Who will have a better 2008, Dale Jr. or Kyle Busch?

#51
#51
rbroyles said:
Well the thought is based on that, but with all the improvements in safety included. Mainly what I would like to see is taking the chassis of the COT, and using stock body panels which would require mods on the chassis to make the panels fit. Then you would have much stronger brand ID for the fans, something that has been steadily going away. In the 60-70s, you had as much fan interest in which car won as which driver. I have seen fights break out because a Ford passed a Chevy or any other combo of brands doing this. Todays cars are not even accurate facsimilies of the production car. How many V-6 powered front wheel drive, four door sedans are on the track? I think this is one of the prime reasons fan interest is dropping, particularly among the older long time fans; The people who put NASCAR on the map.

Todays cars are too similar, drivers too bland (Stewart, R. Gordon, Montoya and Harvick excepted), and races too contrived (inconsistent cautions & red flags). The level of competition is becoming top heavy with fewer total winners, although I admit it is better than the 60-80s. Not as good as from 1990 to around 2005.
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hence the reason i will always put open wheel racing ahead of stock cars in terms of just over all better racing.
 
#52
#52
doozer said:
hence the reason i will always put open wheel racing ahead of stock cars in terms of just over all better racing.
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If you are talking about IRL, I wholeheartedly agree. I would rather watch them than any other form of the sport. And if you would have told me I would say that several yrs ago, I would have laughed. CART or whatever it is today is IMO a second tier league. F-1 is technologically exciting, but there are more passes on one lap in NASCAR than half a season in F-1. Sprint cars are awesome, but lose too much of their excitement on TV. If you can see them live, they are great, specially at Knoxville or Stewarts' place.
 
#53
#53
I'll take Nascar for my personal tastes. I even went to the St.Pete Grand Prix. They only had a field of 19 cars. Booooooring.
 
#54
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McLovin said:
I'll take Nascar for my personal tastes. I even went to the St.Pete Grand Prix. They only had a field of 19 cars. Booooooring.
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That would be possibly the worst example to judge by. Watch an IRL race on an oval track, they run wheel to wheel, literally. I am going to go out on a limb and bet the average margin of victory for IRL is less than NASCAR on ovals.
 
#56
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doozer said:
And it's too dangerous to have 43 IRL cars on one track.
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I will say the same for NASCAR as they cannot run without an awful lot of wrecks. You dont need more than 24 cars to have a good race, if the field is competitve. Now I have to agree NASCAR has a more overall competitive field, but IRL has lap after lap of close running for the lead. They run shorter races which means there is little or no holding back. That they are in open wheel cars makes it more exciting since a miscue can mean disaster. In NASCAR, they dont really run hard untll the last hour or less. I have been an advocate for shorter races for many years. I believe it would increase the TV ratings. People who are casual fans lose interest before they really start racing.
 
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rbroyles said:
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That would be possibly the worst example to judge by. Watch an IRL race on an oval track, they run wheel to wheel, literally. I am going to go out on a limb and bet the average margin of victory for IRL is less than NASCAR on ovals.
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Cool,I will have to give it a try and watch in that case.
 
#59
#59
NASCAR is a better party. IRL is better racing. The Indy 500 is the best of both.
 
#60
#60
doozer said:
NASCAR is a better party. IRL is better racing. The Indy 500 is the best of both.
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I both agree and disagree. Every race fan should go to Indy at least once, and just soak up the rich traditions that hang like a fog over it. I managed to get in Gasoline Alley for three days of practice, a client had a garage in town and owned cars in several 500s. He got me tickets for Pole Day and the race. I enjoyed every minute, except the race. You cannot see more than about 30% of the track, and less from the lower seats. The first turn "Snake Pit" is absolutely a zoo. I drove home (Terra Haute at the time) as fast as I could so I could watch it on tv & see what happened.
 
#61
#61
I hope that Dale Jr. has the better year, but I don't try to make a habit out of trying to predict the future.
 
#62
#62
You think this IRL and Champ-car merger will happen and create more interest in open wheel racing?
 
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McLovin said:
You think this IRL and Champ-car merger will happen and create more interest in open wheel racing?
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It is looking shaky right now, same song, different verse? I would like to see it happen, but it always falls apart at crunch time. I think Tony George just likes to play games. Open wheel racing is in a critical situation with falling tv ratings, loss of drivers to NASCAR, and particularly the Champ Car guys are on very shaky ground with few recognized name drivers to attract fans.
 
#65
#65
Well obviously Kyle is having the better year, but really....... Who in their wildest dreams would have thought Jr would be top Hendrick driver after 4 races :crazy:
 
#66
#66
Kyle is incredible and dominating but Jr is doing better than expected too. Jeeze,how bad is Kyle making JJ Yeley(not that he ever looked good)and Casey Mears look.
 
#67
#67
McLovin said:
Kyle is incredible and dominating but Jr is doing better than expected too. Jeeze,how bad is Kyle making JJ Yeley(not that he ever looked good)and Casey Mears look.
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Actually Denny Hamlin had already made Yeley look bad, Busch made him look worse. Since Mears drives for Hendrick, that's not a direct comparison. I wouldn't be too quick to judge Casey, he was wrecked while running well once. I expect him to win at least once.
 
#69
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rbroyles said:
Actually Denny Hamlin had already made Yeley look bad, Busch made him look worse. Since Mears drives for Hendrick, that's not a direct comparison. I wouldn't be too quick to judge Casey, he was wrecked while running well once. I expect him to win at least once.
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Are you talkin about Mears winning at least once this year??? NO CHANCE
 
#73
#73
As far as the Busch and Jr. comparison it's hard to say just yet. Chevrolet hasn't won a race so far and that streak won't last long. The first time Kyle Busch hits the wall hard enough that he has to be carried away by the safety crew will put an end to some of his daring moves on the track. I still think Jr. has the better year before the season is over. I am partial to the Hendrick cars though so my opinion is invalid.
 
#74
#74
d4ster3 said:
Are you talkin about Mears winning at least once this year??? NO CHANCE
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YEP!! And more than one will not surprise! One thing's for sure, anyone driving for Hendrick has a chance, another is we will find out sooner or later.
 
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