Will CBJ Offense work in the SEC?

#53
#53
depends on how well he is able to recruit.....sadly most of these young recruits only remember 5-6 years back and we haven't had much going for us for sometime now
I'm trying to convince myself how we get out of this cycle
 
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VOL6479 said:
Is CBJ offense similar to what Todd Graham runs at Arizona St?
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I'd say its similar formations to Brian Kelly, running game of oregons, and a west coast passing game. Bajakian has the coolest wrinkles in his offense, he loves trick plays.
 
#56
#56
It will work at Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas A&M and Georgia for sure......Now will it work at UT.....not so sure, unless Jones can recruit with the aformentioned...he better be a hall of fame salesman
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Psssttt!!....Here is a little secret for you....Spurrier never ran a spread option offense...He ran the fun and gun. :thumbsup:
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Funny ..the Fun n Gun is a spread concept offense . Predicated on spreading the field and exploiting 1 on 1 match ups and spring draw and zone running . They spread the field and stretched horizontally and vertically .

Its down fall...not enough blockers . Covr 0 and send the house caused it issues . It was the bomb when teams tried to play it with coverage .

The spread can involve a passing QB .
 
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Fun and gun was nothing more than a collection of concepts Spurrier picked up from the Niners. He added option routes on corner leverage and for safety depth and alignment. It boomed because he could pack a box and keep backers in and kill to the field. What teams are doing with bone or stacked backfields in gun now is pretty much the same concept. Compressing the players and throwing to the field. If he got the right numbers the QB would check to a draw. He had answers for everything--"Mills" being the prototypical quarters beater we see now. He got really creative when he started signaling plays and routes ad hoc. Ralph X-Mills or X-6 w/e. Problem is his blocking schemes were pure crap and Jim Johnson torched him with zone blitzing. Point here--Spurrier adapted. Petrino took all of his stuff and did more. Spurrier was drowning in talent. Anyways, not sure of the intention for this thread. This has been discussed endlessly. Spread means a whole lot of nothing when you look at the butchering of football understanding by the media and the modernity of the game.
 
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I'm wondering how many 4 & 5* players that aTm had this year. How many *'s did Johnny Football have? If you have good coaching, can scheme and motivate we can get to 8 or 9 wins in 2014 and 15. If we get 8 or 9 with our facilities we will then springboard to prominence again. I think CBJ closes strong with recruiting this year and we get to maybe 7 wins next year.
 
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24/7vol said:
I'm wondering how many 4 & 5* players that aTm had this year. How many *'s did Johnny Football have? If you have good coaching, can scheme and motivate we can get to 8 or 9 wins in 2014 and 15. If we get 8 or 9 with our facilities we will then springboard to prominence again. I think CBJ closes strong with recruiting this year and we get to maybe 7 wins next year.
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Manziel was a 3 star. Air raid probably produces more points out of zero talent than any other offense. Neal Brown will give us fits.
 
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Spread -- many teams run some version of this offense

Spread option -- few teams run this offense because you need a physical QB who can run the read option and make some throws -- not easy to find
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Psssttt!!....Here is a little secret for you....Spurrier never ran a spread option offense...He ran the fun and gun. :thumbsup:
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Lol clearly you haven't watched a Spurrier coached team in the past 5 years.

He's been running zone option since he got to USC.
 
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VolsRule said:
Spread -- many teams run some version of this offense

Spread option -- few teams run this offense because you need a physical QB who can run the read option and make some throws -- not easy to find
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Oregon, USCjr, Ohio St, Clemson, Miss St, Lousiville, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Utah ST.. those are just a few zone option teams. A ton of people are running this stuff because it equalizes the numbers in the running game.



And of course, two of the most famous zone option teams were Texas with Vince Young and WV under Rich Rod.
 
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bam15 said:
Manziel was a 3 star. Air raid probably produces more points out of zero talent than any other offense. Neal Brown will give us fits.
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Air Raid is great, that's why I run it mixed with a ton of zone option. 18/19 man, were we read the LB, along with the midline read, and bash reads, along with running all those different reads off of jet sweep, without ever huddling kills a defense.

Although all the air raid really is, is Mumme and Leach's spin on the West Coast Offense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jones' passing game is far more Air Coryell than is it Bill Walsh, right?
 
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GAVol said:
Spurrier probably still has nightmares about Nebraska in the 95 title game.
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If running cover 0 and blitzing the crap out of the spread was the answer, we wouldn't have set a new defensive record against Troy, and the spread offenses of the world would have died out a long time ago.

It's sounds like a great idea, until you give up 3 or 4 screen passes for td's, 3 or 4 fade routes, 3 or 4 trap plays, and 3 or 4 rub routes.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Alabama ran the wishbone for decades and then they changed offenses. I am sure that people said that it would not work because it had never been done in the past in the S.E.C.

I have decided to not get excited about "Everything U.T.'
anymore. It is going to take years and years and years for us to get back to a championship level. I am not going to experience anymore highs and lows about it. I am going to remain even keeled.

It will first of all, take about 5 seasons until we are competitive again. Then, we have to wait until the other S.E.C. teams that are currently on top, experience a lul in their program, so we can pass them up.

