Worley is one tough sonofabutch

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jasonvol18 said:
I agree Worley has improved. But to Bray's defense he put up 30-40 pts in losses to GA, Miss St, Mizzou, S.Carol. All 4 of those games we would have won with this staff. And honestly we most likely beat FLA and GA with Bray's lateral ability and our improved D. But truth be told last yr got Dooley out of here so those heartbreaking losses were worth it. Still doesnt hurt to think of where we sit with this staff if we have Bray and one or both of Patterson and Hunter ruturning for their SR yrs. Would liked to have seen the maturity difference in Bray with this staff and their ability to Coach but also holding players accountable over that $hit they called Coaching and discipline during Dooley's 3 yrs.
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Bray and accountability don't mix. Not to mention Bray and meaningful wins... of course that's not really fair considering who played git, which is primarily your point. Oh well, carry on.
 
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He also put a couple of the deep passes to North right on the money while under heavy pressure. North wouldn't have caught the one hander had Worley not put the ball right where he did.

If he had put those deep passes "right on the money" then North would have been able to catch both in stride and waltzed into the ez rather than slowing up to make catches on his shoulder. Worley underthrew both passes. Don't get me wrong I think Worley is doing a great job with game management, and he had no TOs Saturday although he did get lucky on a couple of errant passes. And we also don't know how many of those stray passes were because the receiver was not where he was supposed tobe. But nonetheless, Worley simply cannot seem to lay the deep throw out for the WR to catch in stride. That was obvious on the 2 deep catches by North, and the throw to Blanc that turned him completely around. But Worley managed the game well enough for UT to get the win, and that is the bottom line.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
He also put a couple of the deep passes to North right on the money while under heavy pressure. North wouldn't have caught the one hander had Worley not put the ball right where he did.

If he had put those deep passes "right on the money" then North would have been able to catch both in stride and waltzed into the ez rather than slowing up to make catches on his shoulder. Worley underthrew both passes. Don't get me wrong I think Worley is doing a great job with game management, and he had no TOs Saturday although he did get lucky on a couple of errant passes. And we also don't know how many of those stray passes were because the receiver was not where he was supposed tobe. But nonetheless, Worley simply cannot seem to lay the deep throw out for the WR to catch in stride. That was obvious on the 2 deep catches by North, and the throw to Blanc that turned him completely around. But Worley managed the game well enough for UT to get the win, and that is the bottom line.
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Come on Ivan. Take your "I hate Worley" glasses off for just a minute. If you want to say Worley missed his usual number of QB 101 fundamental throws, throws that oughtta be pretty much automatic, then ok, I'm with you.

But to criticize those 2 throws to North? North had coverage draped all over him both times. Did North have to make outstanding athletic plays on the ball? Yes. But it was only because of the coverage. Worley threw the ball in perfect spots both times, allowing North to go make a play. Go back and look at both plays.... outstanding on both ends IMO.
 
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KBVol said:
Come on Ivan. Take your "I hate Worley" glasses off for just a minute. If you want to say Worley missed his usual number of QB 101 fundamental throws, throws that oughtta be pretty much automatic, then ok, I'm with you.

But to criticize those 2 throws to North? North had coverage draped all over him both times. Did North have to make outstanding athletic plays on the ball? Yes. But it was only because of the coverage. Worley threw the ball in perfect spots both times, allowing North to go make a play. Go back and look at both plays.... outstanding on both ends IMO.
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You really should go back and watch the one handed grab. North was covered extremely well and had the ball gone any further he wouldn't have had the opportunity to even get a hand on it. Also, had the ball traveled two yards further the safety could have had a game clinching interception.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
You really should go back and watch the one handed grab. North was covered extremely well and had the ball gone any further he wouldn't have had the opportunity to even get a hand on it. Also, had the ball traveled two yards further the safety could have had a game clinching interception.
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You really should go back and read my post. We're saying the same thing. Worley threw it in the only window he could've because of the safety coming over. It was a damn near perfect throw.
 
