Woke companies are crazy

#326
#326
Electric Orange said:
They wouldn't be able to make me stay if I wanted to leave.
Click to expand...
No but we had a similar incident a few years ago at UT medical center. A tornado touched down near by and storm was pretty bad we shut down the exits and warned people against leaving. We didn’t physically stop them but we wouldn’t let team members leave for safety reasons
 
#327
#327
The best example of why you can never please the woke……(scroll past first minute if you wish)
 
#328
#328
Rasputin_Vol said:
So the way to solve a corrupt govt is to fight within the system of the corrupt govt?
Click to expand...

What does corruption have to do with the conversation?

I gave you two ways to fight government coercion in this case and I didn't necessarily exclude others.
 
#329
#329
#332
#332
SpaceCoastVol said:
None of those are experimental treatments for something that is over 99% survivable
Click to expand...
Correct. My point was that if you allow companies absolute control to tell emoyees what do off the clock, then its no different then big government..how long before they are forcing those other surgeries so the employee doesnt miss work...getting another job is not always am option especially in small towns, those businesses could easily shut down 1 demographic and stop people individual rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness....we saw companies already block new social media apps, apple, google, Twitter, FB..that happens more then people think
 
#334
#334
whodeycin85 said:
Correct. My point was that if you allow companies absolute control to tell emoyees what do off the clock, then its no different then big government..how long before they are forcing those other surgeries so the employee doesnt miss work...getting another job is not always am option especially in small towns, those businesses could easily shut down 1 demographic and stop people individual rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness....we saw companies already block new social media apps, apple, google, Twitter, FB..that happens more then people think
Click to expand...
They're rebuttal to that is that you have a choice to either work there or quit.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand your argument. But with the newly emerging threat of govt influencing/coercing companies into taking certain actions, the GOP/libertarians need to really get together and have a serious conversation about this topic. Because right now, we are trending towards not even fascism, buy cartelism. We only have a handful of companies running individual sectors of the economy. Who's to say that if these cartels get together (collude) and decide on a vaccine mandate. That scenario wouldn't even include govt intervention but would remove any options for an employee if the chose not to get a vaccine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SpaceCoastVol and whodeycin85
#335
#335
Rasputin_Vol said:
They're rebuttal to that is that you have a choice to either work there or quit.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand your argument. But with the newly emerging threat of govt influencing/coercing companies into taking certain actions, the GOP/libertarians need to really get together and have a serious conversation about this topic. Because right now, we are trending towards not even fascism, buy cartelism. We only have a handful of companies running individual sectors of the economy. Who's to say that if these cartels get together (collude) and decide on a vaccine mandate. That scenario wouldn't even include govt intervention but would remove any options for an employee if the chose not to get a vaccine.
Click to expand...
Thats exactly my point..we are not far off from that cartelism as you called it...it been happening slowly....and the option to quit and move and all that other nonsense is the same lame argument the conservatives use when they say move out of the US is you dont like it....money rules all and these companies and cost make those types of option nearly impossible
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rasputin_Vol
#336
#336
Rasputin_Vol said:
They're rebuttal to that is that you have a choice to either work there or quit.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand your argument. But with the newly emerging threat of govt influencing/coercing companies into taking certain actions, the GOP/libertarians need to really get together and have a serious conversation about this topic. Because right now, we are trending towards not even fascism, buy cartelism. We only have a handful of companies running individual sectors of the economy. Who's to say that if these cartels get together (collude) and decide on a vaccine mandate. That scenario wouldn't even include govt intervention but would remove any options for an employee if the chose not to get a vaccine.
Click to expand...

And whose fault is that? Ours. We allowed merger after merger, put Ma Bell back together, let companies write the rules and give them to their in-place operatives (Ajit Pi of the FCC, for example), and empowered unfettered expansion of reach.

We made our bed on this one.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MemphisVol77, Sandman 423 and hog88
#337
#337
AshG said:
And whose fault is that? Ours. We allowed merger after merger, put Ma Bell back together, let companies write the rules and give them to their in-place operatives (Ajit Pi of the FCC, for example), and empowered unfettered expansion of reach....
We made our bed on this one.
Click to expand...
Last time i checked i didnt have a vote in those..... on my those that were in government voted..... and those we elected almost always take the money offer over thier constituents .... what do you propose to fix it
 
#338
#338
Rasputin_Vol said:
They're rebuttal to that is that you have a choice to either work there or quit.

I understand where you are coming from. I understand your argument. But with the newly emerging threat of govt influencing/coercing companies into taking certain actions, the GOP/libertarians need to really get together and have a serious conversation about this topic. Because right now, we are trending towards not even fascism, buy cartelism. We only have a handful of companies running individual sectors of the economy. Who's to say that if these cartels get together (collude) and decide on a vaccine mandate. That scenario wouldn't even include govt intervention but would remove any options for an employee if the chose not to get a vaccine.
Click to expand...

I understand and agree with much of what you're saying here. My entire point is that celebrating legislation mandating a ban on requiring the vaccine is just as bad as mandating the vaccine itself. Both are examples of government taking away choices and if not completely struck down by the courts will be used again and again by various levels of government. Those that championing DeSantis' actions today will be here pissing and moaning about the next FL governor who uses the same mechanism to mandate something they do not like.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MemphisVol77, volfanhill and AshG
#339
#339
Rasputin_Vol said:
If a govt is using coercion, then it is corrupt.

