Why slow it down????

#353
#353
bleedingTNorange said:
Because your OP is discussing 70+ points per game, which would be possessions around 69+. Now you're toning that number back to around 66 possessions a game.

Anyone with basketball knowledge will tell you that 3 more possessions a game is hardly considered us now pushing the tempo.
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We averaged 66 possessions per game when we scored 70. Another fact you are missing. That's 6 possesions more than when we didn't. Oh and we won over .800 of our games.

The difference between 65.9 and 63 is over 70 teams in the ranking. Not significant??
 
#355
#355
BruinVol said:
Again taking an average of 1 set of data is greatly effected by an outlier in the data(ole miss at 76 possessions).

That's why adding more categories makes the data less misleading.

The possesions per game data is clearly skewed unless its paired with other categories.
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How is that an outlier, there were multiple games in the 70s in that date.

Because it doesn't fit your theory you don't like it?

I just proved by the numbers we don't play any faster the second half of the season than we do the first half, sorry but no such thing as "half season Martin" or whatever it is you came up with.
 
#357
#357
bleedingTNorange said:
How is that an outlier, there were multiple games in the 70s in that date.

Because it doesn't fit your theory you don't like it?

I just proved by the numbers we don't play any faster the second half of the season than we do the first half, sorry but no such thing as "half season Martin" or whatever it is you came up with.
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It's a huge outlier. 76 was the only loss in the 70's last year. 69 was the closest to it. That's why it changes the data immensely.

Without it 60.8 was our average in losses last year
 
#358
#358
bleedingTNorange said:
No, and you've proven that with some of your data. If you shoot a higher percentage you can score more points than you would shooting a lower % with the same number of possessions.
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TOs and Offreb effect the number of shots per possesion but on average shots taken go up with possessions
 
#359
#359
Listen, I can't accept 76 as an outlier unless you show me mathematical proof that it is 2 standard deviations removed from the mean of the set of data.

I just want this argument to be as tedious as possible.
 
#360
#360
CAVol said:
Listen, I can't accept 76 as an outlier unless you show me mathematical proof that it is 2 standard deviations removed from the mean of the set of data.
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Lol. That will require me getting out my statistics book from college
 
#365
#365
Nah I love it. I love statistical analysis for basketball, it can tell you so much that's going on behind the scenes.
 
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#366
MemphisCanes said:
Nah I love it. I love statistical analysis for basketball, it can tell you so much that's going on behind the scenes.
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What's your take on how I broke down scoring, fg%, and possesions per game to prove all three go up as does our winning %???
 
#367
#367
You're too stubborn to admit you were wrong, you realize not one person agrees with what you're trying to say the numbers say, so I'm just gonna leave it at this....


All the numbers say one thing, we are at our best when we play our style we've played the last 2 years. Yes give or take 2 possessions, but in no way shape or form are 2 possessions the difference in us being a grind it out team and now all of a sudden uptempo.

We've had a few horrifcly low possession games that were ugly, that's not what Martin wants, he wants the game around 65-67 possessions, it's very clear that's the area where we are best and where we are most often.
 
#368
#368
bleedingTNorange said:
We've had a few horrifcly low possession games that were ugly, that's not what Martin wants, he wants the game around 65-67 possessions, it's very clear that's the area where we are best and where we are most often.
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Good point.

Last year we played 22 games under those numbers.

That's why we missed the dance and half season is on the hot seat.

The entire point of the thread.
 
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#369
BruinVol said:
It's a huge outlier. 76 was the only loss in the 70's last year. 69 was the closest to it. That's why it changes the data immensely.

Without it 60.8 was our average in losses last year
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I wasn't even discussing W/L, simply our pace of play in the first half of the year. We played at the same pace the first half of the year as we did the second half of the year, do you not see that?
 
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#370
BruinVol said:
What's your take on how I broke down scoring, fg%, and possesions per game to prove all three go up as does our winning %???
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You keep making this general statement as if the faster we get the better we get, that's not true. What's our record when games are above 70 possessions?
 
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#371
BruinVol said:
Good point.

Last year we played 22 games under those numbers.

That's why we missed the dance and half season is on the hot seat.

The entire point of the thread.
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No your entire point as you clearly stated was that we need to play more uptempo. That's not true, what is true is that we need to play MORE GAMES AT OUR PACE, THAN THE OPPONENTS.
 
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#373
BruinVol said:
Here's the final 2 year numbers that clearly show we need to increase the pace to increase our chances of winning.


In games where we averaged 61.2 possessions per game we went 12-13. It just so happened those were all of our games under the 130 total.


In games where we averaged 65.95 possessions per game we went 26-14. Those games just happened to be all of our games over the 130 total points mark.


Clearly we need games to be over 130pts and WE NEED MORE POSSESSIONS to get there!!
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Canes
Here's is one key set of date.
 
#374
#374
BruinVol said:
More HUGE proof that we need more pace.

Last year when scored over 70pts we were 9-2.

In those games we had just over 66 possessions per game.

We shot 49.3% from the field. WAY OVER OUR AVERAGE

In games we didn't score 70 we were 9-10.

We averaged 60.5 possessions per game in those 19games.

We also shot 40.3% in those games. WELL LESS THAN OUR AVERAGE


WE NEED MORE PACE and this is more proof!!
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Canes

Here is the other one
 
#375
#375
Can you provide the efficiency ratings for those games? I'm just curious what they are.
 
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