Willie Martinez update?

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I think there was a huge difference between our team with Hadden and without Hadden. You could almost just see the difference between all of our games through the first half of the Bama game, and then from the 2nd half of the Bama game on. It just wasn't the same defense, largely because you lost your lock down corner. Then all of the other injuries started piling up as well in the secondary like Jeudy-Lally, McDonald, etc.
 
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WillieT said:
Willie IS NOT the problem. It is the soft personnel he has had to work with!
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Who do you think is recruiting these soft players? Yes, Martinez is the problem. If he was worth anything, he would've been at a much better school than UCF as their DB Coach. He's been run out of every school He's coached at.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Who do you think is recruiting these soft players? Yes, Martinez is the problem. If he was worth anything, he would've been at a much better school than UCF as their DB Coach. He's been run out of every school He's coached at.
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That’s simply not true.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I could care less to be frank. You can attack my credibility at will. You are nothing more than an anonymous person on this message board. I don’t care or respect your opinion. If I am wrong about Martinez then I will gladly say I was. Your threats are empty and meaningless. Attack away.
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It is pretty obvious that you don't respect much that is not self-generated. We will ALL have to let this season at least partially play out before there is a basis to bring to light folks continuous attacks on a staff member to be either valid or baseless or maybe somewhere in the vague middle. The purge and replenishment of the room sure seems to indicate what our head coach believes.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
If we had better CBs they would be able to make up for Banks play calling. Why you don’t put the blame where it is warranted is beyond me.
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Not saying Willie is the best, just saying the secondary problems are not all his fault. I see Banks working with secondary at practice, and he does coach safeties. Martinez gets blamed if a safety gets beat.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Martinez is not elite. Players come to play for Garner. Not so much for Martinez. He hasn’t had much to work with because he isn’t an elite coach. It’s that simple.
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Again completely false. When this group first got here it was a dumpster fire. We’ve been able to get much better talent over the past few years and those kids are about to be on the field this year. Recruiting the position has improved a lot in the last few years; play on the field has also improved a lot in the past couple of years. Secondary still hasn’t been great but it’s improved. Martinez for better or worse is one of the better recruiters on staff. The kid from Oregon State that transferred in is here specifically bc of CWM. You’re going to have more talent at corner next year than we’ve had in a good while.
 
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I want to see improvement with better talent. I think Martinez has done a fair job with who he had in the room. The upgrades in talent should tell the tale on his coaching ability. I think it's a matter of trying to scheme for the guys you have as opposed to having top flight guys to play whatever scheme Heupel wants to run. Heupel understands using the scheme that best suits your talent, versus playing a scheme that doesn't fit the personnel.
 
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I'm so tired of the "turn your head" crowd. I've posted on here before from great pro defensive coordinators. They are taught , IN THE PROS, to not turn your head for many reasons. This is coming from Belichick among many others. It's called being in phase. They are taught in many instances to play through the hands and to not look back. Of course, there are guys that can do it and do it well. Usually those are above average, very fast DB's, and are coveted for their ability. Not everyone has that or is it possible to do that all the time. Obviously to most people but not obvious to all apparently, you run slower with your head turned around. Again it's taught this way all the way up to the NFL. Simply saying "turn your head" is not, in most instances, the way the players are taught. If you watched the Super Bowl, you saw guys who did not turn their head around. You even saw the one guy who did for the 49ers(Gibson) on the long pass from Mahomes, he got turned around and the ball was thrown over his head for a very long completion
 
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DaddyChad said:
Again completely false. When this group first got here it was a dumpster fire. We’ve been able to get much better talent over the past few years and those kids are about to be on the field this year. Recruiting the position has improved a lot in the last few years; play on the field has also improved a lot in the past couple of years. Secondary still hasn’t been great but it’s improved. Martinez for better or worse is one of the better recruiters on staff. The kid from Oregon State that transferred in is here specifically bc of CWM. You’re going to have more talent at corner next year than we’ve had in a good while.
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Does any of the fresh talent have the magical ability to turn their head and look for the ball?
 
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Jxn Vol said:
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Does any of the fresh talent have the magical ability to turn their head and look for the ball?
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm so tired of the "turn your head" crowd. I've posted on here before from great pro defensive coordinators. They are taught , IN THE PROS, to not turn your head for many reasons. This is coming from Belichick among many others. It's called being in phase. They are taught in many instances to play through the hands and to not look back. Of course, there are guys that can do it and do it well. Usually those are above average, very fast DB's, and are coveted for their ability. Not everyone has that or is it possible to do that all the time. Obviously to most people but not obvious to all apparently, you run slower with your head turned around. Again it's taught this way all the way up to the NFL. Simply saying "turn your head" is not, in most instances, the way the players are taught. If you watched the Super Bowl, you saw guys who did not turn their head around. You even saw the one guy who did for the 49ers on the long pass from Mahomes, he got turned around and the ball was thrown over his head for a very long completion
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Jxn Vol said:
Huh?
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Sorry...I misread your post. I thought you were saying Martinez has been a position coach at every stop in his career. I re-read it and that's not what you said.

I thought that was a weird thing to hold against a guy.

I will say that Martiniez's group did not regress from Pruitt's group. That 2020 group was flat-out awful and they got slightly better (though not great) in 2021. I think this is the first year he's had upper half SEC type talent at every starting CB/NB spot. So he needs to perform this year. But he has developed some guys.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Every stop in his career his position groups regress. Sorry but it’s facts.
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Not really but why stop someone who’s making themselves look more foolish with every post. He was promoted to DC at Georgia bc his position group improved. Believe they won the East one year with him there but I can’t recall off hand.

You think the group has regressed since year one? Hadden had an invite to the combine; dude was completely lost year one.
 
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