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#176
UT IE 95 said:
I will give you $100 if you can show me where I have ever posted "how ignorant conservatives are".

I share many true conservative beliefs.
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I just had this argument last night, I don't feel like doing it again. Moving on... tax the rich to death, ba dthings happen.
 
#177
#177
allvol123 said:
ok, I'll adjust. If your rate was lowered 5 points, you'd feel the need to kick the 5 points in voluntarily? Since you are being taxed an appropriate amount now.
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Why would I feel the need to kick in 5 points voluntarily? I don't understand.
 
#178
#178
volinbham said:
I think it's about right as it is. I'd like to see some alleviation of payroll taxes at the low end but pay for that with less government programs as opposed to adding higher marginal rates.

Above all, I'd hate to see the cap gains taxes get jacked back up.
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You've convinced me that the current rates are about right. I know many on here feel they're not fair.

I don't have any serious problems with any of what you wrote. You and I might disagree with which specific govt programs get less funding, and that's the tricky part. Maybe we're closer than I think.

The cap gains taxes - I don't know enough to have an opinion on how much they should be taxed.
 
#179
#179
TennNC said:
Why would I feel the need to kick in 5 points voluntarily? I don't understand.
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I thought you considered the rate you are currently paying, just. So if for some reason, people got in office that you disagreed with and lowered your rate, since it would no longer be at the rate you like, you'd just voluntarily chip in the rest?
 
#180
#180
volinbham said:
I think it's about right as it is. I'd like to see some alleviation of payroll taxes at the low end but pay for that with less government programs as opposed to adding higher marginal rates.

Above all, I'd hate to see the cap gains taxes get jacked back up.
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People on the low end, earning $30K or less, pay 3% of payroll taxes. How much lower do you want.
 
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#182
TennNC said:
Well, the top income earners shouldn't cry about paying a greater % of taxes, because one of the reasons they're making this much money is that there are a lot of people under them making a hell of a lot less than they are. I'd much rather pay 33% making 200K than 15% taxes making $30K. And the truth is, you can't have one without the other.
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fundamental socialist misconception. People earn what the market will bear for their particular function. Nobody is wealthy BECAUSE other people are poor. People earning (read: not inheriting) their wealth are paying an enormous amount of taxes, but you're implying that they should be cool with that because poor people have made them that way. The two do not follow. They can, but do not have to in the least.

Moreover, you're saying that a high earner deserves to pay a third (it's actually more) to Uncle Sam, as if his / her time spent earning it is somehow less valuable than the time spent by those earning less. Many of the high earners out there work enormous amounts of time for their money.

Again, simple rule of working in a capitalist society: people are paid for their work exactly what the market will bear. Nobody in any senior position has forced anyone to take lower paying positions, since most employees willfully perform their function. If low earners don't like the position, there are alternatives, but paying less taxes or receiving gov't cash shouldn't be one of those options.
 
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#184
TennNC said:
Fair point. Tell me more. Is it just a nick, or a real hit?

B/c, correct me if I'm wrong, but if we lower the income tax on the highest income earners, we lose a huge chunk of govt. spending on things like the military (biggest chunk of the budget), infrastructure, etc. So where are we going to get the money to pay for the services we expect? food tax? car tax? like you said, doesn't that hit the low earners more?
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How about tear the government down to pre civil war days?

Basically stay out of every ones business!
 
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#186
BigPapaVol said:
fundamental socialist misconception. People earn what the market will bear for their particular function. Nobody is wealthy BECAUSE other people are poor. People earning (read: not inheriting) their wealth are paying an enormous amount of taxes, but you're implying that they should be cool with that because poor people have made them that way. The two do not follow. They can, but do not have to in the least.

Moreover, you're saying that a high earner deserves to pay a third (it's actually more) to Uncle Sam, as if his / her time spent earning it is somehow less valuable than the time spent by those earning less. Many of the high earners out there work enormous amounts of time for their money.

Again, simple rule of working in a capitalist society: people are paid for their work exactly what the market will bear. Nobody in any senior position has forced anyone to take lower paying positions, since most employees willfully perform their function. If low earners don't like the position, there are alternatives, but paying less taxes or receiving gov't cash shouldn't be one of those options.
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You need a kiss for that brother!

Dead on!

:wub:
 
#187
#187
BigPapaVol said:
fundamental socialist misconception. People earn what the market will bear for their particular function. Nobody is wealthy BECAUSE other people are poor. People earning (read: not inheriting) their wealth are paying an enormous amount of taxes, but you're implying that they should be cool with that because poor people have made them that way. The two do not follow. They can, but do not have to in the least.

Moreover, you're saying that a high earner deserves to pay a third (it's actually more) to Uncle Sam, as if his / her time spent earning it is somehow less valuable than the time spent by those earning less. Many of the high earners out there work enormous amounts of time for their money.

Again, simple rule of working in a capitalist society: people are paid for their work exactly what the market will bear. Nobody in any senior position has forced anyone to take lower paying positions, since most employees willfully perform their function. If low earners don't like the position, there are alternatives, but paying less taxes or receiving gov't cash shouldn't be one of those options.
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I have to agree with this. Capitalism is not perfect, but it's the best system by far.
 
#188
#188
I saw today where hops were selling for over $27 bucks when a couple years ago they were $2-$3 , whats the chance BHO is a beer drinker..........:p
 
#190
#190
BigPapaVol said:
fundamental socialist misconception. People earn what the market will bear for their particular function. Nobody is wealthy BECAUSE other people are poor. People earning (read: not inheriting) their wealth are paying an enormous amount of taxes, but you're implying that they should be cool with that because poor people have made them that way. The two do not follow. They can, but do not have to in the least.

Moreover, you're saying that a high earner deserves to pay a third (it's actually more) to Uncle Sam, as if his / her time spent earning it is somehow less valuable than the time spent by those earning less. Many of the high earners out there work enormous amounts of time for their money.

Again, simple rule of working in a capitalist society: people are paid for their work exactly what the market will bear. Nobody in any senior position has forced anyone to take lower paying positions, since most employees willfully perform their function. If low earners don't like the position, there are alternatives, but paying less taxes or receiving gov't cash shouldn't be one of those options.
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It is refreshing when you find a compelling, well stated argument hidden within a middle-school level slap fight.:salute:
 
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#195
vader said:
It is refreshing when you find a compelling, well stated argument hidden within a middle-school level slap fight.:salute:
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Vader just wants to seem smart. Vader did not understand a word of that. Dont call me a girl:cray::eek:lol:
 
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#199
VolDad said:
The point is that the bottom 50% only pay 3% of income taxes. Democrats will have you believe that this group pays most of the taxes and top income earners pay nothing.
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I would say that taxes paid as a percent of your disposable income is in many ways a more fair metric of the actual burden you feel from taxes.
 
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