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#51
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JAEvans24 said:
Such a dumb post. He has a top 3 recruiting class following a 5 win season and has only coached 4 games. He's won the two he was suppose to win and lost two he was suppose to lose. The talent disparity was so vast that you must not understand football.

I truly can't tell if you are delusional or trolling.
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I'll kiss your ass and give you 30 minutes to gather a crowd If he has a top 3 recruiting Class! ( You better wait till signing day) It is amazing you have crowned him King and he hasn't won **** here, turn the tables around and Worley has won the game he was suppose too, but you would scream for his head! You want to talk trolling and dumb post...Make the coaches take a little credit for our Poor Play instead of always defending their every fart! ( Blows me away we pay millions to a coach and yet get bashed if we hold them the slightest bit accountable for the teams play)
 
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VolFootballlover said:
I'll kiss your ass and give you 30 minutes to gather a crowd If he has a top 3 recruiting Class! ( You better wait till signing day) It is amazing you have crowned him King and he hasn't won **** here, turn the tables around and Worley has won the game he was suppose too, but you would scream for his head!
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This is hopeless. I feel like I'm talking to a potato. I haven't crowned him anything. He's coached four freaking games. Unless you have been cryogenically frozen for the past seven years, then you should know we aren't very good right now.

Give the man some time to get players. He is 2 and freaking 2. Bear Bryant would have the same record at this juncture in his fledgling career at Tennessee. Your expectations were so unreasonably high, it would take nothing short of a 1980, Herb Brooks performance to satiate your ignorance.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Who in the heck has ever compared anyone to Saban??? You sure about that?
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jasonvol18 said:
Exactly. Hell look at Saban's first yr at Ala. He went 7-6 and lost to La Monroe, just takes time to get guys to buy in, gain their trust and figure out who wants to be there and who doesnt and also getting you're own guys in there. Our future under Jones has unlinited potential!
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Even with Dooley this stuff went on
 
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JAEvans24 said:
This is hopeless. I feel like I'm talking to a potato. I haven't crowned him anything. He's coached four freaking games. Unless you have been cryogenically frozen for the past seven years, then you should know we aren't very good right now.

Give the man some time to get players. He is 2 and freaking 2. Bear Bryant would have the same record at this juncture in his fledgling career at Tennessee. Your expectations were so unreasonably high, it would take nothing short of a 1980, Herb Brooks performance to satiate your ignorance.
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Look here Drama Moma You run around bashing every post that doesn't agree with Yours! But when you get on here smacking your meet blowers understand this! Not EveryOne Is Sold We Got The Best Coach We could Have! He has done some great Things ! We need Improvement from Our Schemes and Those responsible for the Schemes! Like it or not Dorthy , it is what it is!
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Look here Drama Moma You run around bashing every post that doesn't agree with Yours! But when you get on here smacking your meet blowers understand this! Not EveryOne Is Sold We Got The Best Coach We could Have! He has done some great Things ! We need Improvement from Our Schemes and Those responsible for the Schemes! Like it or not Dorthy , it is what it is!
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Capitalization, spelling, and grammar of your post is on cue with a five year old
 
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JAEvans24 said:
Because most of our fans have no grasp on how depleted our talent pool is. We are very close to last in the SEC.
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Just keep making excuses. Your response does not come close to answering anything in the OP... but it seems to be all some of you can think of.

Many of us are NOT anti-Jones or whatever other accusation you want to throw out. I want him to succeed as badly as you do. We simply do not see the level of coaching in the last two games that it will take to get UT back to the top.

The roster is far from ideal... but far from "depleted" too. Very close to last?... guess that depends on what you mean by "very close". UT's TALENT is better than Arkansas, Vandy, UK, MSU, and Mizzou at a minimum. USCe has more roster problems than most acknowledge.

The roster for the next two years due to youth and continuing depth issues will not likely be better than this one. You can delude yourself if you like. But if Jones has won only 5 to 7 games in his first 3 years then it will be very tough for him to hang on to the job for a year 4.
 
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orangeluvr said:
See Johnny Chavis. The man is very highly regarded among his peers. :yes: He has two NC rings.
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Bringing up Chavis around here can be dangerous. Cue - 1, 2, 3...

"3rd and Chavis" (a stupid "fan" mocking of a winning DC)
 
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JAEvans24 said:
I don't see how my statement is even remotely disputed. Let's take a look at teams that no question have much more talent and depth than the Vols.

1. Alabama
2. TAMU
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Florida
6. USCe
7. Auburn
8. Ole Miss
9. Miss State

I would surmise that Vandy is even deeper than us.

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Mizzou is close to our talent level but they have a very competent QB in James Franklin, at the most important position on the field.

The only team we have a talent advantage on is Kentucky.

With that said, I still expect to beat Vandy, Mizzou, and Kentucky. If we beat Auburn as well then Jones has had a very good year one.

