worst half of guard play u have ever seen

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willieboy said:
Sorry I can't agree, but then I don't enjoy losing. If Pearl was coach of this team without Stokes, he would easily win 20 games and go to the NCAA. But then the players would have been puking their guts out in the preseason practices. They would be able to play for 40 minutes with constant pressure on the their opponents. and they would score at an average around 80 points a game. Thats based on the history of what he has accomplished almost every year he coached.
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and guess what it's one persons fault as to why pearl is not here and is not coaching this year, you know who's fault it is??? HIS OWN DAMN FAULT
 
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willieboy said:
Sorry I can't agree, but then I don't enjoy losing. If Pearl was coach of this team without Stokes, he would easily win 20 games and go to the NCAA. But then the players would have been puking their guts out in the preseason practices. They would be able to play for 40 minutes with constant pressure on the their opponents. and they would score at an average around 80 points a game. Thats based on the history of what he has accomplished almost every year he coached.
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I don't even know what you are rambling about. I'm talking about not losing a lockerroom and causing a problem as you are trying to transition a program.
A hypothetical record with BP as coach is as useful as one with me. CM is having to change some culture issues just as DD. It's bigger than a couple of l's or w's in the present.
 
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Its really funny that when I point out to the "he has no players because of Pearl" excusers on this forum that Martin has said this team is loaded with talent it is totally ignored. That is because they have no answer except that Martin doesn't know what he is talking about. I believe that Martin is correct and that this team has a lot of talent. If you are looking for an excuse youth is better than trying to blame Pearl for Martin's shortcomings. I would agree that youth is part of the problem, but I believe that Martins failure to demand excellence in preseason conditioning and in practice is partiallly to blame as well. We are not the only team with freshman players
 
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willieboy said:
Its really funny that when I point out to the "he has no players because of Pearl" excusers on this forum that Martin has said this team is loaded with talent it is totally ignored. That is because they have no answer except that Martin doesn't know what he is talking about. I believe that Martin is correct and that this team has a lot of talent. If you are looking for an excuse youth is better than trying to blame Pearl for Martin's shortcomings. I would agree that youth is part of the problem, but I believe that Martins failure to demand excellence in preseason conditioning and in practice is partiallly to blame as well. We are not the only team with freshman players
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what do you want him to say our guys suck?
please remind me how much production did pearl get from:

golden
mcbee
tatum
mcrae
maymon
hall

exactly STFU
 
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I just want to add about intensity, what can you say to someone who doesn't know that coach K is one of if not the most demanding coach in basketball today. Its just hard to believe that someone could be that silly.
 
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willieboy said:
I just want to add about intensity, what can you say to someone who doesn't know that coach K is one of if not the most demanding coach in basketball today. Its just hard to believe that someone could be that silly.
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just because he is demanding does not mean he is intense are you serious? he demands respect what he says he says one time and the players listen. he doesnt have to raise his voice and say it after every game. you clearly have never attended a coach k camp as i have so you may want to quit before you look any dumber. then again i dont know that that is even possible :crazy:
 
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willieboy said:
I just want to add about intensity, what can you say to someone who doesn't know that coach K is one of if not the most demanding coach in basketball today. Its just hard to believe that someone could be that silly.
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Why are we now talking about Coach K?
 
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dont get me wrong he will yell, but he's not jumping up and down painting himself orange like your boy pearl. there are different forms of coaching you do know that right, i mean thats pretty basic stuff.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Why are we now talking about Coach K?
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because this moron is saying you have to be like pearl and yell and scream and sweat through your shirt in order to be a good coach. i simply pointed out coach k sits down and very rarely raises his voice to anyone. he is respected and demands respect he says things once thats it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
because this moron is saying you have to be like pearl and yell and scream and sweat through your shirt in order to be a good coach. i simply pointed out coach k sits down and very rarely raises his voice to anyone. he is respected and demands respect he says things once thats it.
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A lot of good coaches don't yell and scream the whole game. Roy Williams isn't an overly demonstrative guy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
what do you want him to say our guys suck?
please remind me how much production did pearl get from:

golden
mcbee
tatum
mcrae
maymon
hall

exactly STFU
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I see, its not that Coach Martin doesn't know how much talent he has, he is just a lying to the reporter to whom he was speaking. He really knows that his players suck. Yet they were good enough to beat Fla and UConn when they played at a high level. They just don't play at a high level that often. All the above players played in games for Coach Pearl last year and they won 19 games and went ot the NCAA tourney and that was Pearls worst season. Only one other year in his entire career he won less that 20 games. Quite a record.
 
