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[steino]

With coaching turnover good assistants lose there spots all the time because the new DC wants his people in there. Says very little about Martinez as a coach. If he was so "suspect" he would not continue to get jobs for major BCS AQ teams

How'd he do with the KU and Illinois job offers?

 

[vol2013]

Curious how you come to this statement? Assumption? Personal opinion? I looked at Rivals class rankings for the last four years and we have averaged the 15th best class in the country over those 4 years. Is Rivals rankings a bunch of BS? That's a serious question btw. I'm not bashing the coaching staff, just sick of hearing the lack of talent excuse. I don't buy that excuse anymore.

Rivals rankings are not a bunch of BS, generally good recruiting classes lead to good performance on the field. Despite what some try to say facts indicate that stars do matter. However stars are only part of the equation. Sure we've averaged the 15th best class in the country, but we have had a lot of attrition and our players have not been coached up very well under the previous regime while players in recruiting classes that rank behind us have. You can't expect CBJ to coach up the players to such a degree in one year that he catches up to what other coaches have had years to do with their players. I'm not happy with some of the coaching decisions so far this season, but am choosing to bite my tongue for the first couple of years because I realize lack of talent is a legitimate excuse and that tends to magnify every little coaching mistake.

 

[tnvols72]

You easily say his offense is pathetic, yet he can't even get his offense to run the most basic plays. Guess you want to open up the playbook with a QB who couldn't hit the ocean standing in the ocean and another who turns the ball over every drive? Yeah let's bring out the big guns. Geesh.

Calling the 2 coaches from Georgia rejects shows how illiterate you are about football outside of UT.

talking about illiterate , you actually think the 2 rejects from UGA are good coaches. Just think we have the same 4 QBs fighting for the job to throw the ball in the ocean next year.

 

[tnvols106]

Because most of our fans have no grasp on how depleted our talent pool is. We are very close to last in the SEC.

That is just not true, not even close to AL, but nowhere near the bottom. Until Butch Jones gets his players in that he wants, he has to get the most out of the players that he has. That is what a good coach does.

 

[tnvols72]

With coaching turnover good assistants lose there spots all the time because the new DC wants his people in there. Says very little about Martinez as a coach. If he was so "suspect" he would not continue to get jobs for major BCS AQ teams

getting a job and keeping it is 2 different things

 

[steino]

See Johnny Chavis. The man is very highly regarded among his peers. :yes: He has two NC rings.

He made a lateral move, a good one at that, not a demotion.

 

[vol2013]

That is just not true, not even close to AL, but nowhere near the bottom. Until Butch Jones gets his players in that he wants, he has to get the most out of the players that he has. That is what a good coach does.

Not to dispute this, because I tend to want to see a coach mold his offense to the players he has available rather than force a system on players it doesn't fit. However, Brian Kelly did just that with Notre Dame for 2 years and then when he finally had the players for his system in year 3 they went 12-1 and nobody cared any longer about him forcing his system the first 2 years.

 

[Other_Guy]

He was canned as a DBs coach at OU and AU after being fired at UGA. Suspect track record at best.

Might wanna get your facts straight, dude. He left Auburn for us after 1 year. At Oklahoma, Stoops wanted his younger brother back and had to fire someone to make room. Like the other poster said, how do you get hired by Georgia, Oklahoma and Auburn if you suck?

As far as Jancek goes he is suspect as a DC, but he was "promoted" as co-DC because of his body of work. I guess that makes Mark Rict a really dumb coach then because he has crappy assistants?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Love him or hate em Saban is THE coach to beat in the SEC......so every school and coach gets the comparison. Check any other fan board you'll see the same.

 

[Other_Guy]

Not to dispute this, because I tend to want to see a coach mold his offense to the players he has available rather than force a system on players it doesn't fit. However, Brian Kelly did just that with Notre Dame for 2 years and then when he finally had the players for his system in year 3 they went 12-1 and nobody cared any longer about him forcing his system the first 2 years.

