Will there be football in 2020?

[JohnWardForever]

Stick around SHILL. Check's in the mail .

 

[Dumbledorange]

OffTackleVol gets my vote

Then let OffTackleVol perform your next life-saving surgery.

 

[Illinoisvolfan2]

how many game do you typically attend in person?

One a year. Home or away.
Too far to travel usually

 

[OffTackleVol]

LOL

The essay of a moron.

LOL........the expected response from an obvious snowflake.......tsk, tsk.

 

[Redleg68]

I share that opinion. I believe I was one of those people. When a valid antibody test is available I am going to test myself.

I agree with you. In late Dec. I developed a respiratory infection that took me to my knees and wound up at the ER and a short day at the hospital. They ran test after test only to conclude virus of unknown type. Took me six weeks to get back to baseline on my O2 saturation. I plan to get tested also.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Guys. There is literally 0.00% chance of a college football season this Fall. Why?

(1) Covid-19 isn't miraculously disappearing;
(2) There won't be a vaccine by the Fall;
(3) Crowded stands with fans shoulder-to-shoulder is an impossibility;
(4) Teams playing in empty stadiums also impossible. The legal liability is a non-starter to "force" kids to play.

Adjust your mindset. Find another hobby.

Hopefully, we'll get either a vaccine, herd immunity or viable treatments prior to the '21 season.

You are going to be surprised and disappointed then

 

[BeardedVol]

Stick around SHILL. Check's in the mail .

So now I'm part of the 'shadow conspiracy of 2020 to depopulate the planet'? I though my membership ran out in 2018.

Who else on the forums is involved I need to get a count for Christmas cards.

 

[66volfan]

Go READ the cd directive to Doctors instructing them to declare Covid as COD; even iF there was no clear evidence. There is plenty of evidence on Youtube posted by Doctors Railing against this. Dang you people are just what Stalin referred to.

YouTube? Really? Who could argue with that

 

[VFL1953]

Because, They don't want a cure, they want a mandatory Controlling Vaccine . SO, a few thousand Deaths are of no consequence for their Agenda. Just like Communism. They want Control & tracking. 666 in your face.

Wow, you're being serious aren't you? I've gotta get outta here. I'm more worried about catching JohnWardFever than I am Covid19. Effing scary.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

If it is not peer reviewed then how can you believe it. The first reports of the virus was in China in Dec/Jan. If it was actually In the late fall, then the rate of infections and deaths from the virus would of occurred about 4 to 5 months sooner here then they did. Not plausible IMO.

Because there are serologic evidence from too many places around the World that it was in circulation in many places prior to the first of the year.

 

[WBO]

Too funny.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

So if we assume its been here that long shouldn't we also assume we are on our way to herd immunity?

Herd immunity takes over 90 percent of the population would have been infected within the las 12-18 months. It appears that Coronaviruses have a very short half-life, which means that natural disease will only protect one for 6 to 18 months. Vaccine, if and when an effective one is developed would like provide antibodies which do not last as long as natural disease antibodies. I think this virus will be around for years and will more difficult to control than any of the influenza viruses. Our best hope is to develop treatments which will likely a few years to do. In the case of AIDS, it took over 25 years.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Herd immunity takes over 90 percent of the population would have been infected within the las 12-18 months. It appears that Coronaviruses have a very short half-life, which means that natural disease will only protect one for 6 to 18 months. Vaccine, if and when an effective one is developed would like provide antibodies which do not last as long as natural disease antibodies. I think this virus will be around for years and will more difficult to control than any of the influenza viruses. Our best hope is to develop treatments which will likely a few years to do. In the case of AIDS, it took over 25 years.

I thought herd immunity required approximately 60% and when I say on our way i mean we are maybe at 15-30%

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Because there are serologic evidence from too many places around the World that it was in circulation in many places prior to the first of the year.

Sources? Are you stating it did not originate in China?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I thought herd immunity required approximately 60% and when I say on our way i mean we are maybe at 15-30%

Herd immunity can be lower than 90%, but can be higher than 90%. It depends on how infectious the virus is. For measles it is above 90% and during pre vaccine times, data showed that near 98 % of children entering school for the first time had measles antibodies. Still, every year almost a complete cohort of children had the disease. Without a vaccine millions of cases will occur in all age groups. As the virus mutates, it can be one even more deadly. There are just enough epidemiological data available to make accurate predictions about who, where, when and how this virus attacks people.

For those of you who are interested in reading an article reporting on the wide variety of complications, sequelae, of the Covid19 , please read an article written by Betsy McKay and Daniela Hernandez and published in the Wall street Journal a day ago. They give credits for support of their article. It is a lengthy article but well worth reading.

 

[VolsnRavens]

I haven’t logged on this site in a while, didn’t realized it turned into conspiracy theory dot com. The bottom line is it’s May. And states are just starting to open back up. If it goes well , we may some fans (social distancing) in the stands, if we get a vaccine, we may see many fans, but If the states open up and we have a major increase in cases, then we won’t have fans. Or maybe no football. Just gonna have to be patient and see how it goes. But hey, at least we’re recruiting some awesome talent and have a real coach. I sure hope they get to play, fans in the stands or not. Go Vols!!

 

[cgrish]

lets see all these nursing homes are locked down - NO visitors whatsoever, yet how are all these residents getting infected and dying ?

Exactly, you are right, if you are gona get it, you are gona get it. Of course I am no expert, or a dr. but I do notice stats that are coming out on this virus. I noticed yesterday the new virus cases in ny. 67% of new diagnosis were from people who were in lockdown. So it was much worse for those who were in lock down than those who went out freely in the public. Social distancing has not proven to work. Sweden is another good example. No lock down at all, no busineses closed and their stats are similiar to ours. They were going for herd immunity.