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willieboy said:
I see, its not that Coach Martin doesn't know how much talent he has, he is just a lying to the reporter to whom he was speaking. He really knows that his players suck. Yet they were good enough to beat Fla and UConn when they played at a high level. They just don't play at a high level that often. All the above players played in games for Coach Pearl last year and they won 19 games and went ot the NCAA tourney and that was Pearls worst season. Only one other year in his entire career he won less that 20 games. Quite a record.
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so by your theory what happened to the rotation of guys that beat #1 kansas, that consisted of mcbee, and woolridge starting and they beat the #1 team, so they should have gone on to win the national championship right? yes idiot they played about 3 minutes a game each, if that, that doesnt really constitute much. with your theory of them being so talented though, and pearl having a nba guy in tobias, a lock 1st rounder in hopson, and fields and williams who are stars overseas why the hell did pearl lose in the 1st round?

are you seriously this dumb, or is it just an act?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
dont get me wrong he will yell, but he's not jumping up and down painting himself orange like your boy pearl. there are different forms of coaching you do know that right, i mean thats pretty basic stuff.
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Being demanding is not about yelling and screaming. Being demonstative was Pearls style but that is not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is runing the ramps at 5 am in preseason conditioning and pushing players to perform at a high level in preseason practice. It is demanding that the players perform in every practice as if it were a game, it is making practices so tough that the games are easy. I attended a lot of Pearls practices and if you screwed up you ran the steps. They played 3 on 3 and losers run windsprints. Needless to say they didn't want to lose. There is probably no point in trying to explain to you what I mean if you think jumping up and down and painting yourself orange is what I'm talking about. Pearl was a market major and he did stunts to attract attention to the program much like Ray Mears did when he had the guy on a unicycle juggle basketballs during the halftime. He also had his team perform a globetrotter ball handling routine in warmups to the tune of Sweet Ga Brown. He coined the phrase Big Orange Country to promote bb at UT. I don't have a problem with Martins humble attitude, it is admirable. But in my opinion Martin is going to have to quit taking lessons and start giving lessons if he wants to be the coach at UT. I understand what he means when he loses by 18 points and says that is a good lesson that will benefit his team. But I've had about all the lessons from this team that I want. I don't like to lose, especially to that piece of ---- Stallings.:banghead2:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
so by your theory what happened to the rotation of guys that beat #1 kansas, that consisted of mcbee, and woolridge starting and they beat the #1 team, so they should have gone on to win the national championship right? yes idiot they played about 3 minutes a game each, if that, that doesnt really constitute much. with your theory of them being so talented though, and pearl having a nba guy in tobias, a lock 1st rounder in hopson, and fields and williams who are stars overseas why the hell did pearl lose in the 1st round?

are you seriously this dumb, or is it just an act?
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A lock on a first rounder in Hopson. Duh.:birgits_giggle:
Now tell me which NBA team did Hopson go to in the first round. :dance2:
 
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willieboy said:
Being demanding is not about yelling and screaming. Being demonstative was Pearls style but that is not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is runing the ramps at 5 am in preseason conditioning and pushing players to perform at a high level in preseason practice. It is demanding that the players perform in every practice as if it were a game, it is making practices so tough that the games are easy. I attended a lot of Pearls practices and if you screwed up you ran the steps. They played 3 on 3 and losers run windsprints. Needless to say they didn't want to lose. There is probably no point in trying to explain to you what I mean if you think jumping up and down and painting yourself orange is what I'm talking about. Pearl was a market major and he did stunts to attract attention to the program much like Ray Mears did when he had the guy on a unicycle juggle basketballs during the halftime. He also had his team perform a globetrotter ball handling routine in warmups to the tune of Sweet Ga Brown. He coined the phrase Big Orange Country to promote bb at UT. I don't have a problem with Martins humble attitude, it is admirable. But in my opinion Martin is going to have to quit taking lessons and start giving lessons if he wants to be the coach at UT. I understand what he means when he loses by 18 points and says that is a good lesson that will benefit his team. But I've had about all the lessons from this team that I want. I don't like to lose, especially to that piece of ---- Stallings.:banghead2:
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you clearly pay attention to nothing and just read and see what you want.

