Why is Butch Jones (still) hated so much?

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#1fulmerite said:
Seems that many threads turn into eith a Jones or Kiffin bashing thread. Don’t get me wrong; I hate CLK came in and ran half the team off and had virtually none of his recruiting class pan out and, Jones never could get over the hill. But, there seems to be more hatred towards Jones on VN threads than any of the other coaches and this includes Pruitt.

Is it because more was expected of him or that we didn’t really expect more from the other coaches? I mean, Pruitt could have completely devastated the program but yet he doesn’t seem the most disliked of our coaches. Jones was like forever and three coaches ago but, again, he’s beat down still and a lot.
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Because a lot of people love to hate and have what have you done for us lately mentalities.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Seems that many threads turn into eith a Jones or Kiffin bashing thread. Don’t get me wrong; I hate CLK came in and ran half the team off and had virtually none of his recruiting class pan out and, Jones never could get over the hill. But, there seems to be more hatred towards Jones on VN threads than any of the other coaches and this includes Pruitt.

Is it because more was expected of him or that we didn’t really expect more from the other coaches? I mean, Pruitt could have completely devastated the program but yet he doesn’t seem the most disliked of our coaches. Jones was like forever and three coaches ago but, again, he’s beat down still and a lot.
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Can't hate a man that is mediocre at his job and making 7 figures.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Seems that many threads turn into eith a Jones or Kiffin bashing thread. Don’t get me wrong; I hate CLK came in and ran half the team off and had virtually none of his recruiting class pan out and, Jones never could get over the hill. But, there seems to be more hatred towards Jones on VN threads than any of the other coaches and this includes Pruitt.

Is it because more was expected of him or that we didn’t really expect more from the other coaches? I mean, Pruitt could have completely devastated the program but yet he doesn’t seem the most disliked of our coaches. Jones was like forever and three coaches ago but, again, he’s beat down still and a lot.
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Pruitt was worse than butch in all reality… butch was just so lame with he quotes. What did it for me was the practice injuries and the spring game activities
 
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I don't hate the guy, but...objectively he was/is an incompetent fool of a used car salesman with a whistle and a trashcan and has/had less in the way of coaching ability, intelligence, and interpersonal skills than an upholstery stain at the Mouse's Ear.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Seems that many threads turn into eith a Jones or Kiffin bashing thread. Don’t get me wrong; I hate CLK came in and ran half the team off and had virtually none of his recruiting class pan out and, Jones never could get over the hill. But, there seems to be more hatred towards Jones on VN threads than any of the other coaches and this includes Pruitt.

Is it because more was expected of him or that we didn’t really expect more from the other coaches? I mean, Pruitt could have completely devastated the program but yet he doesn’t seem the most disliked of our coaches. Jones was like forever and three coaches ago but, again, he’s beat down still and a lot.
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It’s bizarre. Dooley and Pruitt were both much worse. Butch gave Tennessee its best moments between Fulmer and Kiffin (beat Florida, Dobbnail Boot, Bristol, bowl wins), but many of our fans act like he was worse than them. He was much better. They’re irrational.
 
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Mainly because of his childish behavior after he got the axe. You have to be a pretty dumb person to go celebrate and takea tradition picture smoking a cigar with the biggest rival team against the kids you recruited and coached. If that doesn't tell you he isn't worthy of the big stage, then idk. Very non professional and just outright childish. Heck, he was blaming Vol fans on his newest team for negativity. So yeah. He's a man child who can't accept his failure. That's also why he'll never get another shot again for big pay.
 
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GiveHim6InSC said:
I don’t hate him. I just think he’s a pompous, self-centered non-hacker who got to the highest level of college coaching by deception and empty promises.
He is exactly where he needs to be- coaching a small school and completely uninvolved with UT.
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Following Brian Kelly at Central Michigan and Cincinnati definitely helped Butch's career. Kelly doesn't get a ton of respect around here, but he is a Top 20 coach by any measure, maybe Top10, and he really set the table for Butch at both places.

Mike DeBord deserved a lot of credit for holding things together in 15-16. He was the one guy that Butch did not push around. I think the collapse happens sooner without him steadying the offense and prepping them to execute again when the plays were breaking down, which happened every 3rd or 4th play because of the poor OLine play (for various reasons).
 
