who was the worst president ever?

#101
#101
nbakerld said:
Jackson did some really bad things, but he did some awesome things. I like him because he wasn't bought and sold. The things he did, he did them because he believed in them. He tried to commit political suicide by fighting the central bank, and he won!
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I think some assume Johnson impeachment=bad President, which is very far from the truth. He wasn't too bad.

I can't stand the love Lincoln gets. Drives me crazy. Also, Andrew Jackson, can't stand the racist bastage.
 
#102
#102
zjcvols said:
I think some assume Johnson impeachment=bad President, which is very far from the truth. He wasn't too bad.

I can't stand the love Lincoln gets. Drives me crazy. Also, Andrew Jackson, can't stand the racist bastage.
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By today's standards, everyone in history is a racist. A lot of the Indian policy that got blamed on Jackson was actually executed by Van Buren. The other part that gets blamed on him was when he was a General slaughtering Indians. In the book American Lion the author argued that Old Hickory was given ambiguous orders so that if there was anger about the treatment of the Seminoles (or whomever) the buck could be passed to AJ.

I honestly think the Indian question is played up when it comes to AJ because history wants to distract from his fight against the bank. Which early president had a good record with regard to Indians? Why is Jackson singled out?
 
#103
#103
The two events in the history of this nation that could really have ended the country are the Civil War and WW II. The Great Depression and WW I are a distant third and fourth.

And yet folks on here are listing the two presidents that navigated us through those crises as the worst?
 
#104
#104
lawgator1 said:
The two events in the history of this nation that could really have ended the country are the Civil War and WW II. The Great Depression and WW I are a distant third and fourth.

And yet folks on here are listing the two presidents that navigated us through those crises as the worst?
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haven't FDR's policies been credited with prolonging the depression? FDR wanted to strengthen the executive by packing the SCOTUS to ensure that his New Deal would stop being rejected. He interned American citizens without due process.
 
#105
#105
lawgator1 said:
The two events in the history of this nation that could really have ended the country are the Civil War and WW II. The Great Depression and WW I are a distant third and fourth.

And yet folks on here are listing the two presidents that navigated us through those crises as the worst?
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Yes. More diplomatic politicians could've avoided the Civil War and WWII. Lincoln initiated the first 8 conflicts where blood was shed. Japan would've never bombed Pearl Harbor had we traded with them.
 
#106
#106
dreVol said:
haven't FDR's policies been credited with prolonging the depression? FDR wanted to strengthen the executive by packing the SCOTUS to ensure that his New Deal would stop being rejected. He interned American citizens without due process.
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Prolonged the depression? Are you drunk?

You can reasonably argue that in the long term social spending is bad, okay no problem. But you think he prolonged the depression? You are out of your mind.

The internment of Japanese-Americans is a blight on the country's history, no doubt. But you have to weigh that against everything else.


nbakerld said:
Yes. More diplomatic politicians could've avoided the Civil War and WWII. Lincoln initiated the first 8 conflicts where blood was shed. Japan would've never bombed Pearl Harbor had we traded with them.
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Avoided WW II through better diplomacy? With Hitler? Oh sure, no problem.
 
#111
#111
lawgator1 said:
Prolonged the depression? Are you drunk?

You can reasonably argue that in the long term social spending is bad, okay no problem. But you think he prolonged the depression? You are out of your mind.

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failing to recognize that economists have suggested that FDR's policies likely prolonged the depression indicates that you are intellectually dishonest.
 
#114
#114
We had recessions and depressions all throughout the 19th century without a Federal Reserve and nothing was ever as bad as during the Depression.

The great crash of 1920 (double digit unemployment, etc) was over in no time cause Harding backed off.

Then in 1929 Hoover spends, and spends, and spends. Then FDR spends, and spends, and spends. And the depression goes on for a decade. Go figure.
 
#116
#116
nbakerld said:
:whistling:

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate / UCLA Newsroom
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Glad to see you chose something neutral and non partisan.

This revision of history you cite has been roundly criticized as poorly modeled, ignoring key facts and economic trends at the time, and as being mere fodder for the far right to attack social spending, in principle.

Like I say, that's a worthy debate. Happy to discuss. But trotting out garbage studies that are the darling of the far right does not help your cause.
 
#117
#117
lawgator1 said:
Glad to see you chose something neutral and non partisan.

This revision of history you cite has been roundly criticized as poorly modeled, ignoring key facts and economic trends at the time, and as being mere fodder for the far right to attack social spending, in principle.

Like I say, that's a worthy debate. Happy to discuss. But trotting out garbage studies that are the darling of the far right does not help your cause.
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LG Playbook

Rule #1 - If you don't like what someone is saying, call it "partisan"
Rule #2 - You don't have to back up anything that you say, but others do
 
#120
#120
lawgator1 said:
nbakerkid playbook:

Rule # 1 -- big government bad.
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FYP

If you weren't so partisan, you would realize I criticize Republicans and Democrats equally. I readily recognize Clinton as the best president of my lifetime.

Nice try, though.
 
#121
#121
lawgator1 said:
Glad to see you chose something neutral and non partisan.

This revision of history you cite has been roundly criticized as poorly modeled, ignoring key facts and economic trends at the time, and as being mere fodder for the far right to attack social spending, in principle.

Like I say, that's a worthy debate. Happy to discuss. But trotting out garbage studies that are the darling of the far right does not help your cause.
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For our edification then I'm sure you could produce a plethora of links and references that are wholly unassailable as being partisan and are practically universally accepted...but for now could you produce just one?
 
#124
#124
Jimmy Carter was the worst.

For me, Barack having the balls to go into Pakistan without consent to get UBL puts him ahead of Carter, imo. Carter would have never made that decision. He was diplomatic to a fault.
 
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