1. the players practice and run with weighted vests, pearl never did that

2. tobias harris said that the first work out off Martin's he attended was twice as hard as any practice pearl ever hosted

3. dane bradshaw reiterated this on the radio one day, saying that ccm practices are much more intense than any of pearl's were


so you are flat out completely wrong in what you are saying, but im sure your going to continue to argue and say the guys who played are lying and dont know what they are talking about.
 
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willieboy said:
A lock on a first rounder in Hopson. Duh.:birgits_giggle:
Now tell me which NBA team did Hopson go to in the first round. :dance2:
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you obviously didnt catch the sarcasm. you failed to answer my question too. you said we have enough talent to beat uconn and florida so we should win against vandy and its now the coaches fault because clearly we have the talent. well, we beat #1 kansas with mcbee and woolridge starting, why when the starters cam back did we not get better and win the national championship?
 
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RhodesVol said:
A lot of good coaches don't yell and scream the whole game. Roy Williams isn't an overly demonstrative guy.
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When Pearl yelled in the game it was almost always calling out offensive plays or defensive sets. Pearl was an offensive genius he had a knack for seeing what the opponent was doing and runing a play to take advantage of it. One analyst during the game said "Pearl can take his players and beat you or he can take your players and beat you."Martin runs a motion offense 90% of the time rarely calling a play. Now thats not a bad thing in itself. The motion offensive has been run by a lot of great coaches, Bob Knight for instance. But if you are running a motion offense and the players are standing around while the point guard dribbles the ball into a trap and turns it over that is just poor coaching. I really hope that in season 2014-15 someone like So Car picks up Pearl as their coach.
 
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willieboy said:
When Pearl yelled in the game it was almost always calling out offensive plays or defensive sets. Pearl was an offensive genius he had a knack for seeing what the opponent was doing and runing a play to take advantage of it. One analyst during the game said "Pearl can take his players and beat you or he can take your players and beat you."Martin runs a motion offense 90% of the time rarely calling a play. Now thats not a bad thing in itself. The motion offensive has been run by a lot of great coaches, Bob Knight for instance. But if you are running a motion offense and the players are standing around while the point guard dribbles the ball into a trap and turns it over that is just poor coaching. I really hope that in season 2014-15 someone like So Car picks up Pearl as their coach.
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all i had to read is BRUCE PEARL WAS AN OFFENSIVE GENIUS, and now i know you are between 12-16 years old. im done here. :hi:
 
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willieboy said:
When Pearl yelled in the game it was almost always calling out offensive plays or defensive sets. Pearl was an offensive genius he had a knack for seeing what the opponent was doing and runing a play to take advantage of it. One analyst during the game said "Pearl can take his players and beat you or he can take your players and beat you."Martin runs a motion offense 90% of the time rarely calling a play. Now thats not a bad thing in itself. The motion offensive has been run by a lot of great coaches, Bob Knight for instance. But if you are running a motion offense and the players are standing around while the point guard dribbles the ball into a trap and turns it over that is just poor coaching. I really hope that in season 2014-15 someone like So Car picks up Pearl as their coach.
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i am still waiting for your answer as to how the team that beat #1 kansas didnt win the national championship, was that a bad coaching job? or how about last year all the guys martin has plus a nba player, and 3 guys playing professionally overseas and pearl's team gets embarassed worse than we did last night in the first round. bad coaching? oh bad luck, right!
 
