Worley is one tough sonofabutch

[BanditVol]

Bray was a great QB with a bad attitude.

I personally wanted him back. Of course, had he come back, he would be suspended now anyway.

Which somehow seems about right....

 

[Spartacavolus]

Closing seconds of the game: Bray's OL broke down as GA collapsed the middle. He then tried to move forward and at the same time, his eyes remained down the field, believing one of his WRs would break free. That failing, he started to take off and run. At that moment, a dog pack got hold of him and forced a fumble. Try to curb your Bray hate enough to state facts for what they are, fiction doesn't work. You're right and wrong. it had nothing to do with the defense if you mean our Vols defense. It did have everything to do with the GA defense collapsing the pocket and forcing a very immobile QB to act mobile.

We were talking about why Bray never beat a significant team, not his leadership. Two different topics though one can argue they intertwined.

No I don't blame Dooley. Here's why DOOLEY is gone, Gone, GOne, GONe, GONE. I for one want him to stay gone so I don't drag up his name, especially on posts that have naught to do with him as part of the topic.
Again, we were talking about the fact that Bray threw touchdowns but the defense was so porous, those score too often didn't withstand that barrage of points front opponents. You decided to rope and drag leadership and Dooley into the topic. Fiction doesn't work.

-OL didn't break down. Bray had time and held onto the ball too long, then fumbled because he wasn't protecting the ball or aware of his surroundings. There is your nonfiction.
-I don't hate Bray. Never have and still don't. I backed him through all his bs, on and off the field. He lacked leadership and maturity. Many players didn't like or respect him, which is more nonfiction for you.
-I didn't bring Dooley up. Others blamed Bray's failures entirely on Dooley and the D in this thread and I responded. I'm more of a personal responsibility individual, whereas others are obviously not. So as far as your "we were discussing...", there are multiple discussions here.
Last nonfiction point for you is Bray didn't lead his team to a lead on final drives against a team worth a flip in his career, while rag armed, slow to pull the trigger Worley did in the last 2 weeks agains SEC east foes.

No hate here. Just the facts. He never beat a team for multiple reasons and his turnovers and lack of leadership are 2 of those reasons. Worley wears me out during the game and has many issues, but his teammates love him and anyone that knows anything about football realizes the importance of respecting leaders on a football team.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

-OL didn't break down. Bray had time and held onto the ball too long, then fumbled because he wasn't protecting the ball or aware of his surroundings. There is your nonfiction.
-I don't hate Bray. Never have and still don't. I backed him through all his bs, on and off the field. He lacked leadership and maturity. Many players didn't like or respect him, which is more nonfiction for you.
-I didn't bring Dooley up. Others blamed Bray's failures entirely on Dooley and the D in this thread and I responded. I'm more of a personal responsibility individual, whereas others are obviously not. So as far as your "we were discussing...", there are multiple discussions here.
Last nonfiction point for you is Bray didn't lead his team to a lead on final drives against a team worth a flip in his career, while rag armed, slow to pull the trigger Worley did in the last 2 weeks agains SEC east foes.

No hate here. Just the facts. He never beat a team for multiple reasons and his turnovers and lack of leadership are 2 of those reasons. Worley wears me out during the game and has many issues, but his teammates love him and anyone that knows anything about football realizes the importance of respecting leaders on a football team.

Bray held the ball because his receivers were covered. As I said he was anticipating one would break free. Didn't happen and what happened to him as a result would happen to Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton manning or anybody trapped this way.

You brought up Dooley because I certainly didn't during our exchange. And the exchange was indeed between the twain of us. But nevermind, I'm done. Let's just be Vols fans and happy with the USCe win while believing against all odds we trip up Bama.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Bray held the ball because his receivers were covered. As I said he was anticipating one would break free. Didn't happen and what happened to him as a result would happen to Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton manning or anybody trapped this way.

You brought up Dooley because I certainly didn't during our exchange. And the exchange was indeed between the twain of us. But nevermind, I'm done. Let's just be Vols fans and happy with the USCe win while believing against all odds we trip up Bama.

I'm fine being done as well, but just be accurate. Our exchange started on this page by you and you brought Dooley, fiction and other subjects into it. Not me. Saying I did is, well, fiction. You jumped in on a response I had to a poster named aday25. Not you.

 

[Aday25]

Worley led his team against Ga and went up with a minute left. Also brought his team from behind in the 4th quarter for a win by making the right reads and not giving the ball to the other team to end the game. Bray put the ball on the ground on the last drive vs ga, which had nothing to do with the defense.

Fact is, Bray has a great arm, but was a terrible leader and half the guys on the team didn't like or respect him. You can blame that on Dooley or whomever you choose, I suppose.

My point is that its a little pointless to play "what if" games. Who knows what would have happened if Bray was coached by Butch. Or if Bray had a better defense.

The 4th quarter on saturday came down to how the defense helped put the offense with a number of chances to go win the ball game. And the offense was able to get the job done! Worley did a great job but all players are dependent on other players to do their jobs.

Last years team is no different. Most of the games that were close were mostly due of the offense keeping us in the game, because the defense was that bad. When you have no confidence in your defense sometimes it cause you to press, risk, and make poor decisions. I try not to judge former players as harshly as some. Playing the "what if game" doesn't really change anything about the past and while we can argue about hypothetical "what ifs," it boils down to opinion because you cannot test the hypothesis.

So looking for a scape goat when everything is so dependent on a large number of variables is kinda of silly when you get down to it. Sure there are often clear cut contributors to either success or failure, like the coach. However to do so, while fun, I like making fun of Dooley as much as the next guy, borders on the heresy of simplicity. There are rarely simple answers. There are so many factors contributing to most situations and to ignore them is simple minded. While I'm not going to stop making fun of Dooley or defending certain players, I like to think that I can at least see the bigger picture and I don't take conversations on here as seriously as others.