Will Cuonzo still be Head Coach for the 2015-2016 Season

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bleedingTNorange said:
For starters you don't know there won't be any big ticket games at TBA, I'm guessing we'll get a couple.

Like I've said, I will be really surprised if this team is ranked/makes the dance, and attendance numbers decrease...ill save this thread for future reference.
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I understand what bravo is saying, and it makes sense, but I tend to agree more with you. The numbers will be good if we are winning regardless of the opponent. At the very least, all the SEC games should bring in 15k every night.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I understand what bravo is saying, and it makes sense, but I tend to agree more with you. The numbers will be good if we are winning regardless of the opponent. At the very least, all the SEC games should bring in 15k every night.
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Well, that would give us a 15k avergage for the year vs 17.5k which is what last year was. There has to be several 20k+ games to drive that average up. There are only a few teams that will bring that kind of numbers. They could be on the schedule. At least I hope.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, that would give us a 15k avergage for the year vs 17.5k which is what last year was. There has to be several 20k+ games to drive that average up. There are only a few teams that will bring that kind of numbers. They could be on the schedule. At least I hope.
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Holy cow, disregard my last post. I don't know what I was trying to say.

Yeah, it could go either way, but I would more think average attendance will increase, assuming we don't start the season with something like a 7-5 record.
 
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We havent put a top 25 product out there the last two year either. I think 15k is short changing us.
 
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Bravo, I pulled the numbers from last years home attendance. In conference we averaged 18,333, if you take away Kentucky and Florida like you're saying we averaged 17,364.

So...in a year where the team struggled, didn't meet some fans expectations, and for a long time appeared nothing like a NCAA team...they averaged 17,364 in attendance for non Florida/Kentucky games.

You point out the 14.5k for Presb, so that shows you the window last year, somewhere between 14.5-17.5 for games not including Kentucky and Florida. So you're telling me, that if the team is better than they were last year, is ranked, and is on their way to the dance...that they won't pull better numbers?

I personally don't think the opponent matters as much as you're saying. Yes we draw bigger crowds for Kentucky and Florida, always do...I personally feel though that the games last year where we drew 15-16k because they weren't good opponents and we were a .500 team, that next year if we are ranked top 25 and sitting 6-1 coming out o Atlantis we will draw 16-17k for those games. Then hit conference where the numbers are proven to increase and I think we'll average about 18-19k a game in conference.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, that would give us a 15k avergage for the year vs 17.5k which is what last year was. There has to be several 20k+ games to drive that average up. There are only a few teams that will bring that kind of numbers. They could be on the schedule. At least I hope.
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Our lows last year were around the 15k mark (except Presb), my opinion is that given a better team, more excitement, more publicity...our lows next year will be in the 16s. Therefore, even if you lose a 20k game and replace it with a 18k game, that more than offsets te difference given the fact you don't have those really low numbers.
 
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knowthevols said:
I told you were I got it. Show a link to back up what you are saying. Apparently the UT Athletic site is not good enough.
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They're counting mercer game attendance which was 4k people...if you do it without the mercer game (thus season attendance) it's 17,395.

That honestly isn't my main point anyways...my point was, if next years team has success ranked/tourney bound, then I believe attendance numbers will go up, that is all.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
They're counting mercer game attendance which was 4k people...if you do it without the mercer game (thus season attendance) it's 17,395.

That honestly isn't my main point anyways...my point was, if next years team has success ranked/tourney bound, then I believe attendance numbers will go up, that is all.
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Can I add, the attendance will go up whether we add elite teams to our OOC schedule or not. IMO
 
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GoobieVol said:
Can I add, the attendance will go up whether we add elite teams to our OOC schedule or not. IMO
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Absolutely. Right now virgina is probably our best home OOC games. We have Xavier and Wichita on the road, plus Atlantis. So I think our road and neutral schedule is pretty strong. The home schedule is pretty weak though, hopefully they can add some decent teams. Then again after seeing MTSU resume may we won't.