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willieboy said:
When Pearl yelled in the game it was almost always calling out offensive plays or defensive sets. Pearl was an offensive genius he had a knack for seeing what the opponent was doing and runing a play to take advantage of it. One analyst during the game said "Pearl can take his players and beat you or he can take your players and beat you."Martin runs a motion offense 90% of the time rarely calling a play. Now thats not a bad thing in itself. The motion offensive has been run by a lot of great coaches, Bob Knight for instance. But if you are running a motion offense and the players are standing around while the point guard dribbles the ball into a trap and turns it over that is just poor coaching. I really hope that in season 2014-15 someone like So Car picks up Pearl as their coach.
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Willie,I don't know what you're watching but I haven't seen anything resembling a motion offense this year.
Martin doesn't have players with the BB IQ to run it.
I've thought at times it was some kind of hybrid veiled continuation offense with a few set plays.
whatever it is it ain't motion, or not a motion I've ever seen played.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
you obviously didnt catch the sarcasm. you failed to answer my question too. you said and its now the coaches fault because clearly we have the talent. well, we beat #1 kansas with mcbee and woolridge starting, why when the starters cam back did we not get better and win the national championship?
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In the first place I didn't say we have "we have enough talent to beat uconn and florida so we should win against vandy" thats what you said above. I simply pointed out that this team can beat a good team when they play well. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that getting the team ready to play is the coaches responsibility. Tennessee was certainly not ready to play Vandy. One would not necessarily expect to beat Vandy on their floor, the home court advantage is about 10 points. But there is no excuse for this performance. It is hard to imagine what the hell the coaching staff was doing between the UC game and the Vandy game. To put in a performance like they did against Vandy. And all Martin could say was it was a good lesson for his team. He has used that line a good deal. With real coaches the lessons come in practice and when they walk on the floor they should be ready to give a lesson to the other team. You can give a lesson without winning the game if you compete. This team did not compete against Vandy and that my friend is a failure of the coaching staff. Pearls team lost at SC one year and my wife and I rode the bus and attended the game. It was a pretty good effort but we came up short. Peal came out after the game and spoke to the fans who had traveled and appoligized for their failure to gives us a win. I don't think Martin takes any responibility for this teams failure. I don't know if he really cares if he wins or loses. It may be that he thinks in the long run he is going to recruit top players and be successful or he may think what the hell im getting rich coach here and I'm going to have 4 or 5 years no matter how good or bad I do. I would like to see him take responsibility for his teams effort the way Pearl did and to show that he really gives a f if they win or lose.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
just because he is demanding does not mean he is intense are you serious? he demands respect what he says he says one time and the players listen. he doesnt have to raise his voice and say it after every game. you clearly have never attended a coach k camp as i have so you may want to quit before you look any dumber. then again i dont know that that is even possible :crazy:
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As if you had been to a camp. :birgits_giggle: By the way I did not say "just because he is demanding does not mean he is intense" you just make stuff up as you go along. How old are you? I would guess you to be 8 or 9 you don't seem to be able to understand what demanding and intense mean in relation to coaching. And then you try to pretend that you have been to a coach k camp. Amazing.
 
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willieboy said:
In the first place I didn't say we have "we have enough talent to beat uconn and florida so we should win against vandy" thats what you said above. I simply pointed out that this team can beat a good team when they play well. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that getting the team ready to play is the coaches responsibility. Tennessee was certainly not ready to play Vandy. One would not necessarily expect to beat Vandy on their floor, the home court advantage is about 10 points. But there is no excuse for this performance. It is hard to imagine what the hell the coaching staff was doing between the UC game and the Vandy game. To put in a performance like they did against Vandy. And all Martin could say was it was a good lesson for his team. He has used that line a good deal. With real coaches the lessons come in practice and when they walk on the floor they should be ready to give a lesson to the other team. You can give a lesson without winning the game if you compete. This team did not compete against Vandy and that my friend is a failure of the coaching staff. Pearls team lost at SC one year and my wife and I rode the bus and attended the game. It was a pretty good effort but we came up short. Peal came out after the game and spoke to the fans who had traveled and appoligized for their failure to gives us a win. I don't think Martin takes any responibility for this teams failure. I don't know if he really cares if he wins or loses. It may be that he thinks in the long run he is going to recruit top players and be successful or he may think what the hell im getting rich coach here and I'm going to have 4 or 5 years no matter how good or bad I do. I would like to see him take responsibility for his teams effort the way Pearl did and to show that he really gives a f if they win or lose.
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Of course he cares...
 
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willieboy said:
As if you had been to a camp. :birgits_giggle:
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willie you fail to answer ANY of my questions...

1. how do you explain the almight pearl's team last year being embarassed after have over a week to gameplan for michigan???

2. how do you explain pearls team being dismantled and embarrassed against louisville a few years back?

3. how come tennessee beat #1 kansas with back ups, then get starters back and didnt win the national championship. with your theory clearly the backups were talented enough to beat the starters of kansas so with our starters and almighty pearl we could have beaten anybody.

4. yea pearly said and apologized for a lot of things just ask his wife about that. pearl could have gave 2 craps about you going to the game and apologizing to you, thats a pr move and nothing more dont feel special.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Of course he cares...
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no according to willie we hired a guy who...cant coach, cant motivate players, doesnt apologize to fans, doesnt take responsibility for his team, doesnt recruit well enough, doesnt get the most out of his talent, oh and doesnt jump up and down and yell and scream. oh yea and doesnt care about winning or losing, he does this for a hobby in his spare time.
 
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