Will Butch Jones be a better coach this year?

[66volfan]

In year one he didn't. DD actually faced better Oregon and Bama teams plus LSU. UT NEVER plays an easy schedule. If anything, it troubles me that Jones pointed to the schedule difficulty as a reason/excuse. It may get slightly less difficult but he'll never see anything like the weak SOS he had at Cincy.

The final product is what we have to be concerned about but Jones did NOT do better on the field in year one than Dooley or Kiffin. He appears to have done better than either in recruiting. Hopefully he has done much better in off-season development as well.

Oregon finished better in 10 but not Bama. SC finished 22 in 2010 and beat Dooley. They finished 4 last year and you know the result of that game. Even Vandy finished in top 25 last year. This is like a political debate, we can spout facts to support our view but will not agree in the end. You stick to being cautious, I'm going to fix me another glass of Kool-Aid.

 

[orange parmejohn]

There are way too many variables in college football to compare coaches in different years, with different players, and different schedules. We can barely compare this year to last year, with the same coaches.

 

[IdahoVol]

I hope so. Its all I can ask for.

 

[Hamptonvolfan]

Will CBJ do better in 2014? Who knows but a review of 2013 season is in order and the posts in this thread. In 2013 the OL did not play with any intensity. The DL had no pass rush and could not set the edge and the secondary was slow partially due to athletic ability and also due to indecision caused by inexperience. The offense had no tight ends who could catch due to injury and ability in some cases: a big handicap in the Jones offense. All four quarterbacks were injured at some point in the season. Maggitt did not play and AJ was over taxed responsibilty wise. Wide receiver corp was inexperienced and undermanned. plus North was unavailable in a key game we lost. Oregon speed totally killed us as did other teams. With all these minuses we still won five games, lost two games by two critical plays and managed to upset USC. Bright spot in 2013 was Palardy. The biggest plus in 2013 over 2012 was the teams did not quit on the coach. Now for 2014 , looking at the O&W game the play offensively was much crisper. The quarter backs were much improved and Hurd and Malone demonstrated they can contibute. In 2014 the coaches being able to have off season contact with the players in skull sessions (that's what they were called in my day) plays to UT's advantage with its young team versus an older team that knows the system. With all the EE's you have to think of them as red shirt versus true freshmen. In my opinion the 2014 season will show a much improved team on both sides of the ball. Will it result it more wins? I think at least 6 wins. Does that make Jones an improved coach? A coach like a General looks at his strengths and weakness versus his opposition and tailors his tactics to capitalize upon his advantages and exploit his opponent's weak points. Can the OC and DC do this ? I don't know, I believe the offense can but not sure of defense. Special teams last year did not shine on coverage, although Palardy was a star. This year Darr in the spring has shown some leg and good hang time. Will freshman Medley be as good as advertised; we don't know but we hope so. The coverage teams with an upgrade in talent should be better. Bottom line - Jones as the CEO is responsible for all the 2014 improvements which makes him a better coach in 2014 vis a vis 2013.

 

[deaconkane]

Sjt18, I also remember when we used to beat teams up so bad that even if they won, they physically and mentally were demolished the rest of the season. I can't wait to see that again.

 

[Boca Vol]

Oregon finished better in 10 but not Bama. SC finished 22 in 2010 and beat Dooley. They finished 4 last year and you know the result of that game. Even Vandy finished in top 25 last year. This is like a political debate, we can spout facts to support our view but will not agree in the end. You stick to being cautious, I'm going to fix me another glass of Kool-Aid.

UT wasn't beating Bama in 2010 whether they were 1, 10, or 20.

As far as South Carolina last year, do you think that was the rule or the exception? I don't think Spurrier will hold anything back this year and if UT wins, then I'd say it's the rule.

 

[LotteryPick]

UT wasn't beating Bama in 2010 whether they were 1, 10, or 20.

As far as South Carolina last year, do you think that was the rule or the exception? I don't think Spurrier will hold anything back this year and if UT wins, then I'd say it's the rule.

Well, it's pretty hard to gauge, considering Worley went down right after.

They played well the UGA game, then won the USCe game. It appeared they were gaining some momentum.

 

[Boca Vol]

Well, it's pretty hard to gauge, considering Worley went down right after.

They played well the UGA game, then won the USCe game. It appeared they were gaining some momentum.

And some ESPN'ers put Bama on upset alert...for those ESPN hates UT folks.

Worley started the Bama game and either it was just a bad day or there was no way in hell UT was beating Bama that day.

 

[Vol Revolver]

With a Freshman and a Walk on possibly starting at the tackle spots and most of our depth across the board never having played a college game, I think it would be wise to temper expectations this year. I think last years team was all around a better team than this years, which is scary to think about.
By 2016 this team will have been completely rebuilt. We will finally have enough depth and talent so that we can expect to win every game we play. The Defense will be loaded with head hunters and the Offense with playmakers. We will know exactly what type of Coach we have then.

 

[dan4vols]

Trying pretty hard to remember the last season when it was acceptable with Volnation, with little or no critical responses, to expect at least an 8-4 season and post season aspirations. Has it really been that long?

 

[orange parmejohn]

Ainge said Butch wouldn't hesitate to ask less talented commits to look elsewhere if better ones came along. I wonder if he will be as decisive with his coordinators if the need arises.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Ainge said Butch wouldn't hesitate to ask less talented commits to look elsewhere if better ones came along. I wonder if he will be as decisive with his coordinators if the need arises.

You better hope LV doesn't see this post because it will make him weep. According to him CBJ would never ask a player to go elsewhere.