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KBVol said:
You really should go back and read my post. We're saying the same thing. Worley threw it in the only window he could've because of the safety coming over. It was a damn near perfect throw.
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My bad, man. I totally meant to make that reply to Ivan.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
My bad, man. I totally meant to make that reply to Ivan.
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No worries. Glad we the saw the same thing. Glad Worleys beginning to trust North. No offense to Pig, he has his very significant role. But I like to see him going to the 6'4 guy on the outside and vertically more than the 5'8 guy underneath. They both have their place, just think North can make more down the field explosive plays.
 
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ttotally77 said:
+1 bray had a cannon for a arm but who did he beat that mattered???? I'm not a Worley lover but the kid gives it his all for tennessee and if your a true VFL u can stand behind and support anyone that bleeds orange!
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1. I'm a Worley fan, even when folks here were badmouthing him in the worse way. Check my posts defending him

2. I gave Bray the same support even when I was volcanically volatile about his pebble brained behavior.

OK, that out of the way ttotally, you need to understand something. Football is a team sport. Bray and nobody else (includes you Mr. Brady) can beat a team all alone. You have to have an OL which can block. Receivers who can catch. A defense that can at least impede an opponent's scoring opportunities. Bray often played well enough to beat most teams we played. the defense, let me restate this so you actually see it. The DEFENSE was a darn sieve under the coaches we had. The DEFENSE couldn't stop low tier teams so matter how many TDs Bray threw. The mis-used and mis-coached DEFENSE was beaten by even barely above high school level teams. They might as well have been a dusty rug on a heavy clothes line, waiting for some Appalachian granny with a heavy hickory stick. Now, here's the sticker. There was not a dam thing Bray could do about a defense that couldn't make his TDs stand up for a win. The man can't play all positions on the team. It's called a football TEAM for a reason.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
I've got to hand it to Butch---he stuck with Worley when all the Monday Morning Quarterbacks wanted him gone. Kid hung in there and made some tough throws---got smacked on more then a few plays but he didn't have any turnovers. He showed great poise and toughness.
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You could be right or not. At least on some of those throws the receiver may not have been where he was suppose to be or Worley didn't see anyone open and was simply throwing it away. It would be cool to sit in on the QB cutups and get the real lowdown.
 
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KBVol said:
No worries. Glad we the saw the same thing. Glad Worleys beginning to trust North. No offense to Pig, he has his very significant role. But I like to see him going to the 6'4 guy on the outside and vertically more than the 5'8 guy underneath. They both have their place, just think North can make more down the field explosive plays.
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I anxious to see Croom start making some of those plays, too. It's only a matter of time before they are all in sync.
 
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Worley has shown tremendous character and has improved this year. His accuracy definitely needs to improve. Bray has way more talent but he was also throwing to 3 NFL draft picks.

I'll take an average QB like Worley and his good attitude over a talented Bray's immaturity and poor leadership skills. Maybe a different story if CBJ had been Bray's coach though.
 
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LocoVol said:
Bray would have only lost to Oregon this year.

Last year our offense and bray won us every game that we got alone with no help. This year our defense, special teams, and running game are getting it done. If we had a good qb we beat Fl and Ga.

Worley has improved and I'm proud of his effort but he did not do something bray didn't do, the team as a whole did something the others didn't. In fact if your honest and some won't be (those looking for likes) he's the weakest link in our offense if not the team right now.
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Bray would not have. Bray, Hunter and CP then yes. With these younger receivers Bray would have been better but not that much better.
 
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UTHorsey said:
You're right. Worley also has a defense that doesn't give up 45+ points per game.
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If I remember correcty, the defense wasn't too bad under Wilcox and Bray started 12 games with that support on the other side of the ball during his first two years at UT.
 
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Aday25 said:
Not if he had the defense and coach that they had.
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Worley led his team against Ga and went up with a minute left. Also brought his team from behind in the 4th quarter for a win by making the right reads and not giving the ball to the other team to end the game. Bray put the ball on the ground on the last drive vs ga, which had nothing to do with the defense.

Fact is, Bray has a great arm, but was a terrible leader and half the guys on the team didn't like or respect him. You can blame that on Dooley or whomever you choose, I suppose.
 
