worst half of guard play u have ever seen

[willieboy]

Of course he cares...

It would be nice if he showed it. Maybe he did and I didn't hear it I didn't listen to the post game show. If I were in that position I would have said our performance tonight was really embarrassing. I apologize to all the fans that came to Nashville to watch us. We are going to work harder in the future to get ready.

 

[calban]

no according to willie we hired a guy who...cant coach, cant motivate players, doesnt apologize to fans, doesnt take responsibility for his team, doesnt recruit well enough, doesnt get the most out of his talent, oh and doesnt jump up and down and yell and scream. oh yea and doesnt care about winning or losing, he does this for a hobby in his spare time.

You can't change willie's mind. It was made up when Pearl was fired.
I'm just wondering if he'll be around in about 3 years to apologize and eat his words.

 

[RhodesVol]

It would be nice if he showed it. Maybe he did and I didn't hear it I didn't listen to the post game show. If I were in that position I would have said our performance tonight was really embarrassing. I apologize to all the fans that came to Nashville to watch us. We are going to work harder in the future to get ready.

His statements today definitely showed that he's not satisfied...I think he's doing a pretty good job with what he's got. He landed us a stud, and we just need to agree to disagree.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You can't change willie's mind. It was made up when Pearl was fired.
I'm just wondering if he'll be around in about 3 years to apologize and eat his words.

i mean i dont mind for there to be pearl lovers but holy crap, this guy in unbelievable. no we can win a freaking championship and he'll say pearl would have had 2, or he'll say well martin really should thank the fans and speak to them more, and maybe he should run around painted up too.

good god :no:

 

[calban]

i mean i dont mind for there to be pearl lovers but holy crap, this guy in unbelievable. no we can win a freaking championship and he'll say pearl would have had 2, or he'll say well martin really should thank the fans and speak to them more, and maybe he should run around painted up too.

good god :no:

And I'd say that's willie's problem.
For him, no one would ever measure up to Bruce.
And that's okay if it makes him happy.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

And I'd say that's willie's problem.
For him, no one would ever measure up to Bruce.
And that's okay if it makes him happy.

that's a crappy way to go through life damn!

 

[bleedingTNorange]

willie im still waiting on your response to these questions, im interested how your possibly gonna find a way to defend bruce on these aspects.

 

[willieboy]

willie you fail to answer ANY of my questions...

1. how do you explain the almight pearl's team last year being embarassed after have over a week to gameplan for michigan???

2. how do you explain pearls team being dismantled and embarrassed against louisville a few years back?

3. how come tennessee beat #1 kansas with back ups, then get starters back and didnt win the national championship. with your theory clearly the backups were talented enough to beat the starters of kansas so with our starters and almighty pearl we could have beaten anybody.

4. yea pearly said and apologized for a lot of things just ask his wife about that. pearl could have gave 2 craps about you going to the game and apologizing to you, thats a pr move and nothing more dont feel special.

I don't explain it. Pearls last season in my opinion was a failure. His team was not ready to play in several games in which they should have been much more competitive.
But even at that he did a better job than Coach Martin has this year. You don't have to be a genius to recoginize that there is no comparison between the two coaches accomplishments and no matter what you say about Pearl if you don't recognize that no other coach has come close to his accomplishment at UT then you just aren't dealing with reality. Maybe Martin will work out, I hope he does, I have great respect for him as a person. It is admirable that he has overcome cancer. And I can understand that after facing death wining basketball games may not be something for him to be that excited about. I have major doubts about his ability to coach and that is based upon what he has done this year. Personally I like Martin a lot, I thought Buzz was a wonderful person and I liked Wade Houston but these fellows were not successful coaches at Tennessee no matter how you cut it.

 

[willieboy]

no according to willie we hired a guy who...cant coach, cant motivate players, doesnt apologize to fans, doesnt take responsibility for his team, doesnt recruit well enough, doesnt get the most out of his talent, oh and doesnt jump up and down and yell and scream. oh yea and doesnt care about winning or losing, he does this for a hobby in his spare time.