Did you see what Hart said? Can't remember where I read it, but said they just about had a "blockbuster deal" locked up. Wouldn't say who the team was, but appaently the deal fell apart at the last minute. That may be why you haven't seem them add much for quality home teams...they thought they had a series with a blue blood locked up, plus there was a chance of Memphis being added to the slate too.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
They're counting mercer game attendance which was 4k people...if you do it without the mercer game (thus season attendance) it's 17,395.

That honestly isn't my main point anyways...my point was, if next years team has success ranked/tourney bound, then I believe attendance numbers will go up, that is all.
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Well then I agree with the last paragraph.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bravo, I pulled the numbers from last years home attendance. In conference we averaged 18,333, if you take away Kentucky and Florida like you're saying we averaged 17,364.

So...in a year where the team struggled, didn't meet some fans expectations, and for a long time appeared nothing like a NCAA team...they averaged 17,364 in attendance for non Florida/Kentucky games.

You point out the 14.5k for Presb, so that shows you the window last year, somewhere between 14.5-17.5 for games not including Kentucky and Florida. So you're telling me, that if the team is better than they were last year, is ranked, and is on their way to the dance...that they won't pull better numbers?

I personally don't think the opponent matters as much as you're saying. Yes we draw bigger crowds for Kentucky and Florida, always do...I personally feel though that the games last year where we drew 15-16k because they weren't good opponents and we were a .500 team, that next year if we are ranked top 25 and sitting 6-1 coming out o Atlantis we will draw 16-17k for those games. Then hit conference where the numbers are proven to increase and I think we'll average about 18-19k a game in conference.
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I would also count MIZZ as a in conference big ticket. That was the biggest croud of the year. They will continue to draw a big croud at TBA. So taking away KY, FL, MIZZ to in conference is 16,631. Take OOC and Conf. games and subtract the big ticket games (Xavier, Memphis, MIZZ, FL, KY) and the attendance is right at 16K. The 5 big ticket games last year we had 20,210 average. More than 4K difference. There will be no Memphis or Xavier type crouds at ANY OOC games this year. 19.5K is not going to see VA play at TBA like we saw at Memphis. School is out for about 3 weeks and playing crap schools at that time will only bring in season ticket totals for OOC during that span unless we see a Memphis, UCONN, Pitt, Texas, etc..

In conference we will have Ark, USCjr, A&M, and Vandy. Those are a given. We will lose the home / away series with Ole Miss, Bama, KY, GA. If we pull home games with GA and Ole Miss and away with Bama and KY, then that leaves 3 more home games that will be between MSU, LSU, Aub, FL, MIZZ.

So, best OOC game is VA.
Conference schedule should be
Ark
S.C.
A&M
Vandy
Ole Miss/Bama
GA
3 of the 5 (MSU, LSU, Aub, FL, MIZZ)

If we don't pull the Home / Away with FL and MIZZ, then IMO it will be hard to increase attendance. IMO FL will be a given with them being a rival and losing KY. So, we are looking at "potentionally" 1 big ticket all year vs. 5 last year.

If you add 1K in attendance to the season ticket average for OOC next year and 1K to the average conference without big ticket games + FL, then the average attendance is right at what it was this year of 17.5K. You NEED the big ticket games.

IMO I don't think we will see that much of a bump in season ticket holders, but we will see.
 
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My point was that I believe IMO if this team is winning the interest will far outweigh the lack of marquee opponents. (That's assuming we don't have any...for all you know we could add a big OOC game and draw some good conference games). So, last year where we had 15k show up to a few games as our low, I think you'll see 16.5k maybe be the low. Missouri isn't a big draw, they're not a rival, and it's not like they were a top 10 team. They were very similar to ole miss, but look at the different in attendance. Why? Because there was alot of publicity, interest and hype around that game because we were playing well.

I think the fact that was our high attendance game proves my point actually. The fanbase is more drawn to a good team that's playing for something rather than just a big name opponent. I understand what you mean about not having any HUGE games that draw 21k to raise our average, but we only had what, 3 of those? I'm saying it will more than offset that by not having 15k attendance games is all. And I do still think there will some games we draw 20k, Missouri proved that IMO.

