Will Muschamp to UF

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stevenharvey11 said:
How do you say he wasn't?

I saw another argument of yours in another thread that you can't look at Muschamp's D this year because their offense was horrible.

LSU's was equally as pathetic. Yet, Chavis still had a mean, nasty defense. Bill Westchamp had talent that was close to if not equal to LSUs on defense. Didn't look nearly as good.

Fact.
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It amazes me how many people still stick up for Third and Chavis. While I agree that Muschamp isn't all that good of a DC, I would take him over Third and Chavis.
 
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Mack Brown is Fulmer 2.0? Wow, unbelievable how stupid this board has gotten. What about Saban raving about him? So much so that he took him with to the Dolphins when he bolted for the NFL? Or how about Auburn loving him so much that they wanted him to come back and be HC? Yep, no one likes Muschamp, he sucks.
 
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iuvol2012 said:
It amazes me how many people still stick up for Third and Chavis. While I agree that Muschamp isn't all that good of a DC, I would take him over Third and Chavis.
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His defensive ranks do all the "sticking up" that needs to be done. Bottom line.

I will never claim he is the greatest, or even in the top 5, but he is damn good.

I would get as frustrated as any when the Mustang package was rolled out on 3rd down. To me, that doesn't mean he is a bad DC. Not even close.

He was lazy on the recruiting trail. I didn't like that. But his defense has always been consistently good.
 
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volfanbill said:
Mack Brown is Fulmer 2.0? Wow, unbelievable how stupid this board has gotten. What about Saban raving about him? So much so that he took him with to the Dolphins when he bolted for the NFL? Or how about Auburn loving him so much that they wanted him to come back and be HC? Yep, no one likes Muschamp, he sucks.
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Yes. He is. He isn't a good coach. Mack Brown sucks. Give any good coach that talent, and they would have more than 1 national championship. Texas is the easiest place in America to win.

Just because he is/was a good position coach/coordinator doesn't mean that he will be a good head coach. Example: Randy Shannon.

So Auburn never made a bad choice?? Nor could anyone else? Your love for Muschamp is showing. No need to have a conversation with you over it. Too biased.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
His defensive ranks do all the "sticking up" that needs to be done. Bottom line.

I will never claim he is the greatest, or even in the top 5, but he is damn good.

I would get as frustrated as any when the Mustang package was rolled out on 3rd down. To me, that doesn't mean he is a bad DC. Not even close.

He was lazy on the recruiting trail. I didn't like that. But his defense has always been consistently good.
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The problem I have with Chavis is that his defensive game plans lost a lot of games for us late in Fulmer's tenure (UCLA 2008) and kept other games closer than they should have been (Air Force, etc).

I'm not saying that he is horrible. I simply contend that he is not as good of a DC as he is made out to be.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
Yes. He is. He isn't a good coach. Mack Brown sucks. Give any good coach that talent, and they would have more than 1 national championship. Texas is the easiest place in America to win.

Just because he is/was a good position coach/coordinator doesn't mean that he will be a good head coach. Example: Randy Shannon.

So Auburn never made a bad choice?? Nor could anyone else? Your love for Muschamp is showing. No need to have a conversation with you over it. Too biased.
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Mack Brown is one of two Fulmer 2.0's (Richt being the other one) :p

Other than that, well said :good!:
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Major Appelwhite is very well known to Mack Brown, from his days as a player up through his coaching career. When Greg Davis was fired, Appelwhite was one of several candidates being mentioned to replace Davis as OC, but Brown as of yesterday, Brown obviously wasn't convinced he was the best option for Texas. That's who UF looks to be getting as their OC.

I like Muschamp, and would have been happy with him for UT last year, but the support for him was far from unanimous on this board. I think it's where I first heard the name "Muschump." The pool that UT was picking from last year was a lot shallower than the one available to UF this year for many reasons, and while this could work out for UF, I would have been a lot more worried if they had gotten any number of the names that were being thrown around like:
  • Gary Paterson
  • Chris Petersen
  • Bob Stoops
  • Jim Harbaugh
  • Bobby Petrino
  • Dan Mullen
Muschamp would have been right in there with Charlie Strong and Gus Malzahn. I think there's a very good chance that the SEC East is going to be very balanced over the next 5 years now, with everyone but UK and Vandy having a shot.
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I agree with this 100%. Can't believe FL made that hire and I have to wonder what Foley was thinking. Maybe he's just been lucky with Meyer. His other hire was Zook, Donavan got lucky with the studs for 2 years and Pearl has shown how bad of an actual coach he is. I could be wrong, but I think FL is headed down a notch and will stay there for awhile. Maybe Muschamp will be 9-3, 10-2 type guy. OC will be a huge hire for him and it looks like the spread is dead.
 
