Why pumpers and negas will never see eye to eye

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Iam4utalways said:
How is it so funny that great things can happen in 2017? Why can't great become reality?

The past is written with the cold hard truth. The cold hard truth is the future can be just as great as the past has been tough.

I'm not ready to write off 2017 just because of 2016. I am ready to "party like it's 1999"(Jan. 4,1999).

When you start a Marathon do you think about the days you didn't run your best or do you find motivation from days when you were your best?
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I was laughing at your whole post, not writing off 2017.

What gets me through a marathon is the cause i support, not anything i do.
 
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erwinjrvol88 said:
Me after the bball loss to Vandy the other night,

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btw, I sent you a friend request on xbox, \m/
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Friend request on Xbox? Smh
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
I go both ways which can confuse people, but I try really hard to see the truth in the middle ground, and I find myself constantly trying and trying and trying and not getting anywhere. Then the emotions of the season start kicking in and then the madness that is vol fandom is thrown on top like a cherry and I snap like a rubber band. A man can only take so much before the insanity gets to him and he just has to say ENOUGH!
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For a long time I just read this site. (took a long time to figure out how to be a member) Just being able to read posts gave me an unusual perspective of how I respond to posts. I give likes to both good and negative post. Not because I agree or disagree with what is said, but because the post reflects the posters position well. This allows me to not get to "head up" over what is said. Stupid post are just that, and don't deserve a response. I just enjoy all thoughtful posting. Keep at it Vol Nation!!!
 
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dduncan4163 said:
I always find myself swinging between pumping and negaing depending on the score and amount of alcohol consumed. My emotions for TN Football are intense and volatile and I wouldn't have it any other way. I wear my orange on my sleeve.
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Well said Hoss. I'll dedicate my first PBR of the day to ya. :)
 
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PowerT83 said:
It's amazing that we have any positive fans.

Since I joined the board in 2007 we have had terrible luck.

In that time Florida and Alabama have combined to win 6 national titles and played for 8.
That right there is a kick in the nuts, but the law of averages should start to turn for us against Bama. History repeats itself in that rivalry. One team dominates for a decade then the other gets their run.

But looking at it from 2006...

2006- Florida game. SMH. We had that game if not for a ill timed roughing the passers that wiped out a Demetrice Morley pick 6

Lsu the same year they scored on the last play after converting numerous 3rd and 4th downs.

2007 we should of won the SEC but somehow they converted 4th downs and we lost to Ryan Perriloux

2008- clawfense. Enough said

2009-Kiffin and his gang of mercenaries gave us false hope.

2010-12 The Dooley years. 2010 we were able to hang tough with Oregon then a thunderstorm comes through and they get settled. Lsu we lost on the last play. Those two outcomes made me think Dooley knew what was going on until the next year.

2013-present I don't like the offense. Hell I don't care for Butch, nothing personal but as a coach. He is just too stubborn and his coach speak is nauseating.

It's easy to be negative after that run. Especially since I feel like we should of beat A&M and SC and Vandy. But 2017 is a new start with a new QB and I loved Joshua Dobbs but I hope having QBs with more accuracy will help instead of relying on the QB to run like a armored gazelle to bail out the offensive line.

I really wish the more negative fans were not on twitter attacking players and recruits with nonsense. It's creepy as hell.
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That roughing the passer in 2006 against UF was a terrible, terrible call. That was around the time they started cracking down on that stuff and all that happened was someone grazed their hand against Leak's helmet and they called that a blow to the head. Completely ridiculous.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That roughing the passer in 2006 against UF was a terrible, terrible call. That was around the time they started cracking down on that stuff and all that happened was someone grazed their hand against Leak's helmet and they called that a blow to the head. Completely ridiculous.
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Yeah. It was unbelievable. Probably the worst I've felt after a Florida game.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
I always find myself swinging between pumping and negaing depending on the score and amount of alcohol consumed. My emotions for TN Football are intense and volatile and I wouldn't have it any other way. I wear my orange on my sleeve.
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Exactly my sentiment ! We have split personalities . Constructive criticism has it's place.
 
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Pumpers and negas suffer from the same condition: they are invested too much emotionally. One is in constant despair and rage regarding the inescapable death spiral of their beloved program. One is continually optimistic and convinced of the upward trajectory of their beloved program.

The rest of us just log in to watch them fight, and occasionally post incendiary remarks when reason appears to be prevailing.
 
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volfannbama said:
I was laughing at your whole post, not writing off 2017.

What gets me through a marathon is the cause i support, not anything i do.
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That's a good answer for the marathon.

You have made your predictions and they write off the season when it comes to championships. NC, SEC Championship and SECe Champiobship.

I know all three are waiting for us to go win. Will we? "We'll see."
 
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Iam4utalways said:
That's a good answer for the marathon.

You have made your predictions and they write off the season when it comes to championships. NC, SEC Championship and SECe Champiobship.

I know all three are waiting for us to go win. Will we? "We'll see."
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The mere act of holding an opinion, does not in fact, validate that opinion.

When it comes to your views on UT football the "optimism" that you express in the majority of your posts, borders on delusion, and you immediately label any opposing pragmatic viewpoint concerning the state of the program or the 2017 season as negative.
 
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Facts don't change minds because facts are just data point that on their own mean nothing. Until the correct point of view is applied to the facts, truth cannot be discovered. Truth equals facts plus point of view, but not just any point of view, the CORRECT point of view. Just like wisdom is the correct application of knowledge so to is truth the correct understanding of facts.

