Woman Has 15 Abortions In 17 Years

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if the law does not represent the will of the people, then according to our constitution that law is to be done away with
 
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KB5252 said:
First, example of you being wrong: the political leanings of certain posters you called out specifically.

Your question has already been answered by another post, the father does not have the same rights to the child as the mother until it is born. The mother carries the child and is the sole provider for that child until born. There is no arguing that point it is fact.
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I call them like I see them.

No my question about me kicking a mother and her killing her baby, is that criminal?
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
if the law does not represent the will of the people, then according to our constitution that law is to be done away with
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there are lots of laws that weren't the will of the people at the time but turned out being pretty smart
 
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volfanjustin said:
I call them like I see them.

No my question about me kicking a mother and her killing her baby, is that criminal?
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Yes, assaulted another human being and killed her baby. Under the law you would be guilty of murder, you infringed on her right to do with her body as she wishes under the law, whether or not she wanted to abort that baby is moot at that point.
 
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utvolpj said:
the issue is who has control over it. You decided you wanted to exercise control over something you have no business messing with. The rights of the mother and some random person are completely different.
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pj... I'm not sure whether you're trying to dodge the question, or just missing the point.

The question isn't about control, it's about how the law can consider an unborn child a life in one instance and not in the other. If it is deemed to be a "life", I hope you would agree that a living being trumps a mother's control in the both the court of law as well as common sense.
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JZVOL said:
So why do animals have rights, unborn babies do not if neither are citizens?
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animals have no rights under our constitution. It is simply against the law to abuse them.

Regardless, animal fetuses have absolutely no rights nor any protections under the law.
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes, assaulted another human being and killed her baby. Under the law you would be guilty of murder, you infringed on her right to do with her body as she wishes under the law, whether or not she wanted to abort that baby is moot at that point.
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But I thought it was just a fetus. Its not only her body that arguement does not hold water. She is determining whether another person lives or dies.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I have read plenty the last 3 hours or so to make an educated observation.
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no you haven't. You've seen that I think the abortion debate is a lame ass proxy for conservatism vs liberalism. It's really a debate of the hardcore Christian conservatives against the rights of the women making decisions.

They can no longer win hearts and minds by forcing the Scarlet A, so they take abstinence to the courts. It's idiotic.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
pj... I'm not sure whether you're trying to dodge the question, or just missing the point.

The question isn't about control, it's about how the law can consider an unborn child a life in one instance and not in the other. If it is deemed to be a "life", I hope you would agree that a living being trumps a mother's control in the both the court of law as well as common sense.
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I am not missing the point. The mother has control over the being inside her while the idiot kicking her in the stomach does not. No time frame was specified so I may see it differently because of that.

I'm for the woman's right to choose, not society's.
 
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volfanjustin said:
But I thought it was just a fetus. Its not only her body that arguement does not hold water. She is determining whether another person lives or dies.
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It can be argued that the body of the baby is merely an extension of the mother's until the child is born.

I am just giving you the reasoning that the law and those we charge to interpret it use. They are not blessed with the easy option of letting emotion drive their decisions. I know you like to believe it is but the truth is the reality of this issue is very difficult.
 
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volfanjustin said:
But I thought it was just a fetus. Its not only her body that arguement does not hold water. She is determining whether another person lives or dies.
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NO. She's choosing whether a POTENTIAL person lives or dies, period. If you can't draw that distinction, just stop the debate as it isn't worth the time.
 
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KB5252 said:
On one issue? You can't be serious, you are willing to label someone a liberal for their stance on one issue?
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Funny how none of you are denying it. I was not even talking about you in the beginning.
I won't hide it I am a Ronald Reagan consevative. And proud to be
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm now out of the closet. I am a champion of liberal causes everywhere. Send me your money.
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I'm sure at this point I have been figured out as a liberal as well. Sorry but you're too late, I just sent all my money to moveon.org, perhaps you can ask if they'll share my contribution with you?
 
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utvolpj said:
hey I want in too my liberal comrade
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Wonder what my buddies are going to think.

I think the Christian Coalition is littered with absolute idiots, hence I'm liberal and atheistic. My guess is that they'll believe Justin a simpleton, but I'm only guessing.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
animals have no rights under our constitution. It is simply against the law to abuse them.

Regardless, animal fetuses have absolutely no rights nor any protections under the law.
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Now I see, you are prejudice against all fetuses.
 
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