Who's up for December Delirium, a 32 team playoff?

#76
#76
PEPPERJAX said:
Name any season in CFB history where 32 teams were legit contenders.
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Name any season in college basketball where 68 teams were legit contenders. It's not about that. Fans want to see how far their favorite team can go before it gets cut. Maybe they'll spoil a rival's season. Maybe they'll win $100 in a bet. Right now we are playing a ton of meaningless zombie bowl games that nobody gives af about. This proposal would make many of these game worth watching.
 
#77
#77
12 too many IMO
You want a more true eval of who is best... all playoff games on a neutral field... equal tickets (visiting teams now set to just at least 3500?), other equalizers?
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
It would cause an extreme amount of meaningless season games. Example would be this Vandy game. It goes from the most important game of the season to one you rest your stars.

Also, the miss matches would be glaring and you'd get lopsided scores early and often. Who would even want to watch Alabama beat the crap out of a Louisiana or a Liberty first week? This is not basketball where small schools can commonly compete.
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You make a good point, but with greater parity due to NIL/Portal the mismatches might not be as bad as you think. Also the SEC (and to lesser degrees the BIG10 and ACC) gets penalized because they play stronger conference teams so this would bring them back into the mix to play the teams in weaker conferences with low SOS.

For example if you look at the current rankings you'll see that SEC teams like Florida, LSU and Missouri would have a very good chance of beating higher ranked teams out of conference like Indiana, BYU or Boise State.

In the scenario, the first 8 teams get a bye, and the rest play in round 1:

9. Indiana
10. Boise State
11. SMU
12. Alabama
13. Ole Miss
14. Clemson
15. South Carolina
16. Arizona State
17. Texas A&M
18. BYU
19. Tulane
20. Iowa State
21. Kansas State
22. Colorado
23. UNLV
24. Missouri
25. Illinois
26. LSU
27. Army
28. Syracuse
29. Louisville
30. Florida
31. Georgia Tech
32. Texas Tech
 
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DC_Vol said:
I think a 4 team playoff was just fine.
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What if you were 2023 Georgia who lost one game to Bama by 3 points and got left out? 2023 FSU were 12-0 conference winners and they were left out (for a good reason, but settle it on the field). Those issues would not exist with an expanded playoff. Also the Vols would have been in it last year, and I'd rather see a meaningful competitive game instead of a blowout bowl win against Iowa.
 
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I don’t know what they just did 12 teams anyways and have that big of a break between the regular season and playoffs/bowl games. Just keep playing
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
Useless comment.
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Why not some type of NFL MODEL for
Playoffs??? It eliminates the bias and human element!!!! As long as money is involved and people are deciding there is CORRUPTION
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Knock the conferences back to 10 teams with no conference championship. Play 9 conference games and have a 16 team playoff. Tell indies to join a conference. Rebuild P5s and then put in 3 more champs plus next 8 highest ranked teams. Indies could go in those 8. No byes. 2 brackets.
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The CFP has no control over the conferences. Conferences are also used for all sports and is how money is generated.

There are 10 conferences and the Independents. There are 134 total teams. There are 72 in what are considered the top conferences plus the 3 Independents. There are 62 in the G5 conferences.

Ten teams per conferences = 13 conferences (7 of those would replace the 3 + PAC 12 leftovers that are there and 6 would be the group of 5 that now becomes 6 conferences)

So now you have at least 7 automatic bids from those 7 conferences plus at least 1 from the group of 6 - if the playoff stays at 12, that leaves 4 at large bids.
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
You make a good point, but with greater parity due to NIL/Portal the mismatches might not be as bad as you think. Also the SEC (and to lesser degrees the BIG10 and ACC) gets penalized because they play stronger conference teams so this would bring them back into the mix to play the teams in weaker conferences with low SOS.

For example if you look at the current rankings you'll see that SEC teams like Florida, LSU and Missouri would have a very good chance of beating higher ranked teams out of conference like Indiana, BYU or Boise State.

In the scenario, the first 8 teams get a bye, and the rest play in round 1:

9. Indiana
10. Boise State
11. SMU
12. Alabama
13. Ole Miss
14. Clemson
15. South Carolina
16. Arizona State
17. Texas A&M
18. BYU
19. Tulane
20. Iowa State
21. Kansas State
22. Colorado
23. UNLV
24. Missouri
25. Illinois
26. LSU
27. Army
28. Syracuse
29. Louisville
30. Florida
31. Georgia Tech
32. Texas Tech
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The likes of of those schools probably would beat the brakes off those schools, that was my point. They won't, however, beat the top teams in their conference as has been proven with all their current conference losses.

