Why slow it down????

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CAVol said:
I'm doing it for my own fun now :)
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Lol.

Well statsheet has the numbers already, all you have to do is match it with the possessions column and then add it all up.

A bit interesting that our offense isn't as efficient when they go over 65 possessions a game isn't it?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lol.

Well statsheet has the numbers already, all you have to do is match it with the possessions column and then add it all up.

A bit interesting that our offense isn't as efficient when they go over 65 possessions a game isn't it?
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I'm doing game by game. Only through the Wichita State game. I'll post the spreadsheet once I finish. Hard to tell about the 65 possessions at this point. I'm also doing the 130 point total thing for Bruin as well.
 
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CAVol said:
I'm doing game by game. Only through the Wichita State game. I'll post the spreadsheet once I finish. Hard to tell about the 65 possessions at this point. I'm also doing the 130 point total thing for Bruin as well.
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Ahh gotcha. I'm guessing the 130 will also support offensive efficiency, I mean if we are scoring more points it typically coincides with being efficient.

However, from the data I pulled, we are most efficient at 65 possessions a game and under.
 
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I have to give u all props for arguing a point for so long but this can't be proven by any formula that u all come up with bc there are too many variables that can't be added in.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ahh gotcha. I'm guessing the 130 will also support offensive efficiency, I mean if we are scoring more points it typically coincides with being efficient.

However, from the data I pulled, we are most efficient at 65 possessions a game and under.
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Would make sense. We shall see.
 
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I happen to agree with a benjamin Disraeli quote " There are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics". They can always be manipulated.
 
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2012-13 Season Data in the workbook. It's protected so people cannot change data to fit their argument :)

Seems like we are more efficient when we are above 130 points. Which would make sense, if you score more you are most likely more efficient. However, the difference in efficiency between more than 65 and less than 65 possessions is negligible at best. Our record was 12-7 with less than 65 possessions and 7-6 with more than 65. I haven't done defensive efficiency yet but if I had to guess I would say that our defensive efficiency would be better with less than 65 possessions purely based on our record.

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So can this finally stop?

It's pretty clear that it's not indisputable one way or the other, the change in numbers are so minuscule that no person could logically try and claim that running uptempo is clearly proven to work better for us.

Obviously when you are more efficient your chances of winning go up, this works offensively and defensively, I mean you play better basketball you're more likely to win duh.

The only thing that appears pretty clear is that we are at our best when we run our system and pace, which is around 65-67 possessions a game. When we slow down too much we struggle offensively, and when we speed up too much we struggle both offensively and defensively. Our winning % is best from a purely possessions per game standpoint in the range of about 65-67.
 
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CAVol said:
2012-13 Season Data in the workbook. It's protected so people cannot change data to fit their argument :)

Seems like we are more efficient when we are above 130 points. Which would make sense, if you score more you are most likely more efficient. However, the difference in efficiency between more than 65 and less than 65 possessions is negligible at best. Our record was 12-7 with less than 65 possessions and 7-6 with more than 65. I haven't done defensive efficiency yet but if I had to guess I would say that our defensive efficiency would be better with less than 65 possessions purely based on our record.

:hi:
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What, no charts?

j/k


The efficiency analysis is interesting. There's no way that I would know of to pull the data, but I would like to see a running average of offensive and defensive efficiency in game. I've had the feeling that our defensive efficiency tends to drop when our offensive efficiency increases, but I would like to see how the numbers play out.
 
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jjay2518 said:
What, no charts?

j/k


The efficiency analysis is interesting. There's no way that I would know of to pull the data, but I would like to see a running average of offensive and defensive efficiency in game. I've had the feeling that our defensive efficiency tends to drop when our offensive efficiency increases.
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I'd say that's pretty likely, which is why we don't fair too well typically in higher possession games. Neither our offense or defense are most efficient in high possession game (70+).
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'd say that's pretty likely, which is why we don't fair too well typically in higher possession games. Neither our offense or defense are most efficient in high possession game (70+).
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I can see that. I don't watch a huge amount of other college bball. Would you say that's something specific to how UT operates, or is it just kind of the way things work everywhere?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'd say that's pretty likely, which is why we don't fair too well typically in higher possession games. Neither our offense or defense are most efficient in high possession game (70+).
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Fg% allowed certainly goes up with our increased scoring.


