Why pumpers and negas will never see eye to eye

#51
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Iam4utalways said:
Tomatoes, potatoes.

I stand by me calling it negative when poster pick losses in February for games scheduled in the fall.

I routinely break the schedule down as either gimmie or toss ups.

I define a gimmie game when the program is typically inferior to our expected performance and a loss would be unacceptable.

As for toss up games it's referring to the programs that have a history of success year in and year out.

SEC toss ups are typically bama, Auburn, Fl, Ga,LSU, the rest are expected wins(gimmies). Even if the gimmies are having good years, I still expect the win.

I'm petty, so I never count a game as an expected loss. Even during the game until it gets out of hand(two or more onside kicks or quick turnovers are needed) I'm counting possessions and waiting for another clutch 4th qtr performance leading the Vols to victory.

I've got no issue with identifying areas of improvement from the past. There are ways to present those opportunities without bashing the team and there are ways to express them in negative and destructive ways.

Some handle disappointment better that others. I say set expectations sky high and if we don't meet them, well then just be grown up enough to handle the let down in an adult manner.

Seems some on here will "pump the breaks" so if a loss occurs the blow has been softened. I don't think it really helps. We are all sad after a loss.

Anytime there is a negative prediction about 2017, why not call it negative? Sure it's fine to say 120 had too many turnovers, it's negative to say 121 will be just as bad because CBJ is still the HC. It would be delusional to say "I expect 121 to have zero turnovers". But realistic to expect fewer just because 120 had so many. Same goes for injuries and penalties.
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Go ahead and admit that you are the guy that called Eric Ainge and said he wasnt a VFL because he was picking the basketvols to lose two games the rest of the season? :)
 
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BeardedVol said:
I wouldn't use any of those terms. None of them impart the statistical probability of the outcome of the game they are used to describe.
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What? None of them?

When ESPN puts out the % of which team is expected to win and it's 46%- 55%, that would be a toss up. If it's 86% chance of win that would be the gimmie and for the 14% that would be a loss.

So what statistical probability terms would you use to describe the expected results?

Just the % and leave it at that?
 
#54
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Iam4utalways said:
What? None of them?

When ESPN puts out the % of which team is expected to win and it's 46%- 55%, that would be a toss up. If it's 86% chance of win that would be the gimmie and for the 14% that would be a loss.

So what statistical probability terms would you use to describe the expected results?

Just the % and leave it at that?
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What is CBJ track record in those games we are favored to win, or in your terms Gimme games?
 
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volfannbama said:
What is CBJ track record in those games we are favored to win, or in your terms Gimme games?
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2016 6-2
2015 6-1
2014 6-1?
2013 5-2?

Just because we are favored does not make it a gimmie. We must be heavily favored and they must be a typical inferior program.

If they are a prominent power 5 and we are only slightly favored I would count that as a toss up, unless we are talking the lower tier teams of the SEC and the same goes for the power 5 lesser teams.
 
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PowerT83 said:
Yeah. It was unbelievable. Probably the worst I've felt after a Florida game.
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2000 Florida game. It was my first Tennessee game in person. The Gaffney catch is one of the worst calls I've witnessed in college football. Sowed my hatred for Florida until this day.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
2000 Florida game. It was my first Tennessee game in person. The Gaffney catch is one of the worst calls I've witnessed in college football. Sowed my hatred for Florida until this day.
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They shouldn't have let them march down the field. I didnt see that game live, I can see how that would mess with a man on his first game there.
 
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PowerT83 said:
They shouldn't have let them march down the field. I didnt see that game live, I can see how that would mess with a man on his first game there.
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Very true, and they still had two more downs I believe to punch it in the endzone. But it created my hate for the Gators.
 
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erwinjrvol88 said:
Me after the bball loss to Vandy the other night,

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btw, I sent you a friend request on xbox, \m/
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No kidding!!
 
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There are three types of arguments. Those that argue the positive, those that argue the negative, and those that argue simple facts. Simple facts are indisputable. Often, these people get put in the "nega" bracket, but if you actually consider their argument, it's neither positive or negative.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
2016 6-2
2015 6-1
2014 6-1?
2013 5-2?

Just because we are favored does not make it a gimmie. We must be heavily favored and they must be a typical inferior program.

If they are a prominent power 5 and we are only slightly favored I would count that as a toss up, unless we are talking the lower tier teams of the SEC and the same goes for the power 5 lesser teams.
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So the way i see his history is he rarely if ever wins a game he shouldnt and always loses at least one he should. Which is why i think my predictions are realistic, not negative
 
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volfannbama said:
So the way i see his history is he rarely if ever wins a game he shouldnt and always loses at least one he should. Which is why i think my predictions are realistic, not negative
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To predict a:

Loss = negative
Toss up = realistic
Win = positive

When you predict a loss based off statistics from the past for a random game that the % of us to win is 80+%, that's being negative.

If you predict a toss up due to the % of winning being between 40-60%, that's being realistic.

When you predict a win that's being positive.

I not sure if we agree on how to define negative vs realistic, but that's how I see it.

What would you call being negative?

Taking pot shots every chance a poster gets at our team or bringing up bad things that have happened over the years(that we all know happen) and digging to find anything that is a shot at the program in a manner that appears to try to make the program look as bad as possible, that's being negative too.

If as much effort was used to find the good that is coming from our football program then at least it could be considered balanced.

Many seem to get a kick out of nit picking and dwelling on the worst that has happened and claim being realistic, I say those are working hard to be negative.

This is a game of millimeters, split seconds and luck(anytime that funny shaped ball bounces, luck is involved), don't forget human judgement(error),

Go Vols!

Win em all!
 