Exactly, is Butch going to change for 2 years and then when new freshmen get there they basically have to learn a new system no one knows about? It would be never ending.

 

[fade route]

No, I just want logical in game decisions made. I am not currently seeing it.

Easy to argue in hindsight that he kept Peterman in too long. If Peterman had come out in the 2nd quarter and played like an all-american, we'd all be praising Butch for not giving up on him.

 

[Insunseri]

First of all I'm not against coach jones any coach would be hard pressed to get max effort out of 30% of the current roster. But why is it every time someone goes to defend him the compare him to saban CBJ is not Nic saban, hell I've even seen one post comparing his programs to harbaughs at Stanford. I think CBJ is getting baptism by fire in the SEC and whether some think the early critisim is crazy or premature we have to remember he's making 3 mil a year to be in that situation.

didn't you know? saban went 6-6 his first season. :crazy:

 

[Insunseri]

Am I the only one who thinks this smiley is a little offensive? --> :crazy:

 

[steino]

Might wanna get your facts straight, dude. He left Auburn for us after 1 year. At Oklahoma, Stoops wanted his younger brother back and had to fire someone to make room. Like the other poster said, how do you get hired by Georgia, Oklahoma and Auburn if you suck?

As far as Jancek goes he is suspect as a DC, but he was "promoted" as co-DC because of his body of work. I guess that makes Mark Rict a really dumb coach then because he has crappy assistants?

You can use semantics all day long. He was fired by UGA not retained by either OU or AU. He also was passed over for the DC positions at KU and Illinois. Go take a look at his stats with UGA, OU and AU and tell me you think he is a quality DB coach.

 

[GrowVol]

I'm Full Butch, but at the same time, coaches are measured by results. So if fans question some of his decisions, it doesnt mean fans are against Butch, it just means that fans are just that...fans either happy with results or disappointed with results. Go Vols! Go Butch!

 

[vol2013]

You can use semantics all day long. He was fired by UGA not retained by either OU or AU. He also was passed over for the DC positions at KU and Illinois. Go take a look at his stats with UGA, OU and AU and tell me you think he is a quality DB coach.

What Illinois and KU decided with him as a defensive coordinator is absolutely irrelevant in this discussion seeing as we hired him as a DB coach and not a DC. Just because he is not a good defensive coordinator doesn't mean that he is not a good DB coach, just like there are plenty of good coordinators that make bad head coaches. Also assistant coaches have a high turnover rate that is just a fact, but the good ones continue to get jobs at BCS AQ programs (Sam Pittman being one example) while the not so good ones fade into much lower programs.

 

[beneVOLence]

If Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, or Kelly was in his first year here and had this team our record would still be 2-2. This team short of having the Lord himself coach them could not beat Oregon. I think we "could" have won yesterday, but there is obviously a reason that we were 16 point dogs in that game. Oregon we were what 29?

Let CBJ get his recruits in and lets see what happens. Did anyone honestly think we would win at Oregon or Fla?

Anyone who can't see a difference in a CBJ team and Dooleys are obviously watching a different team than I am.

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!!

I can see all 3 of those coaches probably winning that game yesterday, but I'm not giving up on CBJ just yet. My first sentence concerns me though.

 

[steino]

What Illinois and KU decided with him as a defensive coordinator is absolutely irrelevant in this discussion seeing as we hired him as a DB coach and not a DC. Just because he is not a good defensive coordinator doesn't mean that he is not a good DB coach, just like there are plenty of good coordinators that make bad head coaches. Also assistant coaches have a high turnover rate that is just a fact, but the good ones continue to get jobs at BCS AQ programs (Sam Pittman being one example) while the not so good ones fade into much lower programs.

Martinez is a lights out recruiter, plain and simple. That's why he keeps resurfacing. Butch needed him to jump start this program with talent.

I don't disagree with the hire. But he is not a good position coach based on his history.

 

[govols105]

we should be going old school smash mouth with play action, not the bear cat hurry up and punt.