Not sure how that is hard for you to understand.
Click to expand...

Uhh, not necessarily. Coercion is the use of force or threats and government force is legally authorized in many, many, many cases where it is not a form of corruption. Corruption would be using that same coercive force to take payoffs, or something along those lines.

The consistent "muh laws" guys should back me up on this any minute now.

So be right or don't be a smartass next time. Pick one.
 
#340
#340
n_huffhines said:
Uhh, not necessarily. Coercion is the use of force or threats and government force is legally authorized in many, many, many cases where it is not a form of corruption. Corruption would be using that same coercive force to take payoffs, or something along those lines.

The consistent "muh laws" guys should back me up on this any minute now.

So be right or don't be a smartass next time. Pick one.
Click to expand...

Governments are not governed by what is right and what is wrong, but what is allowed vs what is not allowed by law.

If one wants to see the government not allowed to use coercion to achieve specific ends, then vote for candidates who will attempt to put those laws into place.

And be careful of the Pandora's Box such limitations could cause. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hog88
#341
#341
AshG said:
And whose fault is that? Ours. We allowed merger after merger, put Ma Bell back together, let companies write the rules and give them to their in-place operatives (Ajit Pi of the FCC, for example), and empowered unfettered expansion of reach.

We made our bed on this one.
Click to expand...
We or politicians?

There are laws in place for anti-trust. But are they enforced?

See, the little guy gets every law and ordinance that comes around pressing down on him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MemphisVol77 and AshG
#342
#342
@Rasputin_Vol
Is this what libertarians believe?

Libertarians seek to maximize human freedom and eliminate coercion in personal or economic matters. They advocate “self-government,” that is, people who govern themselves. Government, to the extent it exists at all, should be limited to protecting individuals from harm. Otherwise, libertarians embrace individual responsibility, voluntary community and private charity. They also tolerate diverse lifestyles, defend civil liberties, and support the free exchange of goods, services and ideas.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SpaceCoastVol
#343
#343
whodeycin85 said:
@Rasputin_Vol
Is this what libertarians believe?

Libertarians seek to maximize human freedom and eliminate coercion in personal or economic matters. They advocate “self-government,” that is, people who govern themselves. Government, to the extent it exists at all, should be limited to protecting individuals from harm. Otherwise, libertarians embrace individual responsibility, voluntary community and private charity. They also tolerate diverse lifestyles, defend civil liberties, and support the free exchange of goods, services and ideas.
Click to expand...
That is a decent definition.

What I think is the misunderstanding is that we need to separate government mandates from a private sector entity's mandate. Libertarians beli6that govt has limits, but the private sector can ideally do what they want. If a company chooses to mandate vaccines, they technically should have that freedom to do so. The libertarian arguement would then be that the choice now rests with the employee. Either they stay or they leave.

In an ideal world, this could work because there would likely be other employers that don't require such a mandate and the employees could freely move from job to job and/or have plenty of options. However, the danger we have right now is that there could be influence by the govt to have these employers make decisions that they normally would not have made on their own. Now the employees/workers are given no options and no way of avoiding the mandate and still staying employed anywhere.
 
  • Like
Reactions: whodeycin85
#344
#344
Rasputin_Vol said:
That is a decent definition.

What I think is the misunderstanding is that we need to separate government mandates from a private sector entity's mandate. Libertarians beli6that govt has limits, but the private sector can ideally do what they want. If a company chooses to mandate vaccines, they technically should have that freedom to do so. The libertarian arguement would then be that the choice now rests with the employee. Either they stay or they leave.

In an ideal world, this could work because there would likely be other employers that don't require such a mandate and the employees could freely move from job to job and/or have plenty of options. However, the danger we have right now is that there could be influence by the govt to have these employers make decisions that they normally would not have made on their own. Now the employees/workers are given no options and no way of avoiding the mandate and still staying employed anywhere.
Click to expand...
The part that stuck out to me was the governments role should it exist is to protect the individual from harm...so when Biden mandated the vax for
businesses, then didnt local (state) government, like Desantis did have the right to protect the individual from the harm of the Biden mandate...or am I off base
 
#346
#346
hog88 said:
I understand and agree with much of what you're saying here. My entire point is that celebrating legislation mandating a ban on requiring the vaccine is just as bad as mandating the vaccine itself. Both are examples of government taking away choices and if not completely struck down by the courts will be used again and again by various levels of government. Those that championing DeSantis' actions today will be here pissing and moaning about the next FL governor who uses the same mechanism to mandate something they do not like.
Click to expand...
I agree with you here. I don't agree with DeSantis on the anti mandate order. He should let the market sort it out. I can guarantee you that if they require these 'vaccines' in order to cruise, then they don't get my business. Again, like the NBA and other things like that, I know they don't care and I can live with it. However, it seems we are selective in the things we force on companies that the market should sort out on it's own. The gay wedding cake comes to mind. I am also somewhat surprised that the .gov isn't trying to force Chick-Fil-A to open on Sunday as well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: allvol123 and hog88
#347
#347
This is why I am against healthcare being attached to employment. Too many lines being crossed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hog88
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top