Why college athletes shouldn't be paid?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, you don't kill the man in an attempt to treat the cancer. You trim the fat and find departments that are run inefficiently.
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I guarantee the English department costs more to run than it creates in revenue. Attempting to treat an academic setting the same as the local grocery store is the height of silliness.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, you don't kill the man in an attempt to treat the cancer. You trim the fat and find departments that are run inefficiently.
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that's funny. Have you ever seen the decision making process at a university? Guess not since you tried to use efficiency in the same thought.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I agree. However, until that happens, your attempt to interject market priciples into the discussion is misplaced and irrelevant.
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It is irrelevent because no one (mainly the universities) have no interest in addressing this. So in that point, we agree. We all know that things will not change, but it doesn't make it any less of a contridiction that needs to be pointed out.

As far as the injection of market principles, that seems to run counter to the trend that is currently going on right now with the hiring of athletic directors over the last several years. The days of the old football coach or baseball coach filling in the last good years of his life on campus as the athletic director are gone. In stead, you now have people that have MBAs and business backgrounds running these departments like corporations. How many more Vince Dooleys or Frank Broyles will we be seeing in the near future?
 
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hatvol96 said:
I guarantee the English department costs more to run than it creates in revenue. Attempting to treat an academic setting the same as the local grocery store is the height of silliness.
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The English department would be a necessity. But I'm sure there are several 200 level or above English classes (or some BS classes in other majors) that are just worthless and offer the students absolutely nothing in terms of what they will need to earn a living. And you will also have offerings that are just run inefficiently.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I guarantee the English department costs more to run than it creates in revenue. Attempting to treat an academic setting the same as the local grocery store is the height of silliness.
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can you imagine a Philosophy department ever turning a dime?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is irrelevent because no one (mainly the universities) have no interest in addressing this. So in that point, we agree. We all know that things will not change, but it doesn't make it any less of a controdiction that needs to be pointed out.
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As long as the athletic departments remain part of the university, there is no contradiction. You seem to be unable to grasp that the mission of a university is not profit driven.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's funny. Have you ever seen the decision making process at a university? Guess not since you tried to use efficiency in the same thought.
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They way universities currently are operated is a huge problem. There is a reason why tuition costs increase higher than the rate of inflation. You know as well as I do that ineffiency is a way of life. Just because they are inefficient by nature, it still doesn't make it right.

I'm fully aware that this will never change, so don't think I'm naive enough to believe that somehow, higher education in this country will somehow reform and turn itself around, or that this imaginary reformation would somehow transition over to how universities handle their athletic departments. It is what it is... still doesn't make it acceptable, though.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As long as the athletic departments remain part of the university, there is no contradiction. You seem to be unable to grasp that the mission of a university is not profit driven.
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I realize that it is not profit driven. But that does not mean that they cannot be run more efficiently (which means cutting waste and redundancies). Their core purpose of the university is to obviously educate the students (not disputing or even arguing that). But there seems to be little thought looked at how to most efficiently use the money that is brought in.
 
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volfanbill said:
so you want to boil it down to around 25-30 football programs across the country? Great idea.
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If that many programs are losing money in their athletic departments, how are they able to sustain themselves? Where does the money come from?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If that many programs are losing money in their athletic departments, how are they able to sustain themselves? Where does the money come from?
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doesn't sound like a great answer to your second question, but everywhere and anywhere.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The English department would be a necessity. But I'm sure there are several 200 level or above English classes (or some BS classes in other majors) that are just worthless and offer the students absolutely nothing in terms of what they will need to earn a living. And you will also have offerings that are just run inefficiently.
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Today, schools are offering bachelors degrees that you can barely earn a living with as far as that goes.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
can you imagine a Philosophy department ever turning a dime?
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That is why Foster is opening a philosophy store.

utvolpj said:
no way it's on the school if you have a degree and can't make a decent living.
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This is true, but some degrees don't exactly promise a ton of job options.

I haven't read through everyone's side/arguments on this, so i'm not trying to jump in and tick people off.
 
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Dbake005 said:
This is true, but some degrees don't exactly promise a ton of job options.
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perhaps, but if you’re majoring in a five thousand year old dead language like Sanskrit you should know your career will include refilling my iced tea
 
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is there any kind of loans or grants these athletes can apply for and not have to pay back? like they can just keep the money for themselfs.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Today, schools are offering bachelors degrees that you can barely earn a living with as far as that goes.
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That is the idiot's fault for enrolling in that major.

A degree does not equal good money.

You still have to work your ass off regardless of your degree or it's a waste of time and money to go to school.
 
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utvolpj said:
no way it's on the school if you have a degree and can't make a decent living.
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It doesn't benefit a state to waste resources on a major/program that prepares gradutes for low skilled, low wage careers. The only industries a state will attract are service related jobs, at best. In an ideal case (and again, I have no illusions about this ever coming into reality), a (state) university's mission should be to create an educated, skilled and productive working class, which would attract more jobs, and therefore create a wider revenue base.

This is one of many problems with higher (public)education in this country. Now, you add in not only wasteful/inefficient spending on the university level, but you compound that with having an athletic department that hemorrhages money, and it is a complete debacle. If there are as many universities out there losing money in their athletics departments as has been claimed by several of you here, how can that be defended?

If that many programs are net losers, then they need to get out of the athletics business and focus their resources in other more productive areas.

Could care less what a private university does, but for a state institution, there is a certain level of market driven realities that they have to face (regardless if their mission isn't to turn a profit). They still have a responsibility to use the money they have for the greater benefit of the state...
 
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justingroves said:
You still have to work your ass off regardless of your degree or it's a waste of time and money to go to school.
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It's a waste of state money to offer classes in public relations, philosophy, U.S. Environmental History, Social Justice and Social Change, [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]Understanding Diversity in a Global Society or any other such fluff.[/FONT][/FONT]
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It's a waste of state money to offer classes in public relations, philosophy, U.S. Environmental History, Social Justice and Social Change, [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]Understanding Diversity in a Global Society or any other such fluff.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Tell that to my college roommate who is making $300,000 doing PR in DC.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It's a waste of state money to offer classes in public relations, philosophy, U.S. Environmental History, Social Justice and Social Change, [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]Understanding Diversity in a Global Society or any other such fluff.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Yeah, God forbid someone have some depth to their education.
 
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