 

[jimallvol]

BUTCH is the best thing to happen to our program in a long time. Be patient vol nation he will get it done. GO VOLS!

 

[VolFootballlover]

It sure would help us reach Our Goal with better Coaches underneath Jones. I have not been happy with "The Best Staff In America "

 

[JAEvans24]

No way we are on the bottom. More excuses for a poor performance. We have more talent than KY, Vandy, Missou, MSU, AU, probably Ole Miss as well and USCe.

That is just not true, not even close to AL, but nowhere near the bottom. Until Butch Jones gets his players in that he wants, he has to get the most out of the players that he has. That is what a good coach does.

Curious how you come to this statement? Assumption? Personal opinion? I looked at Rivals class rankings for the last four years and we have averaged the 15th best class in the country over those 4 years. Is Rivals rankings a bunch of BS? That's a serious question btw. I'm not bashing the coaching staff, just sick of hearing the lack of talent excuse. I don't buy that excuse anymore.

I don't see how my statement is even remotely disputed. Let's take a look at teams that no question have much more talent and depth than the Vols.

1. Alabama
2. TAMU
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Florida
6. USCe
7. Auburn
8. Ole Miss
9. Miss State

I would surmise that Vandy is even deeper than us.

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Mizzou is close to our talent level but they have a very competent QB in James Franklin, at the most important position on the field.

The only team we have a talent advantage on is Kentucky.

With that said, I still expect to beat Vandy, Mizzou, and Kentucky. If we beat Auburn as well then Jones has had a very good year one.

As for our Rivals rankings: We have had some decent finishes in recruiting, but due to attrition we are very low again. It's not an excuse. Every commentator that studies our team alludes to the fact again and again. CBJ in his presses with Oregon alluded to it.

We have no rotation at defensive line and a slower secondary, per SEC standards. We have serviceable running backs and a very young WR core with a very real problem at the quarterback position. Our offensive line is the only experienced group (whom we possibly lose all next year).
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Lastly, I'm not making excuses for Butch. I'm as pissed, if not more so, than all of you concerning UT football.

He has made mistakes but he's also done very good things as well. If we beat Vandy, KY, and Mizzou or Auburn than we have a .500 season (assuming we beat S. Alabama and have no upsets over Bama, GA, or USCe). That would be impressive considering our team.

We lost to possibly the fastest offense in the history of college football and to a top 5 defense this year. I don't get the outcry and whining. If you want see a miracle, then all I can say is pray harder.

 

[VolFootballlover]

BUTCH is the best thing to happen to our program in a long time. Be patient vol nation he will get it done. GO VOLS!

I'm sorry but If his name was Larry many on here wouldn't be singing his praises. He has Done Nothing Here to prove he will ever be able to compete in the SEC . He claims to be a Champion every where he's been . This is big Boy Ball the same 3 plays will not work here we have defensive coaches making Millions to shut that cheap stuff Down!
We run a Offense we shouldn't be. We don't even have a Proven QB coach. Butch could have helped his stay here with a better staff! First Mistake was Letting Pitman go!

 

[VolFootballlover]

It's sad that most of the guys calling us Nega Vols and Bashing us was singing the Dooley praises this time last season. All we would like to see is improvement! When a Team Like Florida try's to give You 21 Points at least get 10 of them!

 

[JAEvans24]

I'm sorry but If his name was Larry many on here wouldn't be singing his praises. He has Done Nothing Here to prove he will ever be able to compete in the SEC . He claims to be a Champion every where he's been . This is big Boy Ball the same 3 plays will not work here we have defensive coaches making Millions to shut that cheap stuff Down!
We run a Offense we shouldn't be. We don't even have a Proven QB coach. Butch could have helped his stay here with a better staff! First Mistake was Letting Pitman go!

Such a dumb post. He has a top 3 recruiting class following a 5 win season and has only coached 4 games. He's won the two he was suppose to win and lost two he was suppose to lose. The talent disparity was so vast that you must not understand football.

I truly can't tell if you are delusional or trolling.