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volfanbill said:
great coaches are just going to jump ship because "it's florida"...

"ooh shiny, let's go there". It's ridiculous to think so. There was so much speculation about hiring Meyer a few years ago and that worked out fine. Now, I grant you, Meyer had shown great success as a HC, but everywhere Muschamp has been he's been successful and the HC there has raved about him. There really wasn't much better UF could have done.
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Muschamp may work out well and there may very well be little chance someone jumps ship like you say. Doesn't change my opinion that this was at best a questionable hire.
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#385
Interesting post about the UF search from the Texas board, one of its moderators posted this.

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The speed at which yesterday happened is mind-blowing. Muschamp was thought to be a long shot candidate at Florida.

UF athletic director Jeremy Foley supposedly talked with Chris Peterson. For whatever reason, that didn't work out.

Many folks felt like Dan Mullen, after being relatively successful at Mississippi State and being Urban Meyer's offensive coordinator for two national championships, would return to Florida. But Foley didn't think Mullen was the best fit.

Reports say Foley talked Bob Stoops. Stoops gave him names of his proteges.

Brett Bielema supposedly put his name in the hat, but the Gators didn't bite.

In the end, Foley is said to have come back to two coaches - Will Muschamp and Larry Fedora, the Southern Miss head coach.

Muschamp obviously won out.
 
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volfanbill said:
Patterson and Peterson have turned down jobs before, they both seem very comfortable and extremely happy with where they are. Foley should have and probably did send out feelers to them and got snubbed. Stoops would've just said no for the third time. Harbaugh only has two possible destinations in his future, Michigan or the NFL. Petrino has a good thing going at Arkansas, a rabid fan base that can handle losing, a solid group of players even after Mallet leaves and is trying to shed his bad guy image. Bolting again would have been a nightmare for him, and UF doesn't want someone that's only going to be around two years or so. Dan Mullen has also talked about how happy he is with his current location and while I don't know how, MSU claims they will raise the stakes to keep Mullen in Starkville.

Florida is an elite program, I grant everyone that. But it's not the end all of college football. Just because they are Florida does not mean any coach from any school automatically wants to go there. It's foolish that so many of ya'll think that.
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Whether UF could have gotten any of those coaches or not is a moot point. What I said was that if UF had gotten any of them, and all of their names were being floated by the cognescenti as possibilities, I would have been more worried than I am now with Muschamp. So if he is the best they could have done, that's fine with me.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Interesting post about the UF search from the Texas board, one of its moderators posted this.

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The speed at which yesterday happened is mind-blowing. Muschamp was thought to be a long shot candidate at Florida.

UF athletic director Jeremy Foley supposedly talked with Chris Peterson. For whatever reason, that didn't work out.

Many folks felt like Dan Mullen, after being relatively successful at Mississippi State and being Urban Meyer's offensive coordinator for two national championships, would return to Florida. But Foley didn't think Mullen was the best fit.

Reports say Foley talked Bob Stoops. Stoops gave him names of his proteges.

Brett Bielema supposedly put his name in the hat, but the Gators didn't bite.

In the end, Foley is said to have come back to two coaches - Will Muschamp and Larry Fedora, the Southern Miss head coach.

Muschamp obviously won out.
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The state of Florida would have burned down The Swamp if Larry Fedora was hired.
 
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I never wanted Muschamp, the risk/reward didn't look good to me with a depleted roster. Florida is a different situation, plenty of talent.

That being said, as a Vol I love this hire, hope he goes down in flames.
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#389
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And Muschamp got torched by 2 mediocre teams this year, UCLA and Kansas St, both of whom were 1 dimensional. With a defense full of 4/5 stars and the majority of starters returning he couldn't stop the run. Not impressed.
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stevenharvey11 said:
Yes. He is. He isn't a good coach. Mack Brown sucks. Give any good coach that talent, and they would have more than 1 national championship. Texas is the easiest place in America to win.

Just because he is/was a good position coach/coordinator doesn't mean that he will be a good head coach. Example: Randy Shannon.

So Auburn never made a bad choice?? Nor could anyone else? Your love for Muschamp is showing. No need to have a conversation with you over it. Too biased.
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ha thats funny
 
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My sources are saying that Will Muschamp will take the job at Georgia when Mark Richt gets fired following the 2011 season. He is an alumni after all, and his wife is from Georgia.
 
