who was the worst president ever?

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#126
utvolpj said:
Iran?
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Yeah exactly. They had 52 American hostages and he ran 1 mission that was an absolute joke and failed miserably. From then on, he worked for a diplomatic solution.

It was hardly coincidence that the hostages were released minutes after Reagan was sworn in.
 
#127
#127
shelbyvillevol said:
Yeah exactly. They had 52 American hostages and he ran 1 mission that was an absolute joke and failed miserably. From then on, he worked for a diplomatic solution.

It was hardly coincidence that the hostages were released minutes after Reagan was sworn in.
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"yeah exactly" what? You said he never would have made that decision when he actually did as President. Success of the mission was never a qualifier and even if it was Obama wouldn't get credit.
 
#128
#128
shelbyvillevol said:
Yeah exactly. They had 52 American hostages and he ran 1 mission that was an absolute joke and failed miserably. From then on, he worked for a diplomatic solution.

It was hardly coincidence that the hostages were released minutes after Reagan was sworn in.
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Reagan's aggressive policy got 200+ marines killed in Libya. I know the hostage situation is widely viewed as a mark on the Carter presidency, but if a hostage situation (8 people died) is the "diciest" international scenario we face in a 4 year period, then I think we've had a good result.
 
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#129
utvolpj said:
"yeah exactly" what? You said he never would have made that decision when he actually did as President. Success of the mission was never a qualifier and even if it was Obama wouldn't get credit.
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Apples and oranges. Carter never would have sent anyone into Iran if not for the public backlash he would have received. He had to make some sort of effort to show he was at least trying to get those hostages back. Operation Eagle Claw was a farce.

If faced with the decision that Barack had, do you honestly think he would have given that mission the go ahead. I can say with 99.9999% certainty he would not have.
 
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#130
nbakerld said:
Reagan's aggressive policy got 200+ marines killed in Libya. I know the hostage situation is widely viewed as a mark on the Carter presidency, but if a hostage situation (8 people died) is the "diciest" international scenario we face in a 4 year period, then I think we've had a good result.
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please explain... If you are talking about Lebanon I was there and you sir don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
 
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#131
cd12 said:
please explain... If you are talking about Lebanon I was there and you sir don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
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You're right, it was Lebanon. That's what I meant.

What do I not have a clue about?
 
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#132
nbakerld said:
Reagan's aggressive policy got 200+ marines killed in Libya. I know the hostage situation is widely viewed as a mark on the Carter presidency, but if a hostage situation (8 people died) is the "diciest" international scenario we face in a 4 year period, then I think we've had a good result.
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If you're talking about the '86 bombing, Regan had total approval for that mission.

As for that situation being the "diciest" situation of Carter's Presidency, most believe if Carter would have won his re-election bid, those 52 hostages would have never made it home.
 
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#133
shelbyvillevol said:
If you're talking about the '86 bombing, Regan had total approval for that mission.

As for that situation being the "diciest" situation of Carter's Presidency, most believe if Carter would have won his re-election bid, those 52 hostages would have never made it home.
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So? Doesn't change the result.

Also, people win and lose elections over the dumbest **** so I don't think it necessarily says anything about the hostage crisis. You can get re-elected for waging war, but can't for keeping the peace. I'll take Iran over Lebanon any day of the week.
 
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#135
#135
cd12 said:
The fact that I am assuming that you are saying President Reagan got my fellow marines killed.
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So who was in charge if he wasn't? You may think it was a worthy sacrifice, but that doesn't change the fact that Reagan was at the helm making the calls when they died.

And I'm sorry you dealt with that. I hate that it happened. If we stick to our borders it doesn't happen.
 
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#136
shelbyvillevol said:
If you're talking about the '86 bombing, Regan had total approval for that mission.

As for that situation being the "diciest" situation of Carter's Presidency, most believe if Carter would have won his re-election bid, those 52 hostages would have never made it home.
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He is talking about the barracks bombing
 
#137
#137
nbakerld said:
So who was in charge if he wasn't? You may think it was a worthy sacrifice, but that doesn't change the fact that Reagan was at the helm making the calls when they died.
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What call did he make? Now if you want to gear your anger towards the Commanding Officer of the base and the laxed security by all means have at it.
 
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#139
cd12 said:
What call did he make? Now if you want to gear your anger towards the Commanding Officer of the base and the laxed security by all means have at it.
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In general a strong foreign policy, but specifically:

Col. Timothy J. Geraghty, the commander of the Marines in Beirut during the incident, has said that "the Marine and the French headquarters were targeted primarily because of who we were and what we represented;"[12] and that,

"It is noteworthy that the United States provided direct naval gunfire support -- which I strongly opposed for a week -- to the Lebanese Army at a mountain village called Suq-al-Garb on September 19 and that the French conducted an air strike on September 23 in the Bekaa Valley. American support removed any lingering doubts of our neutrality, and I stated to my staff at the time that we were going to pay in blood for this decision."
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1983 Beirut barracks bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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#143
Gearghty was an incompetent stooge. I would spit in his face should I ever run into him. Funny he didn't take the precautions necessary had he felt so strong about a possible attack. The blood spilled is on his hands and you won't find that in a google search, my friend.
 
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#144
For the sake of asking, FDR is responsible for Pearl Harbor, Fall of the Philipines, North Africa, The initial Bulge Surge......
 
#145
#145
cd12 said:
Gearghty was an incompetent stooge. I would spit in his face should I ever run into him. Funny he didn't take the precautions necessary had he felt so strong about a possible attack. The blood spilled is on his hands and you won't find that in a google search, my friend.
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And Reagan, his boss, gets absolutely no blame for putting them in harm's way. Got it.
 
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