Then we will be on top for a few, few years, then we will slowly begin to degress again. College footbal is cyclic. We will experience "Up" periods and also "Down" periods.
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Logical thinking, but DEPRESSING.

It's ok to be happy JMO
 
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Does the offense have a lot of pre snap motion like Pease runs at UF and Boise?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Air Raid is great, that's why I run it mixed with a ton of zone option. 18/19 man, were we read the LB, along with the midline read, and bash reads, along with running all those different reads off of jet sweep, without ever huddling kills a defense.

Although all the air raid really is, is Mumme and Leach's spin on the West Coast Offense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jones' passing game is far more Air Coryell than is it Bill Walsh, right?
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You run it?--plain'

Mumme basically stole Norm Chow's offense. He got it from Doug Scovil in the NFL. Leach added bigger splits. It's evolved a ton from those days though. Leach doesn't do the same stuff that Franklin and Holgorsen do.

Coryell and Walsh are two of the same. Both came from Sid Gillman and Paul Brown. Only major difference was Coryell had numbered routes and Walsh had numbered protections with worded concepts. Much of the same concepts honestly. 585/989 = cat/dancer etc. Anything otherwise was aesthetics and theoretical usage of the concepts. Those two aren't really worth discussing in the modern game though. It has changed too much. Coryell is ancient history and really isn't applicable. Zampese was the closest purist.

If anything, probably closer to what Jon Jenkins was doing in the 90s. He was ahead of the curve.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If running cover 0 and blitzing the crap out of the spread was the answer, we wouldn't have set a new defensive record against Troy, and the spread offenses of the world would have died out a long time ago.

It's sounds like a great idea, until you give up 3 or 4 screen passes for td's, 3 or 4 fade routes, 3 or 4 trap plays, and 3 or 4 rub routes.
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that worked against the fun and gun because css routinely did not keep enough blockers at home...it took teams a bit to realize this , teams initially approached them with coverage solutions. This was also why his O could never get off the ground in the NFL.

He has since adjusted , adding the zone read while at USCe as well as embracing to power running concepts.
 
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majic73 said:
that worked against the fun and gun because css routinely did not keep enough blockers at home...it took teams a bit to realize this , teams initially approached them with coverage solutions. This was also why his O could never get off the ground in the NFL.

He has since adjusted , adding the zone read while at USCe as well as embracing to power running concepts.
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No matter how many blockers you keep at home, the defense can always send more than you can block. Not to say you're not right about his past offensive issues, I was too young in the 90's to break such things down.

But no having enough blockers is no reason to go away from the spread. There's a solution for every problem a defense presents.
 
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bam15 said:
You run it?--plain'

Mumme basically stole Norm Chow's offense. He got it from Doug Scovil in the NFL. Leach added bigger splits. It's evolved a ton from those days though. Leach doesn't do the same stuff that Franklin and Holgorsen do.

Coryell and Walsh are two of the same. Both came from Sid Gillman and Paul Brown. Only major difference was Coryell had numbered routes and Walsh had numbered protections with worded concepts. Much of the same concepts honestly. 585/989 = cat/dancer etc. Anything otherwise was aesthetics and theoretical usage of the concepts. Those two aren't really worth discussing in the modern game though. It has changed too much. Coryell is ancient history and really isn't applicable. Zampese was the closest purist.

If anything, probably closer to what Jon Jenkins was doing in the 90s. He was ahead of the curve.
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I had the pleasure of meeting Mumme at Davidson this year. And I've been to Ecu each yr since Ruffin took over. The biggest difference I've scene is Mumme will run more mesh and cross, while the Leach disciple riley, runs more 4 vert and stick.

And my passing game is very west coast/air raid. We run drive, mesh, 4verts/switch, stick, and cross.

Mainly using cross as a play pass. And switch has been big for me against cover 1. Beyond that my best pass play is x/z jailbreak.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Alabama ran the wishbone for decades and then they changed offenses. I am sure that people said that it would not work because it had never been done in the past in the S.E.C.

I have decided to not get excited about "Everything U.T.'
anymore. It is going to take years and years and years for us to get back to a championship level. I am not going to experience anymore highs and lows about it. I am going to remain even keeled.

It will first of all, take about 5 seasons until we are competitive again. Then, we have to wait until the other S.E.C. teams that are currently on top, experience a lul in their program, so we can pass them up.

Then we will be on top for a few, few years, then we will slowly begin to degress again. College footbal is cyclic. We will experience "Up" periods and also "Down" periods.
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I agree with you and feel the same. However, I believe we will be competitive in two years. i don't really know BJ, saw him from a distance when we had Da'Rick and Hunter. We beat them but even then I and the wife noticed that his team had plenty of fight in them.

From how he conducted himself on the sideline, it just seemed he didn't dislike losing, he loathed it. His team's bearing was the same. So I think we got a coach that fields teams that come to play.

This makes me feel that BJ will bring the UT back to the days when we weren't afraid of anybody. No buying out games, just a team that came at you hard and kept coming until the final whistle. Two years, whether we win a championship or not, CFB will know the Vols are back and prowling.
 
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good post WV. as far as this thread, most of it is over my head but i sure find it fascinating to read. we need a chalkboard on here.
 
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