Will Heupel stay loyal to his buddies or make the changes necessary for continued progress?

#51
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McDad said:
Heard he's already cleaning house making room to employ VN's best and brightest.
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Serious question. All night long we lined up 4 d line against 5 online and I onky remember seeing 2 maybe three delayed lb blitz up the middle. No dropping 6 to their five on a blitz, no corner or edge blitzing. We have their qb a ton of time as our four couldn’t get past their five and he picked our secondary apart.

Did you honestly think our defensive and offensive schemes were creative in anyway what do ever? Because they looked very vanilla and easy to pick up.

I was on the board when Butch and Dooley and Pruitt were coach and we had tons of people defending their garbage play calling too. I’m not saying u specifically but they had tons of people mocking the ones like myself who said they sucked. I just want honest dialogue on here.

Dis you honestly think the scheming looked good, not even elite, but just good?
 
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I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I expect zero changes unless a coach leaves of his own volition.

Are the WRs this bad or can they not get in a rhythm with Nico....or is this system really bad when we go slow. Is the o line poorly coached or are we bad at evaluating talent.

Are we injury prone or is S&C bad. I hope Danny and Josh do a deep dive together and make some moves but I think next year's staff will look very much the same
 
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TheDeeble said:
Finishing #7 in the nation and making the college football playoff isn’t big?

I’m not saying I disagree with you. Personally I think this staff could use some improvement. But I’m being realistic about what I think will happen. I don’t think any AD is going to demand a head coach fire assistant coaches after the season we had.
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Could definitely be wrong, but Danny White seems to me to be the kind of guy that sees trouble with the three double digit losses more so than the one nice win (Bama) and beating a bunch of mediocre to bad teams throughout the season (FL much better later in the year than when we played them). I believe he will have a serious conversation with Heupel about “where do we go from here with your current staff”?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Our defense kept us ALL year. Your memory is short. Banks fielded the best defense we have had in decades. Did UGA and OSU shred our defense? Sure. You talk like running a defense is an easy thing. Get real. I am gonna day this and you can disagree all you want. The only reason we won 10 games is because of Banks.

How many games do we win this year with the 2022 defense? Maybe 6 or 7? You have no clue and neither do I about scheming against a team like OSU. You think you do but you don’t. I don’t know exactly who needs to be replaced. But imo, Banks isn’t one high on the list.
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The defense has had problems for the last 5 games including postseason minus UTEP and the teams that don’t have a talent disadvantage were able to attack them enough to win and win big. If he rolls out the same stuff to start the year next year you don’t think those early teams are going to take advantage of it? UGA is week 3.

And still massively hypocritical for you to tell anyone to leave. You don’t like pope and elarbee right. Well they had one good year in 2022 like Banks did as well. They both actually have helped produce higher draft picks than him. They’ve actually done better with their position groups than Banks has done with his. They’ve also recruited their positions better too as he has not landed ONE four star since he’s gotten here. Safeties have been getting gashed since he stepped foot on campus. Tank McCollough is playing well in the NFL so if he’s doing well there was he being put out of position here? And so by your standards at least one good year is enough for the other coaches to stay and you should leave?

The program needs to take steps forward. If Kirby can fire Chaney after going to a national championship and having the best rushing attack than Heupel can do the same. UGA WON because they made those changes.
 
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NEO said:
Serious question. All night long we lined up 4 d line against 5 online and I onky remember seeing 2 maybe three delayed lb blitz up the middle. No dropping 6 to their five on a blitz, no corner or edge blitzing. We have their qb a ton of time as our four couldn’t get past their five and he picked our secondary apart.

Did you honestly think our defensive and offensive schemes were creative in anyway what do ever? Because they looked very vanilla and easy to pick up.

I was on the board when Butch and Dooley and Pruitt were coach and we had tons of people defending their garbage play calling too. I’m not saying u specifically but they had tons of people mocking the ones like myself who said they sucked. I just want honest dialogue on here.

Dis you honestly think the scheming looked good, not even elite, but just good?
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Just what "board" do you mean? Talking facts or merely speculating? :cool:
 
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Midas said:
The defense has had problems for the last 5 games including postseason minus UTEP and the teams that don’t have a talent disadvantage were able to attack them enough to win and win big. If he rolls out the same stuff to start the year next year you don’t think those early teams are going to take advantage of it? UGA is week 3.

And still massively hypocritical for you to tell anyone to leave. You don’t like pope and elarbee right. Well they had one good year in 2022 like Banks did as well. They both actually have helped produce higher draft picks than him. They’ve actually done better with their position groups than Banks has done with his. They’ve also recruited their positions better too as he has not landed ONE four star since he’s gotten here. Safeties have been getting gashed since he stepped foot on campus. Tank McCollough is playing well in the NFL so if he’s doing well there was he being put out of position here? And so by your standards at least one good year is enough for the other coaches to stay and you should leave?

The program needs to take steps forward. If Kirby can fire Chaney after going to a national championship and having the best rushing attack than Heupel can do the same. UGA WON because they made those changes.
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Pope and Elarbee are position coaches. Banks is a coordinator
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Pope and Elarbee are position coaches. Banks is a coordinator
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Yes, that’s not the point though. The point is letting assistants go whether that’s coordinator or position coaches to upgrade and Mr high and mighty telling people to leave when they want to see better at d coordinator while hes asking for firing position coaches. Highly hypocritical. Banks is also the safety coach which was maybe the biggest issue the other day. The corners needed help over the top and got none. The safeties have been out of position since he got here but one of those safeties has gone to the NFL and has been balling tf out 🧐.
 