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volfanbill said:
Muschamp never lost his title. Ever. It was never in question. Nor has Mack Brown's job status been in question. Mack Brown isn't ready to retire and Muschamp had an opportunity to coach an elite program and he took it. Muschamp is a fabulous recruiter and quite possibly the best D coordinator in college football. So many Tennessee fans wanted him year ago and he said no. Now suddenly he's a bad hire for Florida. Hilarious.
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Muscchamp official title by TX is DC, his title was not listed as coach in waiting anymore because of this ruling:


"AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds says the Longhorns football program was 'singled out' by a new NCAA rule that drastically limits recruiting by defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, the Longhorns' head-coach-in-waiting.

The rule states assistants "publicly designated" to be the next head coach are now bound by the same recruiting rules as the current head coach. That means Muschamp can make only one off-campus visit with a prospect and it can't be during the critical spring evaluation period of April 15-May 31. Other assistants can have multiple off-campus visits.

"We are exploring our options for legislative relief within the NCAA process, since we believe this places our program at a direct disadvantage. Will is our head coach-in-waiting but he is also our defensive coordinator, and this legislation restricts his ability to perform his current job duties," Dodds said.

Texas announced in November 2008 that Muschamp was in line to eventually replace Mack Brown. The recruiting rule change was proposed by the Big East conference in June 2009. It was approved at the NCAA convention last month, about two weeks before the Feb. 3 national signing day.

Texas officials said Muschamp adhered to the new rule in the final days before the Longhorns signed a recruiting class experts rated among the best in the country.

Texas is now concerned about the upcoming spring recruiting window when Muschamp, one of Texas' best and most aggressive recruiters, will be confined to campus.

The rule change was supported at the convention by the football issues committee. The rationale was that recruiting by a "head coach in waiting" creates a competitive advantage for a program at a time when the NCAA has moved to curb off-campus recruiting by head coaches.

The change was not supported by the NCAA's recruiting cabinet, which noted that designating an assistant as a future head coach is likely to happen several years before the coach is promoted.
 
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This hire shocks me. CWM may turnout to be a great coach, but there is also a chance that he will fail. It is uncertain and a gamble hire. All the talk this week was how UF was the best job in football and established HC at other schools would all be lining up to take the job. Granted UF is one of the best jobs for obvious reasons. But this makes me feel better about some of the challenges TN faced in its search. TN was in as desperate a situation as any big time school could be last season, and it was able to get a "Saban Disciple" (CWM best qualities) with HC experience, with a family name to boot. It was a big gamble hire, but TN was in the position where it had to take a gamble. UF was not in nearly the same position, had plenty of time to do a thorough search, and went with the gamble hire rather than finding a proven winner.

I'll be interested to see how the full staff shakes out, and understand that UF has a stocked roster and will always be a good team. But I think this opens up the east, and is great news for TN compared to the alternative of having CUM still in Gainsville. Get ready for TN to win in the Swamp next september and start CWM out 0-1 in the SEC!
 
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vols-1 said:
Muscchamp official title by TX is DC, his title was not listed as coach in waiting anymore because of this ruling:


"AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds says the Longhorns football program was 'singled out' by a new NCAA rule that drastically limits recruiting by defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, the Longhorns' head-coach-in-waiting.

The rule states assistants "publicly designated" to be the next head coach are now bound by the same recruiting rules as the current head coach. That means Muschamp can make only one off-campus visit with a prospect and it can't be during the critical spring evaluation period of April 15-May 31. Other assistants can have multiple off-campus visits.

"We are exploring our options for legislative relief within the NCAA process, since we believe this places our program at a direct disadvantage. Will is our head coach-in-waiting but he is also our defensive coordinator, and this legislation restricts his ability to perform his current job duties," Dodds said.

Texas announced in November 2008 that Muschamp was in line to eventually replace Mack Brown. The recruiting rule change was proposed by the Big East conference in June 2009. It was approved at the NCAA convention last month, about two weeks before the Feb. 3 national signing day.

Texas officials said Muschamp adhered to the new rule in the final days before the Longhorns signed a recruiting class experts rated among the best in the country.

Texas is now concerned about the upcoming spring recruiting window when Muschamp, one of Texas' best and most aggressive recruiters, will be confined to campus.

The rule change was supported at the convention by the football issues committee. The rationale was that recruiting by a "head coach in waiting" creates a competitive advantage for a program at a time when the NCAA has moved to curb off-campus recruiting by head coaches.

The change was not supported by the NCAA's recruiting cabinet, which noted that designating an assistant as a future head coach is likely to happen several years before the coach is promoted.
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so by a technicality he lost the title on paper, but everyone still knew he was next in line to be HC at Texas.
 
#400
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Alright guys, what's gonna be Muschamp's new nick name? We call Saban Satan, Meyer CUM.

What are we gonna call the new kid?
 
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