Why college athletes shouldn't be paid?

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The fact is, universities can no longer justify supporting programs that will not educate people on the trivial and esoteric if it is not a direct benefit to the state economy... and especially in the face of tuition rates increasing at rates higher than inflation and tax payers are already paying through the nose in taxes to keep these institutions afloat.

But when you add in the fact that there are some state run universities that are losing money in their athletic departments, as well, that further highlights their fiscal irresponsibility. Now again I ask, these athletic departments that are losing money... where do they get their support from when they come up short on revenue?
 
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GAVol said:
It depends on whether the goal is to teach a trade or provide higher education.
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GA, even you have to admit that you or your friends either took classes or knew of classes that were pure BS... and there were other classes that had rooms that could occupy 30+ people, yet only had 15 people in it. Or even worse, there would be one or two empty classrooms right down the hall from that one. Think of all of that overhead and waste that is used for some of that. And for what... just so a university can spout off about having the only Persian History curriculum within 400 miles?

You cannot not tell me that you didn't trip over yourself in wasted resources every time you walked around on campus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
GA, even you have to admit that you or your friends either took classes or knew of classes that were pure BS... and there were other classes that had rooms that could occupy 30+ people, yet only had 15 people in it. Or even worse, there would be one or two empty classrooms right down the hall from that one. Think of all of that overhead and waste that is used for some of that. And for what... just so a university can spout off about having the only Persian History curriculum within 400 miles?

You cannot not tell me that you didn't trip over yourself in wasted resources every time you walked around on campus.
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so who makes the decision as to what is useless and what is not useless? if no one takes the classes and there is no funding, there surely wont be a department or major.
 
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droski said:
Most state universities get the majority of their funding from private sources.
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That is true. My point is that states cannot afford to fill in gaps in revenue for many of these programs. If these programs cannot be supported by endowments or other revenue outside gov't grants, then there needs to be some serious discussion on many of these campuses about cutting programs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is true. My point is that states cannot afford to fill in gaps in revenue for many of these programs. If these programs cannot be supported by endowments or other revenue outside gov't grants, then there needs to be some serious discussion on many of these campuses about cutting programs.
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you just have to give up the idea that universities are about profitability or efficiency.

Higher learning is the function. Regardless of how people put that higher learning to use, higher learning for the sake of higher learning is the goal.
 
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droski said:
So since pretentious people exist no one should be allowed to learn about these things? Should be ban football because of TO and pacman jones?
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I'm not advocating that. If you want to learn about all of that, go right ahead. But the state shouldn't pay for it. You shouldn't get state assistance to help pay for it. If you want to get some gov't money to go to school or you want a gov't education, then you need to be doing something productive and something that will broaden the revenue base of the state. I have my selfish motives for this. If you have these people being productive and working in a skilled profession, there would be less need (ideally) to have many of these people on social entitlement programs (saving taxpayers money in the long run) because the only job skill they have is the ability to spout off trivia.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you just have to give up the idea that universities are about profitability or efficiency.
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I'm more arguing on the side of efficiency. I haven't said that universities need to turn a profit. I realize it is a idealistic notion, but it is still sad that the word "efficiency" is a pejorative when used with any institution that is related to government or state universities.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know what is worse than that? A group of pseudo-intellectuals sitting around talking about the works of Jack Kerourac, talking about some trendy new off-Broadway play, or some braggard rambling and boasting about himself. [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]
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However, what is worst of all are anti-intellectual tools who, despite being banned multiple times, continue to show up on message boards where they really add nothing and blather on with theories as asinine as the proposition that uniiversities should be modeled after DeVry. At least braggarts have accomplished something in life.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The fact is, universities can no longer justify supporting programs that will not educate people on the trivial and esoteric if it is not a direct benefit to the state economy.
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It's not a fact simply because your feeble mind thinks so. Your posts are of no value to this site, yet you're still here.
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hatvol96 said:
It's not a fact simply because your feeble mind thinks so. Your posts are of no value to this site, yet you're still here.
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From what I have read in this thread, then neither is the English Department at UT. It has no value, yet it's still part of the university.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
From what I have read in this thread, then neither is the English Department at UT. It has no value, yet it's still part of the university.
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do you seriously believe the English Dept at UT has no value? And I'm not just speaking of a monetary value
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
they are providing a service for the school, help bring in money. plus these guys are paying for it w/ their bodies. i've had several knee surgeries due to it. it takes its toll on ur body
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Your college didn't make you take that scholly...
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know what is worse than that? A group of pseudo-intellectuals sitting around talking about the works of Jack Kerourac, talking about some trendy new off-Broadway play, or some braggard rambling and boasting about himself. [FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]
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How exactly is that worse? Intellectually stimulating does not equal worthless.
 
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GAVol said:
It depends on whether the goal is to teach a trade or provide higher education.
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You mean you didn't realize that a flagship state university should be nothing more than an advanced version of high school shop class?
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hatvol96 said:
You mean you didn't realize that a flagship state university should be nothing more than an advanced version of high school shop class?
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Engineering, medicine, and the natural sciences along with some fundamental trade skills (or high school shop as you condescendingly put it) are where we need to focus. If someone wants to learn the trivial and the esoteric, they can always go to a private university or go to junior college.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Engineering, medicine, and the natural sciences along with some fundamental trade skills (or high school shop as you condescendingly put it) are where we need to focus. If someone wants to learn the trivial and the esoteric, they can always go to a private university or go to junior college.
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If as many people are learning this trivial stuff as you claim, that would make it not esoteric.
 
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Rasputin/TVA-
Should public high schools/junior highs/middle schools/etc. do away with athletic programs since they do not generate enough revenue to support themselves on their own?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Engineering, medicine, and the natural sciences along with some fundamental trade skills (or high school shop as you condescendingly put it) are where we need to focus. If someone wants to learn the trivial and the esoteric, they can always go to a private university or go to junior college.
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spoken like a true obtuse engineer.

What about rhetoric, logic, language, business, social skill, history, international relations, poly sci, philosophy, etc.

Sounds like you don't like the Princeton model of a liberal arts education. It's amazing that many employers and grad schools are comfortable with it.
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RV, sounds like you don't understand what a University seeks to provide, in terms of a well-rounded education. I think the thingyou're looking for is Trade/Vocational School. The purpose of college is to educate, not just train.

I could teach if someone said "here's how you give a test, and here's all the paperwork to make your student's do," but would you rather have that, or know that the person in front of the room is a competent individual that can answer questions beyond "is question 1, B?" Anyone can by trained to be a cog in a machine. I think that generally, though, it is the people that are well-rounded and can hold a conversation beyond "I put the square peg in the square hole. Which shape peg do you work with?" Personality goes a long way, and part of personality is being able to communicate on a variety of subjects, despite their worth to an entity, money-wise.
 
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tennaseevol said:
Rasputin/TVA-
Should public high schools/junior highs/middle schools/etc. do away with athletic programs since they do not generate enough revenue to support themselves on their own?
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Looks like we should do away with everything, and only teach math and science, but not physics...because that brings in real-world applications that are deemed worthless and trivial.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Engineering, medicine, and the natural sciences along with some fundamental trade skills (or high school shop as you condescendingly put it) are where we need to focus. If someone wants to learn the trivial and the esoteric, they can always go to a private university or go to junior college.
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Here's a better idea. Let people who wish to have a Flat Earth Society world view go to private school to get their pinhole narrow education.
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