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Iam4utalways said:
To predict a:

Loss = negative
Toss up = realistic
Win = positive

When you predict a loss based off statistics from the past for a random game that the % of us to win is 80+%, that's being negative.

If you predict a toss up due to the % of winning being between 40-60%, that's being realistic.

When you predict a win that's being positive.

I not sure if we agree on how to define negative vs realistic, but that's how I see it.

What would you call being negative?

Taking pot shots every chance a poster gets at our team or bringing up bad things that have happened over the years(that we all know happen) and digging to find anything that is a shot at the program in a manner that appears to try to make the program look as bad as possible, that's being negative too.

If as much effort was used to find the good that is coming from our football program then at least it could be considered balanced.

Many seem to get a kick out of nit picking and dwelling on the worst that has happened and claim being realistic, I say those are working hard to be negative.

This is a game of millimeters, split seconds and luck(anytime that funny shaped ball bounces, luck is involved), don't forget human judgement(error),

Go Vols!
I
Win em all!
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While i enjoy your long explanation, i tend to stick with common sense, shortet explanation. Predicting Alabama to be a win or toss up is neither positive or realistic, its delusional. I get that maybe you dont want to admit the state of the program or whatever and there is nothing wrong with that. But it does not mean that those of us that are nearly certain that we will lose to Alabama next year are negative.
 
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volfannbama said:
While i enjoy your long explanation, i tend to stick with common sense, shortet explanation. Predicting Alabama to be a win or toss up is neither positive or realistic, its delusional. I get that maybe you dont want to admit the state of the program or whatever and there is nothing wrong with that. But it does not mean that those of us that are nearly certain that we will lose to Alabama next year are negative.
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I'll keep it short. If all you post is negative that makes you negative.
 
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BeardedVol said:
If you view everything you encounter in such black/white terms, then you must have a very difficult life.
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Not even close. By looking for the silver lining it makes life that much better, I guess, I've never tried the gloom and doom.

How's it working out for those that choose to live that way? For all I know it's even better.

I like lemonade too.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
No even close. By looking for the silver lining it makes life that much better, I guess, I've never tried the gloom and doom.

How's it working out for those that choose to live that way? For all I know it's even better.

I like lemonade too.
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Well, you're pumping sunshine right into an earlier grave so...

I guess all things considered, I'll at least have more time to critique the Vols.
 
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"The power of positive thinking" is a book everyone should read.

People that consistently think in a negative manner need to read that book every month for a year, LOL!

How a person thinks, positive or negative, is most certainly a choice.

Do some serious research on it and you'll find that for well over 100 years it's been proven and well documented that the most successful people think in a positive manner and they're also much happier.

All stats can, and usually are, spun in a manner to help a person with their own chosen agenda.

What people say and how they say it can also be construed in different manners and can be spun differently to also fit a persons agenda.

The biggest proof of that today is in our "so-called" news media which is sadly more propaganda than it is factual and accurate news reporting.

Football, and all sports, is supposed to be fun and entertainment.

Most of us here on VN take our Tennessee sports very seriously, some far too seriously, but that's because we love the U of Tennessee and we care so much and it's 1 of our top passions in life and I can't fault anyone for that.

I choose to try to find the positive things about everything in my footVol program and attempt to be mature and try to get over the things that don't go the ways I want them to go.

Sometimes that's very hard to do but I also know that beating a dead horse over and over will accomplish nothing at all and just make people mad so it isn't worth the effort to me most of the time.

I also always try to remember a decade of hell when I was praying for a 6 Win season just so we could have the badly needed 15 extra days of practice and our kids could get to go play in a Bowl game.

I'll take a 9 Win season all the time over those days but I EXPECT to WIN the SEC East 2 to 4 times a decade.

I honestly EXPECT to WIN the SEC Championship at least 1 time a decade.

Maybe what I expect is setting the bar too high but I don't think it is because I try not to overexpect so I won't be let down and my heart crushed so much anymore.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
"The power of positive thinking" is a book everyone should read.

People that consistently think in a negative manner need to read that book every month for a year, LOL!

How a person thinks, positive or negative, is most certainly a choice.

Do some serious research on it and you'll find that for well over 100 years it's been proven and well documented that the most successful people think in a positive manner and they're also much happier.

All stats can, and usually are, spun in a manner to help a person with their own chosen agenda.

What people say and how they say it can also be construed in different manners and can be spun differently to also fit a persons agenda.

The biggest proof of that today is in our "so-called" news media which is sadly more propaganda than it is factual and accurate news reporting.

Football, and all sports, is supposed to be fun and entertainment.

Most of us here on VN take our Tennessee sports very seriously, some far too seriously, but that's because we love the U of Tennessee and we care so much and it's 1 of our top passions in life and I can't fault anyone for that.

I choose to try to find the positive things about everything in my footVol program and attempt to be mature and try to get over the things that don't go the ways I want them to go.

Sometimes that's very hard to do but I also know that beating a dead horse over and over will accomplish nothing at all and just make people mad so it isn't worth the effort to me most of the time.

I also always try to remember a decade of hell when I was praying for a 6 Win season just so we could have the badly needed 15 extra days of practice and our kids could get to go play in a Bowl game.

I'll take a 9 Win season all the time over those days but I EXPECT to WIN the SEC East 2 to 4 times a decade.

I honestly EXPECT to WIN the SEC Championship at least 1 time a decade.

Maybe what I expect is setting the bar too high but I don't think it is because I try not to overexpect so I won't be let down and my heart crushed so much anymore.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Nothing positive is ever born out of negativity.

And how well Tennessee or any team for that matter does on a football field is NOT life or death.
 
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