I'm not sure what you want to see? You want the lower SEC schools to take out the weaker conferences top teams before they get beat by the teams that beat them already? Why not just let the top teams play, the weak schools with good records will get taken out anyway.
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
Name any season in college basketball where 68 teams were legit contenders. It's not about that. Fans want to see how far their favorite team can go before it gets cut. Maybe they'll spoil a rival's season. Maybe they'll win $100 in a bet. Right now we are playing a ton of meaningless zombie bowl games that nobody gives af about. This proposal would make many of these game worth watching.
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Not a good comparison.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
The likes of of those schools probably would beat the brakes off those schools, that was my point. They won't, however, beat the top teams in their conference as has been proven with all their current conference losses.
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All the schools at the top of the SEC did not play each other in the regular season -

- Tennessee did not play Texas or A&M or Ole Miss or Missouri
- A&M did not play Georgia or Alabama
- Ole Miss did not play Texas, Tennessee, A&M or Alabama

There is no way of knowing who would win any of those games.
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
What if you were 2023 Georgia who lost one game to Bama by 3 points and got left out? 2023 FSU were 12-0 conference winners and they were left out (for a good reason, but settle it on the field). Those issues would not exist with an expanded playoff. Also the Vols would have been in it last year, and I'd rather see a meaningful competitive game instead of a blowout bowl win against Iowa.
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It’s always been that way and in fact still is. A larger playoff field increases the surface area for arguments of who should be in and who shouldn’t.

A 4 team format yields a reasonable probability that the best team in college football is included in the field. That’s what the playoffs was supposed to be about.
 
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Other than potential lop-sided games, I still don't get the concern with moving to 16 (same number of games with 12 if you remove byes) or 32 (potentially one more game though we will probably see at least one maybe both of the teams in the championship playing that many games).

This also would probably result with players not opting out for the draft like the do with the meaningless bowl games. You would have 31 games that actually lead to something tangible.
 
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Budalicious said:
Why not some type of NFL MODEL for
Playoffs??? It eliminates the bias and human element!!!! As long as money is involved and people are deciding there is CORRUPTION
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This I agree with. The criteria for playoff rankings needs to be transparent.
 
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Arrested Devolopment said:
You make a good point, but with greater parity due to NIL/Portal the mismatches might not be as bad as you think. Also the SEC (and to lesser degrees the BIG10 and ACC) gets penalized because they play stronger conference teams so this would bring them back into the mix to play the teams in weaker conferences with low SOS.

For example if you look at the current rankings you'll see that SEC teams like Florida, LSU and Missouri would have a very good chance of beating higher ranked teams out of conference like Indiana, BYU or Boise State.

In the scenario, the first 8 teams get a bye, and the rest play in round 1:

9. Indiana
10. Boise State
11. SMU
12. Alabama
13. Ole Miss
14. Clemson
15. South Carolina
16. Arizona State
17. Texas A&M
18. BYU
19. Tulane
20. Iowa State
21. Kansas State
22. Colorado
23. UNLV
24. Missouri
25. Illinois
26. LSU
27. Army
28. Syracuse
29. Louisville
30. Florida
31. Georgia Tech
32. Texas Tech
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Please please please…explain what you’re thinking here. 9-32 play in round one. That’s 24 teams, 12 games, 12 winners advance.

Those 12 join the 8 byes to make 20 teams in round 2 for 10 games and I mean….
Your bracket is busted without additional byes.

Back to the drawing board.
 
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Arrested can call people names and argue all he wants, I never see it going to 32. And I personally think most folks don’t want to see it either. Just my opinion, I originally wanted 8, still think that was a good number. I do think there may come a day we see 16, but I hope they think long and hard before they ever consider going to any more than that. I think expanding the playoff has added excitement and it has not made the regular season less important it actually has made it very important. But going any further is going to water down and shorten the regular season at some point. I think we are in a good spot now, college football has never been more popular let’s sit back and enjoy it. Let’s let this ride 3-4 years and see if we need to stand pat or expand to 16 or go back to 8. GBO
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Arrested can call people names and argue all he wants, I never see it going to 32. And I personally think most folks don’t want to see it either. Just my opinion, I originally wanted 8, still think that was a good number. I do think there may come a day we see 16, but I hope they think long and hard before they ever consider going to any more than that. I think expanding the playoff has added excitement and it has not made the regular season less important it actually has made it very important. But going any further is going to water down and shorten the regular season at some point. I think we are in a good spot now, college football has never been more popular let’s sit back and enjoy it. Let’s let this ride 3-4 years and see if we need to stand pat or expand to 16 or go back to 8. GBO
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#100
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I really think 12 is fine. It’s roughly half of the Top 25 we have based the perception of the sport on. Even going to 12, you have to pick some teams that are real long shots.
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I like 12 too. It makes the regular season still meaningful. 32 teams would take the sting out of losing in the regular season. Every game counts.
 
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