IMO its addition by subtraction result.

In other words our offense improves more that our defense regresses.

That's one of my points here. It isn't always about defense first
 
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BruinVol said:
Fg% allowed certainly goes up with our increased scoring.


IMO its addition by subtraction result.

In other words our offense improves more that our defense regresses.

That's one of my points here. It isn't always about defense first
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Well the efficiency stats have shown otherwise. Our offense is best at 65 possessions a game and UNDER, not over.
 
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I have the spreadsheet set up. I'll start doing an Offense and Defense Efficiency thread after every game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well the efficiency stats have shown otherwise. Our offense is best at 65 possessions a game and UNDER, not over.
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I think we have argued that one enough


I am saying that IMO our defensive efficiency gets worse while our offensive efficiency gets better.

I am also saying the improvement on offense is greater than the loss of defense.

I would like to see those numbers but at least fg% supports that notion but again one singular category of data can be misleading. So the FG% numbers I have provided might be misleading
 
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BruinVol said:
I think we have argued that one enough


I am saying that IMO our defensive efficiency gets worse while our offensive efficiency gets better.

I am also saying the improvement on offense is greater than the loss of defense.

I would like to see those numbers but at least fg% supports that notion but again one singular category of data can be misleading. So the FG% numbers I have provided might be misleading
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How can you say that when the numbers have been posted saying our offensive efficiency is at it's best when we are at 65 possessions and under, NOT OVER.

The offense doesn't get better when we push the ball into the 70 possession range, both our offensive efficiency AND defensive efficiency get bad, which is why our record is so bad when games get above 70 possessions.
 
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CAVol said:
I have the spreadsheet set up. I'll start doing an Offense and Defense Efficiency thread after every game.
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Looking forward to it.

I know you are running the 130 games but if it isn't too much trouble please run the 11 games we scored over 70 last year.

I would love to see where our defensive efficiency was in those games compared to our offense
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How can you say that when the numbers have been posted saying our offensive efficiency is at it's best when we are at 65 possessions and under, NOT OVER.

The offense doesn't get better when we push the ball into the 70 possession range, both our offensive efficiency AND defensive efficiency get bad, which is why our record is so bad when games get above 70 possessions.
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Holy cow bto, where the hell did I say anything about possessions in that post???


Read that darn post before you fire off the same arguement that's going to get the same response about skewed singular category statistics
 
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BruinVol said:
Holy cow bto, where the hell did I say anything about possessions in that post???


Read that darn post before you fire off the same arguement that's going to get the same response about skewed singular category statistics
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Was your original post not predicated around pushing the tempo? AKA more possessions...
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Was your original post not predicated around pushing the tempo? AKA more possessions...
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Sure but not the post you were referring to.

Look bto you are hanging your hat on one singular stat that has been proven to be skewed.

Would you think a person could make an argument that our secondary in football is one of top 25 caliber????

With your method here you would argue just that because they are 21st in the country in passing yards given up.

I have provided very solid stats involing, possessions, FG%, our scoring, as well as overall total score that proves pace matters

You are going to need more data than one skewed category when the other side of this argument has provided much more evidence.
 
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BruinVol said:
Looking forward to it.

I know you are running the 130 games but if it isn't too much trouble please run the 11 games we scored over 70 last year.

I would love to see where our defensive efficiency was in those games compared to our offense
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Gotta coach tonight, when I get home I will.
 
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BruinVol said:
Looking forward to it.

I know you are running the 130 games but if it isn't too much trouble please run the 11 games we scored over 70 last year.

I would love to see where our defensive efficiency was in those games compared to our offense
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How is defensive efficiency figured, same as offensive?
 
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