I am much more worried about our coordinators than CBJ. Jancek was a defensive failure before and I am not sold on Bajankian at all. This year should tell a lot about the coordinators. If they don't show some improvement then I hope CBJ would put them on the hot seat. There is no excuse for not showing improvement this year.

 

[gnm53108]

Trying pretty hard to remember the last season when it was acceptable with Volnation, with little or no critical responses, to expect at least an 8-4 season and post season aspirations. Has it really been that long?

I remember when 8 wins was a disapointment.

 

[Vol4life25]

Anyway, I looked up every good/great college coach I can think of. They all improved on their 2nd year. Pattern? I think so.

If Butch is the coach to bring Tennessee back, he will improve his 2nd year.

 

[gnm53108]

Anyway, I looked up every good/great college coach I can think of. They all improved on their 2nd year. Pattern? I think so.

If Butch is the coach to bring Tennessee back, he will improve his 2nd year.

Yep.

 

[ajvol01]

Anyway, I looked up every good/great college coach I can think of. They all improved on their 2nd year. Pattern? I think so.

If Butch is the coach to bring Tennessee back, he will improve his 2nd year.

Just look at CMU and Cincy

At CMU...2 eight win seasons followed by an 11 win season

At Cincy...4-8, 10-3, 9-3

Jones can coach - if we let him

 

[Other_Guy]

This thread is so silly. Knowing everything we know about last year i.e new QBs, new WRs, new offensive/defensivd schemes, one of the toughests schedules and having to overcome the Dooley effect, I would say he deserves the "benefit of the learning curve", especially after beating USCe and almost beating UGA. This year we have a much more talented offense/defense.

Using the word "silly" is silly.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

You better hope LV doesn't see this post because it will make him weep. According to him CBJ would never ask a player to go elsewhere.

I am much more worried about our coordinators than CBJ. Jancek was a defensive failure before and I am not sold on Bajankian at all. This year should tell a lot about the coordinators. If they don't show some improvement then I hope CBJ would put them on the hot seat. There is no excuse for not showing improvement this year.

The coordinators have faired well in the past.

 

[vols4evah]

You better hope LV doesn't see this post because it will make him weep. According to him CBJ would never ask a player to go elsewhere.

I am much more worried about our coordinators than CBJ. Jancek was a defensive failure before and I am not sold on Bajankian at all. This year should tell a lot about the coordinators. If they don't show some improvement then I hope CBJ would put them on the hot seat. There is no excuse for not showing improvement this year.

Improvement over what exactly ? What did they do so horrible in their first year that has you adamant about show improvement or else ?

Please explain, did you expect a 12-0 season ? 11-1 ? 9-3 ? what did you expect that has you so disappointed and outraged about last year?

CBJ wont think about firing any of his coaches that have been with him for years without a real justifiable reason and a 5-7 season the first year doesn't qualify, especially the way they all recruit.

 

[66volfan]

UT wasn't beating Bama in 2010 whether they were 1, 10, or 20.

As far as South Carolina last year, do you think that was the rule or the exception? I don't think Spurrier will hold anything back this year and if UT wins, then I'd say it's the rule.

The point was strength of schedule gauged by end of season rankings. Those were two teams mentioned in the post I was responding to. Breaking down the entire seasons will only strengthen my argument, but what's the point?

 

[KBVol]

Anyway, I looked up every good/great college coach I can think of. They all improved on their 2nd year. Pattern? I think so.

If Butch is the coach to bring Tennessee back, he will improve his 2nd year.

SEC history shows that if Butch is to ever win an SEC championship he has to win 9 games this year.

 

[Brianchevy]

I don't think he will miss any tackles, drop any passes or commit any horrible fumbles but hopefully he calls the right plays and lines up the secondary so that the Oregon game is a distant memory, i don't like having people running wide open in our secondary.

 

[oregonvol]

What?! Why would Malzahn want to come to UT when he already had a foundation laid in Auburn. Everyone knew he would go back to AU. What is the point of your question.

There's really no evidence for anything you just said. I'd love to see a citation proving that Malzahn would only go to Auburn. If "everyone knew" it, I'm sure you can find one, right?

Typically, coaches go where people will pay them more and we paid alot more to get Butch Jones than Auburn paid Malzahn last year.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

There's really no evidence for anything you just said. I'd love to see a citation proving that Malzahn would only go to Auburn. If "everyone knew" it, I'm sure you can find one, right?

Typically, coaches go where people will pay them more and we paid alot more to get Butch Jones than Auburn paid Malzahn last year.

Common sense tells you that. It is apparent that you are lacking any type of common sense. He had already laid the ground work at Auburn by being the OC. When Chizik was fired at the end of November, it took less than a week for him to accept the job at Auburn. All of the players that he helped recruit were there. He knew he would be successful there, and he was. If he would've came to TN he would not of been as successful.

I am sure in your warped mind, you probably are thinking that if he would've come here he would've had the same results.

 

[oregonvol]

Common sense tells you that. It is apparent that you are lacking any type of common sense. He had already laid the ground work at Auburn by being the OC. When Chizik was fired at the end of November, it took less than a week for him to accept the job at Auburn. All of the players that he helped recruit were there. He knew he would be successful there, and he was. If he would've came to TN he would not of been as successful.

I am sure in your warped mind, you probably are thinking that if he would've come here he would've had the same results.

So you don't have a citation, just insults and make believe? Figured as much.

Strange that you know so much about Malzahn's thinking and motivations but yet don't have any proof.