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zjcvols said:
Had North not made that catch, we lose because of Worley and his awful second half. WellMike Davis too, but still. The previous throw would have been first down to Croom but he made an awful throw.

Great throw. Nice job of protecting the ball. But he stills needs to improve big time.
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Hard to believe, but my mother-in-law couldn't even give a better back handed compliment that good...:hi:
 
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Other_Guy said:
To the other poster, had Bray had this defense they never would've lost a game last year.
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Gotta agree here. No doubt we beat FLA, UGA, USCe, Mizzou, Miss St and Candy last year with this D. We scored enough points offensively to win a lot of games last year.
 
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UTHorsey said:
You're right. Worley also has a defense that doesn't give up 45+ points per game.
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Tennessee had a couple of good defenses with Wilcox as D Coord Brays first 2 years. 6-7, 5-7, no significant wins. I put the onus much more on Dooley for obvious reasons, but Bray was the QB for most of those games. He played well vs non SEC teams and vs SEC teams until "crunch time" .... never made the big throw to win a game vs anybody who mattered. As we all (and they all know), Ky and Vandy don't matter.
 
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Let's not get too carried away with Worley. Toughness is nice but you need talent and athleticism at the QB position nowadays, and Worley is a bit short on both counts. Our passing game remains weak. I find it bizarre that we don't use North and Croom more as possession receivers: with their size, we could throw slants and other passes over the middle to them regularly, I would think. Anybody who think we're going to keep hit long passes to North like we did against SC is dreaming--that was a one-off great catch. North was very well covered. We need to throw shorter passes to him and take some pressure off our running game. Bama's defense will expose our offensive shortcomings, I expect, unless our OL has a BIG game.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Worley led his team against Ga and went up with a minute left. Also brought his team from behind in the 4th quarter for a win by making the right reads and not giving the ball to the other team to end the game. Bray put the ball on the ground on the last drive vs ga, which had nothing to do with the defense.

Fact is, Bray has a great arm, but was a terrible leader and half the guys on the team didn't like or respect him. You can blame that on Dooley or whomever you choose, I suppose.
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Closing seconds of the game: Bray's OL broke down as GA collapsed the middle. He then tried to move forward and at the same time, his eyes remained down the field, believing one of his WRs would break free. That failing, he started to take off and run. At that moment, a dog pack got hold of him and forced a fumble. Try to curb your Bray hate enough to state facts for what they are, fiction doesn't work. You're right and wrong. it had nothing to do with the defense if you mean our Vols defense. It did have everything to do with the GA defense collapsing the pocket and forcing a very immobile QB to act mobile.

 We were talking about why Bray never beat a significant team, not his leadership. Two different topics though one can argue they intertwined.

No I don't blame Dooley. Here's why DOOLEY is gone, Gone, GOne, GONe, GONE. I for one want him to stay gone so I don't drag up his name, especially on posts that have naught to do with him as part of the topic.
Again, we were talking about the fact that Bray threw touchdowns but the defense was so porous, those score too often didn't withstand that barrage of points front opponents. You decided to rope and drag leadership and Dooley into the topic. Fiction doesn't work.
 
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Come on Ivan. Take your "I hate Worley" glasses off for just a minute. If you want to say Worley missed his usual number of QB 101 fundamental throws, throws that oughtta be pretty much automatic, then ok, I'm with you.

Huh? Right after I criticized the 2 throws, I immediately said...

"Don't get me wrong I think Worley is doing a great job with game management, and he had no TOs Saturday although he did get lucky on a couple of errant passes."

...so I'm not certain how that translates to me hating Worley. I think he is a tough, gritty kid, and I also believe he has gotten a lot of undue criticism because of poor route running by his receivers. I just don't believe he throws a good deep ball, and I think that was evident in the deep balls he threw Saturday. The 2 to North weren't bad throws, but neither hit North in stride or North would have scored on both plays. The throw to Blanc was a poor throw.

I've watched replays of the catches several times. On the 2nd one, North clearly slows up and has to leap over the trailing defender to take it away from him. Hit North in stride and he would still be running. I'm less critical of the one-handed catch on the last series.
 
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