Why Private Health Care doesn't work

#26
#26
Ed12111 said:
That's a lot of hypotheticals, and I'm not so sure they're supported by countries with public options.
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Oh, it is no doubt a slippery slope argument. It is also somewhat backed by countries with the public option. The long waits, the decreased ability to perform certain tests, the decreased ability to prescribe certain drugs.

A well read, and absolutely hilarious internal medicine doctor in droski's country makes a very similar point about the private insurance issue that first arose among physicians.

Man how the times change. His pseudonym is Oscar London. I highly recommend any of his works.
 
#27
#27
fl0at said:
Beer is also better, there. You get what you pay for, as the adage goes.

A lot of Socialists have accumulated a lot of money, property and "riches" that their peers can never dream of obtaining.

At least in a capitalist country, everyone has the same chance at being greedy. Equal opportunity and such.
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There's equal opportunity in those countries. Maybe even more so than here. Education is better to start with. That's really where it begins.
 
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#29
Op's dumb. There are arguments to be made in support of a single payer, but his is obviously flawed.
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#30
#30
VOLatile said:
There's equal opportunity in those countries. Maybe even more so than here. Education is better to start with. That's really where it begins.
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I don't know if I would agree that there is equal opportunity for greed in a socialist country as there is here. I could be persuaded to see your viewpoint, though.

Ed12111 said:
Ideally, but not in actuality.
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Drive and strive. A individual who starts with nothing has the same opportunity to be as greedy as the man who starts with everything.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that that would be the case in a country under the care of socialism. Once again, though, I could be persuaded to see the viewpoint.
 
#31
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fl0at said:
I don't know if I would agree that there is equal opportunity for greed in a socialist country as there is here. I could be persuaded to see your viewpoint, though.
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I'm not good at persuading anyone on anything, but I'll get straight to my point: I view greed as a very bad thing.
 
#32
#32
VOLatile said:
I'm not good at persuading anyone on anything, but I'll get straight to my point: I view greed as a very bad thing.
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I guess I can agree. Although viewpoints on greed differ. I would like to amass enough wealth to provide anything I or my family desires, while also increasing their availability for a solid education and improving their future and the future of their seed.

To some, that is me being greedy... as I desire those things for me and mine, without equally creating the same availability for everyone else. To others, that is just the American dream.

My personal desires are quite small, though. I want a well stocked bar, a walk in humidor and dinner on the table at 6:30. Not 5:30. Not 7:30... 6 friggen 30. And do we always have to have mashed potatoes? Can I get some french fries every now and then?
 
#33
#33
Greed can be good as an incentive, and not abused to the detriment of others.
 
#34
#34
fl0at said:
I guess I can agree. Although viewpoints on greed differ. I would like to amass enough wealth to provide anything I or my family desires, while also increasing their availability for a solid education and improving their future and the future of their seed.

To some, that is me being greedy... as I desire those things for me and mine, without equally creating the same availability for everyone else. To others, that is just the American dream.

My personal desires are quite small, though. I want a well stocked bar, a walk in humidor and dinner on the table at 6:30. Not 5:30. Not 7:30... 6 friggen 30. And do we always have to have mashed potatoes? Can I get some french fries every now and then?
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That's not greed. Greed is much more than that. It's the want of something you don't have because others don't have it. It's that giant, one-of-a-kind diamond or that limited edition Land Rover. Hard to explain and fairly relative, I guess.
 
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bam15 said:
I don't think it's applicable.

Social Democracies are tiny countries.
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Not only small but homogenous. That make a huge difference.
I will never forget the interview I saw with a guy in Sweden (I think) while he was sitting at one of those picturesque European cafes. When asked what he thought of the USA he said something along the lines of "I love the USA, we know they will protect us in a war so we can enjoy our lives."

We are so diverse now that the HC system is in shock. Various ethnic groups are more inclined to various health issues.
Live in Miami for a few years to see what I am talking about. There are so many differences between a diverse country of over 300 million and small homogenous countries with populations of under 10 million. Apples/oranges.


I can't believe we have people who think that our government should be responsible for peoples HC.
Not only would it lead to terrible quality for all but it is flat out illegal for the federal government to get involved in the HC business.
 
#37
#37
VOLatile said:
I'm not good at persuading anyone on anything, but I'll get straight to my point: I view greed as a very bad thing.
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Some people are greedy just like some are morons. It is called humanity. You can't legislate it away.
 
#38
#38
VOLatile said:
This model of universal health care, or Obamacare, won't work. It's modeled after Canada. Should be modeled after the Scandinavian countries in which it works very well.
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Obamacare is a political mish-mash that will not work well. I agree completely. The data is in - single payer systems work, and they work better than private systems.

Although Bham's statement on the size of social democracies has merit (democracy flourishes on the smaller scale) we can easily divide the US up into canons a la Switzerland.
 
#39
#39
VOLatile said:
I'm not good at persuading anyone on anything, but I'll get straight to my point: I view greed as a very bad thing.
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Yes, it is no surprise that we, living for the first time in human history where greed is regarded as a virtue, we have nearly destroyed the planet.
 
#40
#40
utgibbs said:
Yes, it is no surprise that we, living for the first time in human history where greed is regarded as a virtue, we have nearly destroyed the planet.
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That is naive...to say the least. Greed has not changed in form or function. There is nothing new under the sun.
 
#42
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utgibbs said:
Although Bham's statement on the size of social democracies has merit (democracy flourishes on the smaller scale) we can easily divide the US up into canons a la Switzerland.
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I assume you mean cantons and I agree it could be done. We could pick a nice round number to divide the US into. I propose 50 would be a good start. The word 'canton' might be confusing to some so we might want to use something different to make the transition easier. I propose the word 'state' for these hypothetical 50 territories in the US. Nah, never work
 
#45
#45
Is it not really the greed for political power that drives social programs? Government greed is much more detrimental to the collective than individual greed. Individual greed buys freedom/personal choice. Government greed takes it away.
 
#46
#46
Lexvol said:
That is naive...to say the least. Greed has not changed in form or function. There is nothing new under the sun.
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The new part is the dominant culture regards it as a virtue. This is spoken openly and unashamedly in every corridor of power.

Past cultures have always regarded it as a sin. And rightly so.
 
#47
#47
utvolpj said:
I assume you mean cantons and I agree it could be done. We could pick a nice round number to divide the US into. I propose 50 would be a good start. The word 'canton' might be confusing to some so we might want to use something different to make the transition easier. I propose the word 'state' for these hypothetical 50 territories in the US. Nah, never work
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As I said, it would be easy to divide up the country, and we have a lot of experience with it already. I was thinking more along the lines of the BCS conferences as the ideal canton size (thanks for the catch).
 
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#48
utgibbs said:
The new part is the dominant culture regards it as a virtue. This is spoken openly and unashamedly in every corridor of power.

Past cultures have always regarded it as a sin. And rightly so.
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Both statements in bold are false. Makes you look very naive.
 
#49
#49
utgibbs said:
The new part is the dominant culture regards it as a virtue. This is spoken openly and unashamedly in every corridor of power.

Past cultures have always regarded it as a sin. And rightly so.
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Dominant culture celebrates success and likes to see a motivated person achieve it. It's not a sin to want to see a guy that busts his ass through school do well in his chosen profession.
 
#50
#50
utgibbs said:
The new part is the dominant culture regards it as a virtue. This is spoken openly and unashamedly in every corridor of power.

Past cultures have always regarded it as a sin. And rightly so.
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What cultures? This is silly and false. Greed has always fueled the "corridors of power".
 
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