 

[JacketVol]

No valid immunologists have said that.

Cause Stanford is such a trash school.

 

[JacketVol]

I haven’t logged on this site in a while, didn’t realized it turned into conspiracy theory dot com. The bottom line is it’s May. And states are just starting to open back up. If it goes well , we may some fans (social distancing) in the stands, if we get a vaccine, we may see many fans, but If the states open up and we have a major increase in cases, then we won’t have fans. Or maybe no football. Just gonna have to be patient and see how it goes. But hey, at least we’re recruiting some awesome talent and have a real coach. I sure hope they get to play, fans in the stands or not. Go Vols!!

Going to have more cases due to more testing but less percentage of positive compared to negative test percentage wise. Already seeing that in Tennessee. Main reason is you don’t have to be very sick to get a test. One of my employees had a sore throat and nothing else and was given a test. That would not have happened early April.

 

[cgrish]

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Trump said during his daily briefing at the White House. "Because, you see, it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So that you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."

Sounds to me like he is certainly suggesting it

He was asking a very intelligent question, he was not suggesting it in any way. You watch too much fake news. Notice even in your statement above. "is there a way we can do something like that"? That is a question. And it also sounds interesting to me as well. Lots of cough syrups have a lot of alcohol in the medication, and they say 70% alcohol kills the virus, so why not look at a medication with an alcohol content int it. Not do it but why would not the medical experts check it out? Just a question and nothing more than that.

 

[JacketVol]

Let's just agree that we look at this different, I've worked in healthcare for 42 years.

Then you should know nearly 8,000 Americans die everyday over the last several years. We are not over the pace by much.

 

[cgrish]

My point is pretty simple...more people are affected by the economy shutting down than actually contracting Covid-19. How is that hard to understand? Shall I post unemployment numbers vs infected with Covid-19?

Totally agree with you. If these shutdowns continue as many want it to, more harm and deaths will occur from shut downs than the virus. I don't want anyone to die from anything. But we cannot continue to be on lock down. At some point essential workers will not be getting paid if lock down continues, which means no garbage pick up, no law, no school, we have to open up. States and cities are already hurting.

 

[JacketVol]

You don't have to be sick to pass it around, only infected. You don't want to be around an asymptomatic infected person anymore than you want to be around an infected sick person who is coughing all over the place with a fever.

If only 2% of the American population gets sick, 250,000 die.

More like 132,000 if 2 percent of 330 million get it and 2 percent of those die.

 

[cgrish]

What we do know is that the death rate js exponentially lower than the numbers indicate.

Take NY for example. They did antibody tests that showed 12.3 percent of NY's population has had Covid-19. Thats 2.3+ million. If 12.3 percent of America's population has had it like NY, then 40,590,000 thousand people in the US has had it. 65 thousand people have supposedly died from it. That would put the death rate at .161 percent.

Now thats not totally accurate, but if NY wasn't the only place that conducted tests like this. They do them in Italy, Sweden, LA, Delaware, Germany and more. They've all discovered similar instances, that the way more people have gotten it than the CDC thinks. While that isn't totally conclusive, you know what else isn't?

The way in which they record Covid-19 deaths and cases. Hospitals have had to furlough doctors and have seen a significant decrease in patients across the board. Most hospitals are only functioning at 50 percent. Some places 30. Patients are afraid to come in now, they aren't paying the hospitals. Its harder for the hospitals to pay their doctors. Every doctor I know has at least had to take a pay cut. You know how they pay them? Through diagnosing Covid-19 as a cause of death or putting someone on a ventilator. Hospitals get 8,000 dollars to attribute someone's cause of death as covid. 39,000 if they put someone on a venitlator. Hospitals practically have no choice but to inflate the numbers for their ability to pay their bills. It says on the CDC website that you don't even have to test positive for you to be diagnosed with Covid, you just need to display symptoms. Symptoms that are almost identical to the flu or pneumonia. You can get hit by a bus and die, but if you test positive for covid-19 then the cause of death will be complications from coronavirus. This is a ridiculous reality. Also, let's not forget that the vast majority of people dying are really old and have underlying health problems. In the past if those people got pneumonia or the flu and died would they attribute the death to the virus? Or would it be because they got sick and died because they have a compromised immune system. Its the latter.

40 to 60 percent of all victims are from nursing homes.

How many perfectly healthy people are dying from this? NONE.

The only logical answer to this is to protect our vulnerable and let open uo everything. Make like Sweden and get a herd immunity. At worst it will cost us the lives of more people in nursing homes than usual. Sorry, but that's a better alternative than losing more people to alcoholism, suicide, and losing our economy to another great depression. All for a virus that kills way less than 1 percent of the population.

Its maddening.

Very good article, and I have read the same thing about how deaths are recorded, and I have spoken to those in the medical field as well about this and they are in agreement. It is to the hospitals advantage financially to have as many covid19 patients as possible, and to have as many as possible of the deaths in the hospital with cause of death being covid19. Also states get more financial help from the government if they have more people diagnosed with covid19, that is why many of them are wanting everyone to get tested, which is ridiculous.

 

[clarencepeabody]

The heck are you talking about?

2018 - 2019 Approximately, 35.5 million people were infected with influenza, approximately 16.5 million went to their healthcare provider for treatment, approximately 490,600 were hospitalized, and 34,200 people died from it. This is something we’ve had a vaccine for, for many many years. The biggest reason people don’t have issues with the flu anymore is the vaccine and heard immunity. Plus, proven treatments outside of a vaccine.

Is “heard immunity” similar to “pocket presents”?