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VolPack22 said:
Probably because we beat Georgia and Florida in the same season and all we had to do was beat South Carolina and Vanderbilt to get to Atlanta. He couldn’t even do that. Even after the loss to South Carolina all we had to do was beat Vanderbilt to make the Sugar Bowl and couldn’t even do that. This was a year after we lost all of our games by a combined like 15 points or something like that. Josh Dobbs was the only reason we had winning seasons. If Josh Heupel had those teams we would have had back to back SEC Championship appearances.
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Historic collapse.
I remember the 2015 Bama game. We stood toe to toe with them and I thought we had arrived and we were getting over the hump. Jancek left in dubious circumstances and the defense looked toothless going forward.

John Majors had a couple of similar seasons. It ended them both. The only difference being John Majors was a real football coach. CBJ was more of a Tom Cruise in Magnolia type coach.
 
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One and only one reason - throwing the ball on 1st and goal from the opponent's one yard line. That turned me off from then on - period. Had four downs to punch it in and he did not trust the run game.
 
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Orangethumb said:
Was a good recruiter so the high expectations were higher. A lot of squandered talent, in game blunders, and his catch phrases and slogans got old quick. And lastly, a complete lack of self awareness while the program was self destructing.
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I'm not sure if his recruiting wasn't overblown due to having the benefit of many legacy recruits who probably were coming here regardless.
 
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“Champions of life”, “5 star hearts”, and making “championship” rings after beating Va tech at the “battle for Bristol” were all things I’d have laughed at if another coach did/said, but it was our coach, and the rest of the SEC was laughing at us. Oh and thats only a few of the cringe worthy quotes. Then he went to bama and smoked cigars, after beating his own team/players, and stayed there every year until his buyout was fully paid, sucking every penny out of Tennessee as he could. (Which doesn’t look as bad now as it did at the time bc he could only get hired by Arky state).
 
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I don't actually hate the guy. Pity him for being cognitively coagulate, but that in large part is the UT's fault. We weren't really willing to put out for a coach who SHOULD have been our HC. And we were dumb enough to do it thrice. It's true that you get what you pay for.
 
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05_never_again said:
IMO, two reasons:

1) Much of the continuing hate towards him is because of the pic with Bama players, cigar in mouth, after their 2018 and/or 2019 wins over us
2) Butch got the fanbase excited late in 2014 and 2015 and came into the 2016 season expected to win the SEC East. The incredible flop to end the 2016 season smashed people's hopes. Dooley and Pruitt, in contrast, never had the team playing well enough to do that. Having your hopes built up just for them to be smashed is probably worse than never getting them built up to begin with.

It is kind of ironic though that he seems to be the most hated given that he objectively was a better coach than Dooley and Pruitt and didn't get the program in NCAA trouble like Pruitt did.
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Actually people were hyped in Dooley's last season going into the Florida game (we were ranked) and Pruitt had some hype in 2020, especially after hanging with Georgia the first half that season and starting out 2-0 and ranked in top 20.

Butch Jones was the most successful of the bad coaches but celebrating with Alabama on beating his own team was low class and that is why most don't like him. He lost a lot of respect after that.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Actually people were hyped in Dooley's last season going into the Florida game (we were ranked) and Pruitt had some hype in 2020, especially after hanging with Georgia the first half that season and starting out 2-0 and ranked in top 20.

Butch Jones was the most successful of the bad coaches but celebrating with Alabama on beating his own team was low class and that is why most don't like him. He lost a lot of respect after that.
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There's a difference between hype and expected to win. Tennessee was actually picked by the media at SECMD in 2016 to win the East by a decent margin - Butch was the only coach who was able to actually generate that. We were clearly the best team in the East on paper that year. The most Dooley and Pruitt ever achieved was "maybe we'll be good, maybe we can surprise people," etc.

I do agree though that the bigger reason he is still hated is the pics of him smoking the cigar with Bama.
 
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I will say this, 2015 Tennessee is an interesting case study. The ball bounces differently and that team could have been in the Playoffs. They had crazy bad luck losses against Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. Had the ball bounced different on a single play in each of those games, they would have won them.
 
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Nobody cares about this guy. Its whenever his name is brought up, it triggers bc for one whenever his name is brought up on this forum, it's the same regurgitated stuff. I believe most know his overall body of work while he was here and if there are those who dont and need to be brought up to speed they can just google him. He deserves no more threads on this forum.
 
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