Will CBJ Offense work in the SEC?

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Brianchevy said:
hello, delusional, party of 1, your table is ready.
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It's not unreasonable to think were going to run the ball 30-50 times a game. Unless our receivers progress a lot, those two might end up with 200 or more carries.
 
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Nothing new to this offense. Various versions of it are run by over half of the schools in the SEC alone, much less the entire nation. Chaney ran versions of it. UT's did not include the zone read (read option) because of the QBs we have. Jones runs a different pass pattern scheme than many of them. It can be effective if you have quick, disciplined pattern runners with good hands. Hence the WR's they are recruiting. It is a rhythm/timing passing game. Who was the last OC that attempted that at UT, albeit with the wrong roster?
 
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Burger said:
It's not unreasonable to think were going to run the ball 30-50 times a game. Unless our receivers progress a lot, those two might end up with 200 or more carries.
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This is all dependent on the score, down and distance etc. if you play from behind you will pass more if its a long set of third downs you pass more. Our climb back to the top needs to center around constantly improving the defense.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
this is all dependent on the score, down and distance etc. If you play from behind you will pass more if its a long set of third downs you pass more. our climb back to the top needs to center around constantly improving the defense.
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qft
 
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Rudy123 said:
Alabama ran the wishbone for decades and then they changed offenses. I am sure that people said that it would not work because it had never been done in the past in the S.E.C.

I have decided to not get excited about "Everything U.T.'
anymore. It is going to take years and years and years for us to get back to a championship level. I am not going to experience anymore highs and lows about it. I am going to remain even keeled.

It will first of all, take about 5 seasons until we are competitive again. Then, we have to wait until the other S.E.C. teams that are currently on top, experience a lul in their program, so we can pass them up.

Then we will be on top for a few, few years, then we will slowly begin to degress again. College footbal is cyclic. We will experience "Up" periods and also "Down" periods.
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Miss the point much?
 
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Not concerned about schemes. Concerned about players and I think that the poster that said that it will be a period of years before we are back is correct. We will have to build the roster to the same level as the leaders in this conference to be competitive. It took Majors several years to accomplish this in the late 70's and early 80's.

But I am not sure that UT wants to give what it takes to build it quickly since they were not interested in Gruden's plan. I am now convinced that Gruden was interested in what was being presented but not how it was being presented. If they had given him Saban control I believe he would be our coach now and our recruiting for this year would be sealed by now.

And as a fan for over 40 years I am not particularly interested in what they are selling anymore but will take a wait and see attitude about it. I think that is what a lot of people are thinking now.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
This is all dependent on the score, down and distance etc. if you play from behind you will pass more if its a long set of third downs you pass more. Our climb back to the top needs to center around constantly improving the defense.
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Next year's team is not going to be good at playing from behind because of inexperience in the passing games. Bajakian will adjust his scheme to his personnel. I'm saying we need a very strong run game to win this year. If Lane, and Neal had over 1500 yards combined without running a lot in the 4th quarter. Then we could have 2000 yards with 100 more carries through out the year. It's about reps at this point.
 
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onevol74 said:
Not concerned about schemes. Concerned about players and I think that the poster that said that it will be a period of years before we are back is correct. We will have to build the roster to the same level as the leaders in this conference to be competitive. It took Majors several years to accomplish this in the late 70's and early 80's.

But I am not sure that UT wants to give what it takes to build it quickly since they were not interested in Gruden's plan. I am now convinced that Gruden was interested in what was being presented but not how it was being presented. If they had given him Saban control I believe he would be our coach now and our recruiting for this year would be sealed by now.

And as a fan for over 40 years I am not particularly interested in what they are selling anymore but will take a wait and see attitude about it. I think that is what a lot of people are thinking now.
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What exactly does Saban control mean? I think Gruden would have been a great hire but I can see the concerns about giving someone thats never been a HC in college that type of contol.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I have been watching alot of Cinci game film, and CBJ offense looks wierd......as in its a mix of spread and Pro, with no huddle.(90% of the time)

I have never seen this offense in the SEC.

It is like The Spread and Pro hooked up and had a baby.