Hmm I havent said a word about recruiting I havent said Martin can't coach or can't motivate players. You just keep making stuff up. What I have said is that Tennessee was not ready to play a Vandy. And that I have doubts about Martins ability to coach. You seem to want to keep putting words in my mouth that I have not said, that does not speak well of your maturity or your varacity. It is simply mendacity.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't explain it. Pearls last season in my opinion was a failure. His team was not ready to play in several games in which they should have been much more competitive.
But even at that he did a better job than Coach Martin has this year. You don't have to be a genius to recoginize that there is no comparison between the two coaches accomplishments and no matter what you say about Pearl if you don't recognize that no other coach has come close to his accomplishment at UT then you just aren't dealing with reality. Maybe Martin will work out, I hope he does, I have great respect for him as a person. It is admirable that he has overcome cancer. And I can understand that after facing death wining basketball games may not be something for him to be that excited about. I have major doubts about his ability to coach and that is based upon what he has done this year. Personally I like Martin a lot, I thought Buzz was a wonderful person and I liked Wade Houston but these fellows were not successful coaches at Tennessee no matter how you cut it.

the fact you actually think pearl was a good x and o coach is asinine. anyone who knows anything about basketball knows this was his biggest flaw. im done arguing with someone who is stuck in the past and has their vision clouded by pearl's.....epper:

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Hmm I havent said a word about recruiting I havent said Martin can't coach or can't motivate players. You just keep making stuff up. What I have said is that Tennessee was not ready to play a Vandy. And that I have doubts about Martins ability to coach. You seem to want to keep putting words in my mouth that I have not said, that does not speak well of your maturity or your varacity. It is simply mendacity.

actually you complained about some of the guys that he has brought in, therefore thatd be recruiting. you have criticized him getting guys ready, and getting them running at 5 am that could easily fall under motivation. as i said many of pearl's teams werent ready to play, pearl stepped into a much better situation that martin did. pearl walked in and had an all-american on his team, do you see that when martin walked in here?

 

[willieboy]

You can't change willie's mind. It was made up when Pearl was fired.
I'm just wondering if he'll be around in about 3 years to apologize and eat his words.

If I am around in three years and Martin is a highly successful coach the most I can say is that I am glad that we have a great program under him and that my doubts about him turned out to be unfounded. You need to only charge me with words that I have actually said, not all the misquotes that have been made about me. I have said that Martin shows little emotion over losing games. I have said that Pearl to date is the greatest coach, based on his accomplishment, to coach UT Basketball. I have said that I don't think this Tennesse Basketball team was as well prepared in preseason conditioning and preseason practices as Pearls teams. I will add here that Pearls last team was not up to par with his previous teams. I made these statements and I stand by them, I did not say Martin can't coach, can't recruit or anything else that was attributed to me in mendacity.

 

[willieboy]

no according to willie we hired a guy who...cant coach, cant motivate players, doesnt apologize to fans, doesnt take responsibility for his team, doesnt recruit well enough, doesnt get the most out of his talent, oh and doesnt jump up and down and yell and scream. oh yea and doesnt care about winning or losing, he does this for a hobby in his spare time.

Let me be clear I did not say any of these things and you are lying when you attribute them to me. How old are you? You can't be more than 12 if you are acting your age.

 

[RhodesVol]

If I am around in three years and Martin is a highly successful coach the most I can say is that I am glad that we have a great program under him and that my doubts about him turned out to be unfounded. You need to only charge me with words that I have actually said, not all the misquotes that have been made about me. I have said that Martin shows little emotion over losing games. I have said that Pearl to date is the greatest coach, based on his accomplishment, to coach UT Basketball. I have said that I don't think this Tennesse Basketball team was as well prepared in preseason conditioning and preseason practices as Pearls teams. I will add here that Pearls last team was not up to par with his previous teams. I made these statements and I stand by them, I did not say Martin can't coach, can't recruit or anything else that was attributed to me in mendacity.

I definitely agree that last year's team was not up to snuff. Then we lost the best two players from that team, and you complain that we are not good. That is something I take issue with.

 

[willieboy]

actually you complained about some of the guys that he has brought in, therefore thatd be recruiting. you have criticized him getting guys ready, and getting them running at 5 am that could easily fall under motivation. as i said many of pearl's teams werent ready to play, pearl stepped into a much better situation that martin did. pearl walked in and had an all-american on his team, do you see that when martin walked in here?