As for our Rivals rankings: We have had some decent finishes in recruiting, but due to attrition we are very low again. It's not an excuse. Every commentator that studies our team alludes to the fact again and again. CBJ in his presses with Oregon alluded to it.

We have no rotation at defensive line and a slower secondary, per SEC standards. We have serviceable running backs and a very young WR core with a very real problem at the quarterback position. Our offensive line is the only experienced group (whom we possibly lose all next year).
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Lastly, I'm not making excuses for Butch. I'm as pissed, if not more so, than all of you concerning UT football.

He has made mistakes but he's also done very good things as well. If we beat Vandy, KY, and Mizzou or Auburn than we have a .500 season (assuming we beat S. Alabama and have no upsets over Bama, GA, or USCe). That would be impressive considering our team.

We lost to possibly the fastest offense in the history of college football and to a top 5 defense this year. I don't get the outcry and whining. If you want see a miracle, then all I can say is pray harder.
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This is about as ridiculous as it gets. Mizzou isn't ballpark close. They're much closer to UK than UT. It took a special kind of incompetence for UT to lose to them last year. MSU is NOT more talented. Ole Miss is close. USCe has as many depth problems as UT does. Vandy is deep with Vandy players.
 
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You want to talk nega Vols, you bunch of panty wearing flurps bash every kid on the team at RB,QB,WR etc. But the first Minute anyone mentions a coaches name you let your man crush take over . We are allowed to blame the players but never hold coaches responsible?
 
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JAEvans24 said:
Such a dumb post. He has a top 3 recruiting class following a 5 win season and has only coached 4 games. He's won the two he was suppose to win and lost two he was suppose to lose. The talent disparity was so vast that you must not understand football.

I truly can't tell if you are delusional or trolling.
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If you think that game wasn't win able yesterday, you have no Idea what Delusional is.
 
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sjt18 said:
Just keep making excuses. Your response does not come close to answering anything in the OP... but it seems to be all some of you can think of.

Many of us are NOT anti-Jones or whatever other accusation you want to throw out. I want him to succeed as badly as you do. We simply do not see the level of coaching in the last two games that it will take to get UT back to the top.

The roster is far from ideal... but far from "depleted" too. Very close to last?... guess that depends on what you mean by "very close". UT's TALENT is better than Arkansas, Vandy, UK, MSU, and Mizzou at a minimum. USCe has more roster problems than most acknowledge.

The roster for the next two years due to youth and continuing depth issues will not likely be better than this one. You can delude yourself if you like. But if Jones has won only 5 to 7 games in his first 3 years then it will be very tough for him to hang on to the job for a year 4.
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Bro, I've been following the board and generally agree with you and find you to be a solid poster. I'm not sure if you read the post where I explained my original.

I'm not a CBJ fan, but a Vol fan. I think USCe has problems but still much better than ours right now. That doesn't mean we can't beat those teams. I'm not deluding myself, but I'm giving him more than 4 games to prove himself as a coach.

Our program is pretty poor right now and I think he's done well enough considering the mans only coached four games. I only feel the need to defend him because of the vitriol of a few, loud ignorant posters who make a new thread every time they feel like sounding off.
 
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fade route said:
Easy to argue in hindsight that he kept Peterman in too long. If Peterman had come out in the 2nd quarter and played like an all-american, we'd all be praising Butch for not giving up on him.
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If you did not see that Peterman was lost as last year's Easter Egg after the second turnover, and if you didn't recognize the opportunity lost in hoping Peterman transformed from doe-in-the-headlights to Peyton Manning by the 2nd quarter in his first start on the road in the SEC...

then there is no helping you.
 
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JAEvans24 said:
Because most of our fans have no grasp on how depleted our talent pool is. We are very close to last in the SEC.
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So by your logic Dooley didn't get a fair shot, if the talent pool is really that depleted after 4 straight top 25 classes then things were really bad when Dooley got here he went 6-6 his first year so we should expect nothing less than that? I like CBJ but some of you are reaching big time to defend him and there is no need he isn't going anywhere this year unless he finish 2-10 then things may get ugly
 
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tnvols106 said:
If you think that game wasn't win able yesterday, you have no Idea what Delusional is.
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I think the game was winnable for sure. He rolled the dice with Peterman and it backfired. I know hindsight is 20/20, but I don't claim him to be perfect.

But who is to say Worley would have played so much better (granted it really couldn't have gotten much worse). When Worley came in, they had two cornerbacks out (injury and ejection)' which helped on that blown coverage, but him starting Peterman surely isn't your breaking point on whether or not CBJ is a good coach.

