Why isn't everyone a Democrat?

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#51
i agree, congress has done an extremely poor job and that goes for both parties.

the truth is that America is turning into a socialist society. When the gov takes over healthcare, then that is when we'll really start seeing our quality of life go down. Our taxes will go up and we'll see rates like that of England and France.

Obama will be the next president and we'll truly see the harm of liberalism.
 
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TennNC said:
I don't know a person on the planet who would disagree with that.

But I do know that if I had a 4.0, and someone told me I could give up .2 of my GPA to get into some parties I hadn't gotten into before and get a hot girlfriend and get a starting position on the baseball team and ensure that I could keep up that 3.8 for a pretty long while, I think I might be willing to make that trade. In other words, I'd be willing to help if I thought it actually helped me.
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I pay enough in taxes like it is. Excuse me for busting my butt in school, only to give a huge chunk of my pay check to some people who are worthless. True there are some who need it, and that I don't mind as much. But the bums who sit on their butts day in and day out that are on welfare, and you see them at the grocery store buying up beer and cigs. those people i'd like to cut off completely.
 
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tim said:
All things being equal... I'll go for the guy who spent several years suffering in a prisoner of war camp and, oh yeah, the guy who is NOT going to tax the crap out of me.
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You had a neat little story about the grades and all. But could you please explain to me how under Obama's tax plan you would pay more money to the federal government in taxes. Thanks in advance.
 
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#55
IE in theory govt. run medical care will have to be paid for, right?
 
#56
#56
if obama starts taxing business and corporations his way, then you're going to see those companies start cutting back on spending, hiring and employement.

those companies will also pass the tax increase on to us by charging us more for purchases. to say that he isn't going to tax the middle class is just not true.
 
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KB5252 said:
IE in theory govt. run medical care will have to be paid for, right?
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Yes. But I assume most people that have access and time to post on VN are in the middle to middle upper class. How will what we know about Obama impact us in April every year?
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
I pay enough in taxes like it is. Excuse me for busting my butt in school, only to give a huge chunk of my pay check to some people who are worthless. True there are some who need it, and that I don't mind as much. But the bums who sit on their butts day in and day out that are on welfare, and you see them at the grocery store buying up beer and cigs. those people i'd like to cut off completely.
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Calculate what percentage of your taxes are going to "those people," and then determine how much that's worth fighting. I'll estimate that it's between 1 and 2% of what you pay in federal taxes, and that may be generous.
 
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TennNC said:
Calculate what percentage of your taxes are going to "those people," and then determine how much that's worth fighting. I'll estimate that it's between 1 and 2% of what you pay in federal taxes, and that may be generous.
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Exactly. The largest portion of your federal dollar is going overseas.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Yes. But I assume most people that have access and time to post on VN are in the middle to middle upper class. How will what we know about Obama impact us in April every year?
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The money to pay for that government run venture will be paid for by taxes. There is really no other way around it, and in order to pay for it we will see increases in our tax burden. Maybe not in the first year but it will be necessary.
 
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#62
I'm sorry but the illustration doesn't even run parallel to anything. The only way this GPA story would make sense would be for people to get paid more or less based on how hard they work. I have a feeling a coal miner in West Virginia works harder than an NBA player on a daily basis but that is just my opinion.
 
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KB5252 said:
Towards what? (just curious)
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Millitary expenses. By most accounts, at least 50 cents of every federal dollar goes to the millitary.

Now, don't get me wrong. We need a strong millitary and that requires money. But it shows that other federally funded expenses like education and welfare really take a back seat.
 
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#65
If anything the story would make more sense if the party girl carried the 4.0 and the girl busting her butt working hard had a 2.0. The girl busting her butt doesn't understand why she has to work so hard for less while the party girl is getting more for doing nothing. That is how I see it. :)
 
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615 Vol said:
The war in Iraq is pricey.
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True but so is the amount of money we put into paying for illegals or those that want to live on the government. There will be an end to the Iraq war. The only end for those lazy and uninspired individuals who we pay for unfortunately is their eventual death and sadly when they die there will be two others to replace them. In other words there is no end.
 
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KB5252 said:
The money to pay for that government run venture will be paid for by taxes. There is really no other way around it, and in order to pay for it we will see increases in our tax burden. Maybe not in the first year but it will be necessary.
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I'd like to see some re-appropriations of current program spending, fiscally minded government spending, and quite honestly a reduction in the size of government to fund health care.

I believe we are on the precipice of a health care crisis in this country. No body's fault per se, but we need someone that is willing to take action on the topic.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Millitary expenses. By most accounts, at least 50 cents of every federal dollar goes to the millitary.

Now, don't get me wrong. We need a strong millitary and that requires money. But it shows that other federally funded expenses like education and welfare really take a back seat.
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We all benefit from military spending. Only those receiving handouts benefit from them.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'd like to see some re-appropriations of current program spending, fiscally minded government spending, and quite honestly a reduction in the size of government to fund health care.

I believe we are on the precipice of a health care crisis in this country. No body's fault per se, but we need someone that is willing to take action on the topic.
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Socializing health care only serves to expand the government not reduce it. Obama's plan seems at odds with the direction you would like to take?
 
#70
#70
we may not see the affect of a tax increase every April. but we will see a tax increase on every purchase.

not only that, why would investors want to invest in a country that wants to tax the crap out of companies. anyone that understand economics that the more money people have, the more they will spend, the more money is spent, the more taxes are paid to the government. that goes from giant corporations to individuals.
 
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KB5252 said:
True but so is the amount of money we put into paying for illegals or those that want to live on the government. There will be an end to the Iraq war. The only end for those lazy and uninspired individuals who we pay for unfortunately is their eventual death and sadly when they die there will be two others to replace them. In other words there is no end.
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When? I was seeing an endodontist yesterday and took a few minutes to admire some materials he had on his wall. One frame caught my attention - he was in the Army Dental Corps and was a 2003 veteran of the Iraq War. I stood there a few minutes thinking - WOW, 2003.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
When? I was seeing an endodontist yesterday and took a few minutes to admire some materials he had on his wall. One frame caught my attention - he was in the Army Dental Corps and was a 2003 veteran of the Iraq War. I stood there a few minutes thinking - WOW, 2003.
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No one but the military minds of this country could answer that question. We will probably see significant numbers still in Iraq for at lest four or five years (by significant Say 3/4 to 2/3 of the current amount deployed.)
 
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KB5252 said:
Socializing health care only serves to expand the government not reduce it. Obama's plan seems at odds with the direction you would like to take?
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I'm proposing that federally funding a plan does not require a ramp up in federal administration.

I know, I'm dreaming.
 
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