Woman Has 15 Abortions In 17 Years

[BigPapaVol]

and I love how you answer a question that was never asked. Constitution != Dec of Ind[/QUOT

Its our founding document.

Why can't you answer my question?

It is not our founding document. It has absolutely nothing to do with governing this nation. It was the document whereby we told the British to kiss our asses.

Which question? The one about our money?

 

[BigPapaVol]

And I understand that.

It's just that serial killers life is terminated in gentler way (can't think of a good term to use) than the living being inside the mother.

I mean I could go to jail for picking flowers in a state park.

A flower has rights but not a forming human. I know some can make sense of this but it just doesn't add up to me.

again, I get it, but that slippery slope has to have a stop somewhere, lest we be put in jail for porn cruising by the puritans around here.

 

[volfanjustin]

It is not our founding document. It has absolutely nothing to do with governing this nation. It was the document whereby we told the British to kiss our asses.

Which question? The one about our money?

It is our fouinding and original document.

But yes the one about the money and the other examples I had with God being in there.

 

[volfanjustin]

And I understand that.

It's just that serial killers life is terminated in gentler way (can't think of a good term to use) than the living being inside the mother.

I mean I could go to jail for picking flowers in a state park.

A flower has rights but not a forming human. I know some can make sense of this but it just doesn't add up to me.

The funny thing about your original comment is most people wo are pro abortion do not support the death penalty. Ironic huh?

 

[JZVOL]

again, I get it, but that slippery slope has to have a stop somewhere, lest we be put in jail for porn cruising by the puritans around here.

So the issue is when the government takes control of the relationship between the woman and the living organism inside her body?

What I mean I guess is that essentially there is no punishment for her actions against the pregnancy until a certain date at which point she can be punished by the government.

What is it about (essentially what is it lacking to have rights to life) the forming being that the host (mother) has all rights over it's future on day 89 but on day 90 the fetus has rights?

 

[JZVOL]

The funny thing about your original comment is most people wo are pro abortion do not support the death penalty. Ironic huh?

I could think of other words besides ironic, but yes it is.

 

[utvolpj]

The funny thing about your original comment is most people wo are pro abortion do not support the death penalty. Ironic huh?

not really but I guess it is in your world. And very few people are actually "pro-abortion"

 

[volfanjustin]

I could think of other words besides ironic, but yes it is.

Well I could to, I was just trying to point out that its ironic that they support the murder of an unborn innocent baby but a person who rapes and/or kills people, well we should show them compassion.

 

[volfanjustin]

not really but I guess it is in your world. And very few people are actually "pro-abortion"

You can dress it up with nice politically correct terms like "choice" if you want but I call it what it is. Pro abortion. Either your for life or not.

 

[KB5252]

Well I could to, I was just trying to point out that its ironic that they support the murder of an unborn innocent baby but a person who rapes and/or kills people, well we should show them compassion.

Even though I don't necessarily agree with them the vast majority simply support a woman's right to do with her body as she wishes. They believe it is her right to choose what is best for her, that whole pesky freedom and liberty thing.

 

[KB5252]

You can dress it up with nice politically correct terms like "choice" if you want but I call it what it is. Pro abortion. Either your for life or not.

Either you're for liberty or your not. Two can play this game.

 

[utvolpj]

Even though I don't necessarily agree with them the vast majority simply support a woman's right to do with her body as she wishes. They believe it is her right to choose what is best for her, that whole pesky freedom and liberty thing.

so what you're saying is that "pro-life" people should actually be called "anti-freedom" people? Why do you hate freedom and liberty justin? WHY?

 

[KB5252]

so what you're saying is that "pro-life" people should actually be called "anti-freedom" people? Why do you hate freedom and liberty justin? WHY?

It is a hard subject for me, while I don't really agree with it I feel that it isn't my right to infringe on another and tell them what they should or should not be able to do.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

Even though I don't necessarily agree with them the vast majority simply support a woman's right to do with her body as she wishes. They believe it is her right to choose what is best for her, that whole pesky freedom and liberty thing.

however once that woman gets knocked up, its no longer just her life and her body shes doing with as she pleases.

If thats the case then it shouldnt be wrong for women to drink, smoke, etc while preggo

 

[utvolpj]

It is a hard subject for me, while I don't really agree with it I feel that it isn't my right to infringe on another and tell them what they should or should not be able to do.

on that we 100% agree

 

[KB5252]

however once that woman gets knocked up, its no longer just her life and her body shes doing with as she pleases.

If thats the case then it shouldnt be wrong for women to drink, smoke, etc while preggo

We an argue about right and wrong all day. The real question at hand is where the law stands on the issues.

 

[JZVOL]

Either you're for liberty or your not. Two can play this game.

so what you're saying is that "pro-life" people should actually be called "anti-freedom" people? Why do you hate freedom and liberty justin? WHY?

Why does the forming being not have a right to liberty or freedom until a certain point?

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

We an argue about right and wrong all day. The real question at hand is where the law stands on the issues.

well in a lot of states, if a child is born with FAS then the parent is criminally charged.

BTW the law is to represent the will of the people, not restrict

 

[utvolpj]

Why does the forming being not have a right to liberty or freedom until a certain point?

because IMO it's not a viable life at that point. To call it a human being so early in the process is wrong.

 

[KB5252]

Why does the forming being not have a right to liberty or freedom until a certain point?

The question there is how do you weigh the potential freedoms and liberties of the fetus with those of the woman.

What muddies the issue is the lack of a clearly defined point at which a fetus is a human being. I don't pretend to know the answers. I know what my opinions are but opinions are just that. Science has a lot of work to do on this issue. The problem is that the science is being politicized by both sides making it even more difficult.

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

because IMO it's not a viable life and may/may not even make it to term. To call it a human being so early in the process is wrong.

how it cannot be considered a human being to me is just wrong.

21 weeks, still "abortable"

not a human?

 

[KB5252]

well in a lot of states, if a child is born with FAS then the parent is criminally charged.

BTW the law is to represent the will of the people, not restrict

I do not know all the answers here, I would be interested to see what the language is surrounding the law.

 

[volfanjustin]

Even though I don't necessarily agree with them the vast majority simply support a woman's right to do with her body as she wishes. They believe it is her right to choose what is best for her, that whole pesky freedom and liberty thing.

What about what is right for the unborn baby? I guess that does not matter

 

[GASOUTHERNVOL]

I do not know all the answers here, I would be interested to see what the language is surrounding the law.

have you seen the effects of FAS?


for the DBAG parent to not be punished for doing that to the kid would be wrong, plain and simple.

 

[volfanjustin]

Either you're for liberty or your not. Two can play this game.

I don't call the slaughter of millions of babies liberty? Maybe our holocaust.