Will it work? Only time will tell I guess
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That Texas a&m offense didn't work out to well this year either ? Huh?
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I have been watching alot of Cinci game film, and CBJ offense looks wierd......as in its a mix of spread and Pro, with no huddle.(90% of the time)

I have never seen this offense in the SEC.

It is like The Spread and Pro hooked up and had a baby.


Will it work? Only time will tell I guess
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I believe CBJ is going to win ball games here because he is a proven winner. I know plenty of folks on this board will argue that he won against lesser competition etc... But the fact remains that CBJ wins wherever he has coached and he will win here regardless of the X's and O's he decides to go with here.

I coach middle school football and basketball so I know that I'm no expert on coaching by any means but from what I know coaching is so much more than X's and O's. It's about connecting with your players, believing in them, instilling discipline, pride, and confidence in them, and inspiring them to achieve greatness.

Perfect example of this, my 7th grade boys bball team last year went 8 and 2 and finished second in district. This year as 8th graders, exact same boys, different coach, they finished 2 and 8. The difference I saw was their mental state. They didn't believe in themselves this year the way they did last year. Their mental game was off and their performance on the field suffered as a result.

CBJ will win here at Tennessee. He will win. We gotta believe VolNation! We gotta believe!
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
I agree, but how many teams have their QB. See Scam Newton and Auburn for reference.
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We got two spread qb. On roster now that are pretty highly touted give them a chance! Also we don't have to worry about scam newton type thing we nearly have enough money to pay the coaches in our program.
 
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Guys -

The UF QB read-option play has kicked out butt for years (along with the spread attack that Spurrier devised). If that is the system AND WE HAVE THE PLAYERS, I see no reason why we shouldn't be in it in nearly every SEC game. If we have a defense that can stop the run out of the nickel or dime defensive formation, we should be solid. This will require a few 4*/5* LBs and solid DL.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I have been watching alot of Cinci game film, and CBJ offense looks wierd......as in its a mix of spread and Pro, with no huddle.(90% of the time)

I have never seen this offense in the SEC.

It is like The Spread and Pro hooked up and had a baby.


Will it work? Only time will tell I guess
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It's not that much different from what South Carolina, and Mississippi State do or from what Florida, Auburn etc have done in the past.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I have been watching alot of Cinci game film, and CBJ offense looks wierd......as in its a mix of spread and Pro, with no huddle.(90% of the time)

I have never seen this offense in the SEC.

It is like The Spread and Pro hooked up and had a baby.


Will it work? Only time will tell I guess
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It is the exact same concept as the Chaney offense , rooted in the four verticle attack EXCEPT : more committed to the run with some running from the QB ( but the QB is not the 1 back as seen with Cam and Tebow ) , they dont run 4 verts every play , they throw alot of curls crosses and comebacks .

so they do everything you need to do in the SEC , stretch horizontal , verticle , ball control passing , and 60% running.
 
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I don't think we can run the spread with Worley. Peterman hopefully will be a lot stronger because I think he could be the starting QB.
 
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Everyone wants to go ahead and start peterman and i always say start the best player, but if we start him and worley leaves what does that leave us with? We dont have enough qb's to lose one.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I don't think we can run the spread with Worley. Peterman hopefully will be a lot stronger because I think he could be the starting QB.
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you can run the spread with just about any QB. Manning is routinly in spread formations. Bray ran the spread . The Fun and Gun was a form of the spread . Then you have the Tebow version , the option spread . This was the 4 verticle concept and the spread wishbone in simple terms. The passing game rooted in the 4 verticle and the running game was an option game spread out with Tebow as the Fullback ..combined roll of running FB and QB giving the O an additional player . The Cam attack was similar but with less emphasis on option and a little more on the zone read ..but still a 4 verticle passing concept.

The spread is a blanket term . Butch states he will run a team based on the players strengths ...which I love to hear. Depending on which QB he uses will depend on which type of spread system he uses. I think Worley and Peterman will be okay ...he uses alot more high percentage routes than CJC with more emphasis on run after catch . Combacks , curls and crosses , with the occassional downfield to stretch the coverage .
 
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