs for the "3 point percentage" title other than McRae. So a team that virtually has no other threat will need someone else on the team that "CAN" actually hit one every now and then and that eliminates Richardson.


I know you are a Richardson fan, but face it...he got over recruited for a better player. He will get to come off the bench and log some decent minute and depending on next years next years class, he might get to start then.
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He barely shot that last year where the 3 point line is a foot closer and he's playing against 5'5" white kids.
 
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cncchris33 said:
67% career. 74% as a junior.
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62% as a frosh, and 58% as a soph. Inconsistency right there. He'd go 9 of 10 some games and 4-10 in others, can't do that. Also a career 3pt average of 35% is not good either for a "shooting" guard. Although Scotty wasn't a bust, he didn't live up to his 5* name and game IMO.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I know you are a Richardson fan, but face it...he got over recruited for a better player. He will get to come off the bench and log some decent minute and depending on next years next years class, he might get to start then.
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They're completely different types of players.

With everything you add to your argument, from "5*s should never sit" to this, you convince me more and more that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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Yup, I still stand by my statement that Josh is going to play a lot at the 4 spot allowing Hubbs and him both plenty of minutes making this argument a moot point.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Yup, I still stand by my statement that Josh is going to play a lot at the 4 spot allowing Hubbs and him both plenty of minutes making this argument a moot point.
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How much? Because if he plays the 4 Maymon isn't out there most likely.

I could see:

Golden 30/ Thompson 10
McRae 30/ Hubbs 10
Richardaon 20/ Hubbs 20
Maymon 15/ Richardson 10/ Davis 15
Stokes 30/ Maymon 10
 
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omghulkhands said:
I am of the opinion that Richardson will likely be the starter at the 3 for the beginning of the season, but that could change depending on how good Hubbs actually is. Truth is that we don't know how good he is, we will just have to wait and see, but I tend to err on the side of caution and think he will just be good, not great.

I do think that Josh will log a lot of minutes at the 4 this year in relief of Stokes and Maymon and that could factor into what the starting lineup looks like. Maymon may not be able to put up a ton of minutes depending on health and conditioning in relation to his injury. Stokes is not a guy you want to see play 40 minutes, he needs a break, and sometimes he gets himself into foul trouble. Josh is the best option to come in and relieve those guys, he is strong enough and plays with enough hustle to out rebound and defend guys much bigger than him.

TL:DR = Don't be surprised to see Josh to play a lot of 4 and it not matter who starts as both will get their minutes.
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He was referring to this I think
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How much? Because if he plays the 4 Maymon isn't out there most likely.

I could see:

Golden 30/ Thompson 10
McRae 30/ Hubbs 10
Richardaon 20/ Hubbs 20
Maymon 15/ Richardson 10/ Davis 15
Stokes 30/ Maymon 10
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more or less exactly what I was thinking, but with less Davis and more Richardson
 
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