Against Oregon, Worley looked bad on throws where they were in the dirt. He felt Peterman had a good week of practice and wanted to see what he could do. Unfortunately for all of us, it wasn't a great coming out for the young man from Fruit Cove, FL.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So by your logic Dooley didn't get a fair shot, if the talent pool is really that depleted after 4 straight top 25 classes then things were really bad when Dooley got here he went 6-6 his first year so we should expect nothing less than that? I like CBJ but some of you are reaching big time to defend him and there is no need he isn't going anywhere this year unless he finish 2-10 then things may get ugly
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Dooley lost to Kentucky.
 
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steino said:
You can use semantics all day long. He was fired by UGA not retained by either OU or AU. He also was passed over for the DC positions at KU and Illinois. Go take a look at his stats with UGA, OU and AU and tell me you think he is a quality DB coach.
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I guess Richt was out of his mind for promoting him then? You keep saying "retained" by AU but am I wrong in saying he was there 1 year and Jones called? I never said he was an awesome DB coach but calling him a reject is ridiculous.

And who cares if he wasn't wanted as a DC?
 
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JAEvans24 I'm sorry ! You are trying to be Big Dog here and It will not work. Not sure you are even under the porch yet. We all have opinions and not always will they be the same as yours!
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So by your logic Dooley didn't get a fair shot, if the talent pool is really that depleted after 4 straight top 25 classes then things were really bad when Dooley got here he went 6-6 his first year so we should expect nothing less than that? I like CBJ but some of you are reaching big time to defend him and there is no need he isn't going anywhere this year unless he finish 2-10 then things may get ugly
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No, Dooley had 3 years to upgrade the talent from when he started and he upgraded it only marginally if at all. Now it is CBJ turn to try and upgrade the talent level. I couldn't care less about the recruiting class rankings for the last three years, I care about the level of talent we seen on the field on Saturdays which is obviously fairly low. While recruiting class rankings are obviously part of the story after a kid has been in college for multiple years they don't tell the whole story.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
I'm sorry but If his name was Larry many on here wouldn't be singing his praises. He has Done Nothing Here to prove he will ever be able to compete in the SEC . He claims to be a Champion every where he's been . This is big Boy Ball the same 3 plays will not work here we have defensive coaches making Millions to shut that cheap stuff Down!
We run a Offense we shouldn't be. We don't even have a Proven QB coach. Butch could have helped his stay here with a better staff! First Mistake was Letting Pitman go!
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Has done nothing? It's been 4 games. Don't be dumb.

If the offense can't run 3 plays how the HECK do you expect them to do anything else right? The defense wasn't shutting them down due to predictability. The QBs couldn't complete a pass, the WRs couldn't complete a pass, the backs were running INTO defenders. What the heck do you expect? HOLD THE JUDGEMENT.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
JAEvans24 I'm sorry ! You are trying to be Big Dog here and It will not work. Not sure you are even under the porch yet. We all have opinions and not always will they be the same as yours!
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Bro, we are both Vol fans here who want the same thing. I wasn't trying to be anything. I made a post opinion g on my perceived lack of talent and depth here at Tennessee.

I am not a CBJ fanboy and will admit that he made a mistake looking back. I am just taking a wait-and-see approach before I call him out as being woefully inept.

I believe every game we play will be winnable-upsets happen. The difference between more talented teams is their window for mistakes are much higher because they can make it up. This year, Tennessee is going to have to play some perfect football to win some of the games on our schedule.

Every week I go to Neyland I am hoping and believing we will win, but I temper that with the truth of where we are right now as a program.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So by your logic Dooley didn't get a fair shot, if the talent pool is really that depleted after 4 straight top 25 classes then things were really bad when Dooley got here he went 6-6 his first year so we should expect nothing less than that? I like CBJ but some of you are reaching big time to defend him and there is no need he isn't going anywhere this year unless he finish 2-10 then things may get ugly
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Dooley had his chances but he never got the win to show he was moving this in the right direction that's why he's gone. As far as the Rivals rankings and all the BS I see spouted here about "Well the Rivals rankings the last 5 years say we should be better" Well we simply are NOT as talented. How much attrition have we seen from Kiffin's class? Like 2 guys left? Dooley did ok in terms of recruiting but he struck out especially in DB recruiting and on the O-line. I'm not saying we give CBJ passes for that but unfortunately this roster situation is what it is. Yes, we can blame Hamilton and Cheek but the hits that we have suffered in recruiting are still a thing that we are paying for overall. CBJ is going to need time.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Has done nothing? It's been 4 games. Don't be dumb.

If the offense can't run 3 plays how the HECK do you expect them to do anything else right? The defense wasn't shutting them down due to predictability. The QBs couldn't complete a pass, the WRs couldn't complete a pass, the backs were running INTO defenders. What the heck do you expect? HOLD THE JUDGEMENT.
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Not being dumb I do however Understand he has done nothing to have a street named after him. Did we make them run east and west in the backfield and run a read option with a pro style qb ? Then I wonder who we are allowed to blame?
 
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