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The odds are against him getting rid of anyone. It's just not gonna happen.

Elarbee can't recruit or develop players.

Banks is terrible and as only benefited from a stout DL that Garner had assembled.

Martinez has always been a joke. See above for why the secondary looked to be improved this year. Had nothing to do with his coaching.

Inge and Garner are the only ones worth keeping on the defensive side.

Halze had been underwhelming at OC. Even though I'm not sure how much play calling he actually does.

I'm happy with the turnaround JH has made. But at the same time, I do think he's reached his peak here unless he makes changes on the staff. I don't see him winning an SEC championship or making a deep playoff run without changes.

And we have been just solid at recruiting. We need to take another step there if we want to get to where the top tier programs are. It's just that simple.
 
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If we let go of Hazle- would anything change at all given Heupel runs “his offense”.

Personally I’m fine with him using his offense some- but we have to come out in different formations sometimes or be able to adjust when they have us pinned.
 
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RockiesTop22 said:
If we let go of Hazle- would anything change at all given Heupel runs “his offense”.

Personally I’m fine with him using his offense some- but we have to come out in different formations sometimes or be able to adjust when they have us pinned.
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I’ve been asking this question all season. Why does Heupel never line up in other spread formations. It would help Nico tremendously if he had a check down option to go to Dylan Sampson. God forbid he actually have a concept route with Dylan Sampson coming out the backfield. We hardly ever use a regular shotgun snap no playaction pass.
 
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allvols4life said:
Elarbee, Halzle and Martinez are liabilities at best. Will Hbc's loyalty to long time staffers cause stagnation of progress?
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So, how many coaches should CJH fire after every 10 win season? Not to mention only averaging 9 wins a season in 4 years of limited scholly's after taking over a disastrous program. He's horrible. And his staff too.
 
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RockiesTop22 said:
If we let go of Hazle- would anything change at all given Heupel runs “his offense”.

Personally I’m fine with him using his offense some- but we have to come out in different formations sometimes or be able to adjust when they have us pinned.
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Who knows? I have to believe Halzle is doing something that matters because he's getting paid $850k/year. If Heupel doesn't need him then that's even more of a reason to let him go. Just hire an analyst for $150k if that's the case and give the rest of the money to a WR in the portal.

Our offense is not going to look like we want it too until we get back to have elite players at receivers. In the past 10 years, the teams with the best WRs have been the most explosive. LSU with Chase and Jefferson.... Bama when they had Amari Cooper, Davonte Smith, Jameson Williams... Ohio State with Jeremiah Smith, Harrison Jr, Chris Olave.... Georgia with Bowers and McConkey... Tennessee with Tillman and Hyatt.

That's what it takes to have an ELITE offense, but we aren't even good. I just want to see us go from having a bad offense to a good offense. Just find way to put 24 points on the board against a good defense. Something we failed to do against 4 different opponents this year.
 
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ForMyLosses said:
I’ve been asking this question all season. Why does Heupel never line up in other spread formations. It would help Nico tremendously if he had a check down option to go to Dylan Sampson. God forbid he actually have a concept route with Dylan Sampson coming out the backfield. We hardly ever use a regular shotgun snap no playaction pass.
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I'm currently looking for examples where we've had a RB or speedy WR matched up with a LB in the passing game. Good OCs create those matchups every game.
 
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On offense it would be nice to run some receiver motion, so Nico can read if it's man or zone coverage...P{lus it gives the receiver a running start which helps on the deep ball, or the slant.....Our offensive scheme was mostly 5 plays all season....Ohio had it totally figured out...

Our coaches made no changes for perhaps the biggest game in our history....Of course we got manhandled.

On defense we acted like we had never seen swing passes, or misdirection plays....They ran the same 15-20 yard square out successfully 4 times...

t was cold for everyone, but our guys just lost their speed...
 
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bpalmer28 said:
I'm currently looking for examples where we've had a RB or speedy WR matched up with a LB in the passing game. Good OCs create those matchups every game.
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After 2022 it seems this offense and Heupel have lost all of its creativity and spark. There’s no misdirection motioning nothing. Straight up looks like a highschool offense
 
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TheDeeble said:
Finishing #7 in the nation and making the college football playoff isn’t big?

I’m not saying I disagree with you. Personally I think this staff could use some improvement. But I’m being realistic about what I think will happen. I don’t think any AD is going to demand a head coach fire assistant coaches after the season we had.
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They will not be #7 in the final rankings.
 
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GVF said:
So, how many coaches should CJH fire after every 10 win season? Not to mention only averaging 9 wins a season in 4 years of limited scholly's after taking over a disastrous program. He's horrible. And his staff too.
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All depends on his expectations for the team.

Is 10 wins with one ranked win avoiding most all of the rest of the top SEC teams the goal? Is getting smoked and completely embarrassed by a ranked team in the first round of the playoffs the goal?

Or is it to be competitive vs the best of the best and challenge teams in the CFP?

Do we just want to be relevant? Or do we want to be elite?

What is our goal? What is your goal?
 
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