Like I said, ill he surprised if we are a ranked/tourney bound team, ad our attendance is down. The fanbase is ready for a good basketball team, the Missouri game last year and Vanderbilt the year before that proved it. Neither were great opponents, but we were playing pretty well and were playing for something...and the fanbase showed up big time.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My point was that I believe IMO if this team is winning the interest will far outweigh the lack of marquee opponents. (That's assuming we don't have any...for all you know we could add a big OOC game and draw some good conference games). So, last year where we had 15k show up to a few games as our low, I think you'll see 16.5k maybe be the low. Missouri isn't a big draw, they're not a rival, and it's not like they were a top 10 team. They were very similar to ole miss, but look at the different in attendance. Why? Because there was alot of publicity, interest and hype around that game because we were playing well.

I think the fact that was our high attendance game proves my point actually. The fanbase is more drawn to a good team that's playing for something rather than just a big name opponent. I understand what you mean about not having any HUGE games that draw 21k to raise our average, but we only had what, 3 of those? I'm saying it will more than offset that by not having 15k attendance games is all. And I do still think there will some games we draw 20k, Missouri proved that IMO.

Like I said, ill he surprised if we are a ranked/tourney bound team, ad our attendance is down. The fanbase is ready for a good basketball team, the Missouri game last year and Vanderbilt the year before that proved it. Neither were great opponents, but we were playing pretty well and were playing for something...and the fanbase showed up big time.
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MIZZ game is no way the same as Ole Miss. They currently have the longest NCAA tourney appearances in the SEC. As long as they continue to be successful and an NCAA team, then they will draw above average home crouds. The reason they drew so much is because they were a big ticket last year. First time we had played them since joining the SEC after they come off a season winning the Big 12. Similar to a non conference big ticket such as UCONN or Pitt. They may not be considered a big ticket year in and year out but first time coming into TBA last year made that game a big ticket. And there were 5 games that I consider "big ticket" games last year. Not 3. Xavier, KY, FL, MIZZ, Memphis. Looking at the schedule at the beginning of the year last year, these are the "must see" games that you would circle. We will not see 16.5 as the low in OOC games. There will not be that many season ticket sales to bump those games up that high. We had 14.5K as low for the crap games last year. I added a 1K average to the OOC attendance average and 1K to the non big ticket SEC games and if we do not pull FL AND MIZZ then I don't see increasing attendance. I seriously doubt we get KY at home after the 30 pt beating they took. I'm quite certain that the coin will not flip our way on that one.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agree to disagree, we will find out soon enough.
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Well basically we are agreeing. I think attendance will grow each game over last year. OOC and SEC will both see increases. I just don't think there will be enough of the 19K - 22K games to make up the difference of what we had last year.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well basically we are agreeing. I think attendance will grow each game over last year. OOC and SEC will both see increases. I just don't think there will be enough of the 19K - 22K games to make up the difference of what we had last year.
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We had 6 games under 16,000 in attendance, we had 4 games over 19,000 in attendance, everything else was in between.

So in those 4 games we were about 5300 over 19k, in the 6 games we were about 6700 under 16k. So...if the games we were under 16k we averaged 16k, and the games we were over 19k we averaged 19k, it would more than offset...right?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We had 6 games under 16,000 in attendance, we had 4 games over 19,000 in attendance, everything else was in between.

So in those 4 games we were about 5300 over 19k, in the 6 games we were about 6700 under 16k. So...if the games we were under 16k we averaged 16k, and the games we were over 19k we averaged 19k, it would more than offset...right?
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I'd have to go through the schedule againg and look at it. I went through it already and added 1K to OOC games and 1K to average SEC home games and 1 big ticket assuming that we at least get FL and we were right at 17.5K. Basically, close to where we were last year. IMO I do not think OOC will average 16K because season ticket sales will not bump them up that high and there is no Memphis or Xavier to offset. It will be close though. If we had last years schedule this coming year, then IMO we average closer to 18.5K - 19K per game.
 
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