Furthermore, truth is not a function of democratic practice. In other words, just because more people believe something is true does not make it actually true. Truth is truth even if not a single person believes it to be so.

To put it in the context of UT football. If you are the kind of person who's point of view is that Derek Dooley "set the bar" for your expectations of UT football all Butch Jones has to do is take a dump in a taco shell and eat it on national TV and he's "doing a good job" because anything is an improvement over Dooley. Conversely if your point of view is based on the 1990s dominance or maybe your point of view is based on what other schools have set as the example of what modern day good football looks like then your believe is that Butch is only marginally better than Dooley and still not worthy of his job.

These are both however just opinions because in this case there is no definitive and universally accepted point of view for what "good" is and therefore "truth" cannot be discerned.

The reason negas and pumpers don't agree is because they have different opinions not that one side has the "facts" and therefore the truth. It doesn't work that way.

By the way this is a message board whose entire purpose in life is to facilitate the dissemination of opinions not to discover truth.
 
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BeardedVol said:
The mere act of holding an opinion, does not in fact, validate that opinion.

When it comes to your views on UT football the "optimism" that you express in the majority of your posts, borders on delusion, and you immediately label any opposing pragmatic viewpoint concerning the state of the program or the 2017 season as negative.
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Tomatoes, potatoes.

I stand by me calling it negative when poster pick losses in February for games scheduled in the fall.

I routinely break the schedule down as either gimmie or toss ups.

I define a gimmie game when the program is typically inferior to our expected performance and a loss would be unacceptable.

As for toss up games it's referring to the programs that have a history of success year in and year out.

SEC toss ups are typically bama, Auburn, Fl, Ga,LSU, the rest are expected wins(gimmies). Even if the gimmies are having good years, I still expect the win.

I'm petty, so I never count a game as an expected loss. Even during the game until it gets out of hand(two or more onside kicks or quick turnovers are needed) I'm counting possessions and waiting for another clutch 4th qtr performance leading the Vols to victory.

I've got no issue with identifying areas of improvement from the past. There are ways to present those opportunities without bashing the team and there are ways to express them in negative and destructive ways.

Some handle disappointment better that others. I say set expectations sky high and if we don't meet them, well then just be grown up enough to handle the let down in an adult manner.

Seems some on here will "pump the breaks" so if a loss occurs the blow has been softened. I don't think it really helps. We are all sad after a loss.

Anytime there is a negative prediction about 2017, why not call it negative? Sure it's fine to say 120 had too many turnovers, it's negative to say 121 will be just as bad because CBJ is still the HC. It would be delusional to say "I expect 121 to have zero turnovers". But realistic to expect fewer just because 120 had so many. Same goes for injuries and penalties.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Tomatoes, potatoes.

I stand by me calling it negative when poster pick losses in February for games scheduled in the fall.

I routinely break the schedule down as either gimmie or toss ups.

I define a gimmie game when the program is typically inferior to our expected performance and a loss would be unacceptable.

As for toss up games it's referring to the programs that have a history of success year in and year out.

SEC toss ups are typically bama, Auburn, Fl, Ga,LSU, the rest are expected wins(gimmies). Even if the gimmies are having good years, I still expect the win.

I'm petty, so I never count a game as an expected loss. Even during the game until it gets out of hand(two or more onside kicks or quick turnovers are needed) I'm counting possessions and waiting for another clutch 4th qtr performance leading the Vols to victory.

I've got no issue with identifying areas of improvement from the past. There are ways to present those opportunities without bashing the team and there are ways to express them in negative and destructive ways.

Some handle disappointment better that others. I say set expectations sky high and if we don't meet them, well then just be grown up enough to handle the let down in an adult manner.

Seems some on here will "pump the breaks" so if a loss occurs the blow has been softened. I don't think it really helps. We are all sad after a loss.

Anytime there is a negative prediction about 2017, why not call it negative? Sure it's fine to say 120 had too many turnovers, it's negative to say 121 will be just as bad because CBJ is still the HC. It would be delusional to say "I expect 121 to have zero turnovers". But realistic to expect fewer just because 120 had so many. Same goes for injuries and penalties.
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toss-up
ˈtôs ˌəp/
nouninformal
noun: tossup
a situation in which all outcomes or options are equally possible.

Classifying every game as either an automatic win, or 50/50 could-go-either-way, is pretty much delusional. There's a mountain of tangible evidence that at the very least skews the odds in the "toss-up" games of 2017.
 
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BeardedVol said:
toss-up
ˈtôs ˌəp/
nouninformal
noun: tossup
a situation in which all outcomes or options are equally possible.

Classifying every game as either an automatic win, or 50/50 could-go-either-way, is pretty much delusional. There's a mountain of tangible evidence that at the very least skews the odds in the "toss-up" games of 2017.
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How would you call it?

Gimmie wins(delusional)
Toss ups(realistic)
Guaranteed loss(negative)
 
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Iam4utalways said:
How would you call it?

Gimmie wins(delusional)
Toss ups(realistic)
Guaranteed loss(negative)
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I wouldn't use any of those terms. None of them impart the statistical probability of the outcome of the game they are used to describe.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
That's a good answer for the marathon.

You have made your predictions and they write off the season when it comes to championships. NC, SEC Championship and SECe Champiobship.

I know all three are waiting for us to go win. Will we? "We'll see."
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Yes, because logically i dont think we win one. That doesnt mean i wont be happy if we do. Besides, i didnt write off Championships, theres the Championship of Life, the Belk Bowl Championship, the State Championshio (Vandy) the Chick Fil A Kickoff Championship. :)
 
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