The only remark I made about a player was a 5 11 guard that I said might be small for the SEC unless he is really quick. And from this you attribute the statement that Martin cannot recruit. I said that this team does not seem to be in as good condition as Pearls teams based on the fact that in several games Tennessee folded at the end and lost the game. But you said that I said Martin could not motivate. I once told a women "you have gained a little weight" she then turned to my wife and said "willieboy(notmyrealname) said I'm fat". And of course I did not say anything of the sort. That is a womens logic, perhaps you are a girl. Why don't you learn that words have meanings and don't put words in other peoples mouths just because you disagree with them. That is childish behavior. Now you can continue with this behavior, being a child, if you wish, but the truth is the truth and you and I both know it. Making up stuff will not change it. I have serious doubts about Martin's ability to coach on an SEC level, I hope he can, but so far I have not been too encouraged. That is not in the same ballpark as saying Martin cannot coach.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Problem with that is that it is a little late for Martin to run their tails off. That is something that should be done in the preseason conditioning and early practices. It appears as if Martin is a soft undemanding coach like Wade Houston or Jerry Green. I don't believe he is going to make it unless UT admin is willing to settle for mediocre results. I have always believed that the best coaches are the most demanding coaches. I have always believed that practices should be so tough that the games would be easy. An old saying is "that if you play when you practice you will practice when you play". I think this is very true and it seems to me that Tn practices when they play.

you are questioning martins developmental skills and practice skills with this statement. you call him a soft coach and compare him to some of the worst in tennessee history, therefore insinuating he will follow. you then say he wont keep his job unless mediocracy is accepted, mediocracy isnt considered good so once again calling him a bad coach.

Quit blaming Pearl for Martins failures. Thats stupid. You can either coach or you can't.

that is a direct insinuation that martin is not capable of coaching in your mind.

Sorry I can't agree, but then I don't enjoy losing. If Pearl was coach of this team without Stokes, he would easily win 20 games and go to the NCAA. But then the players would have been puking their guts out in the preseason practices. They would be able to play for 40 minutes with constant pressure on the their opponents. and they would score at an average around 80 points a game. Thats based on the history of what he has accomplished almost every year he coached.

once again you are taking shots at martins ability to prepare and condition his guys, this is a direct shot at martins ability to coach.

In the first place I didn't say we have "we have enough talent to beat uconn and florida so we should win against vandy" thats what you said above. I simply pointed out that this team can beat a good team when they play well. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that getting the team ready to play is the coaches responsibility. Tennessee was certainly not ready to play Vandy. One would not necessarily expect to beat Vandy on their floor, the home court advantage is about 10 points. But there is no excuse for this performance. It is hard to imagine what the hell the coaching staff was doing between the UC game and the Vandy game. To put in a performance like they did against Vandy. And all Martin could say was it was a good lesson for his team. He has used that line a good deal. With real coaches the lessons come in practice and when they walk on the floor they should be ready to give a lesson to the other team. You can give a lesson without winning the game if you compete. This team did not compete against Vandy and that my friend is a failure of the coaching staff. Pearls team lost at SC one year and my wife and I rode the bus and attended the game. It was a pretty good effort but we came up short. Peal came out after the game and spoke to the fans who had traveled and appoligized for their failure to gives us a win. I don't think Martin takes any responibility for this teams failure. I don't know if he really cares if he wins or loses. It may be that he thinks in the long run he is going to recruit top players and be successful or he may think what the hell im getting rich coach here and I'm going to have 4 or 5 years no matter how good or bad I do. I would like to see him take responsibility for his teams effort the way Pearl did and to show that he really gives a f if they win or lose.

you are calling martin a fake coach for starters here. you then dedcide that martin doesnt take enough reponsibility for losses and therefore this makes him not a good person in your mind. you then question if he even cares about winning so now you are questioning his motivation and ethics.

I don't explain it. Pearls last season in my opinion was a failure. His team was not ready to play in several games in which they should have been much more competitive.
But even at that he did a better job than Coach Martin has this year. You don't have to be a genius to recoginize that there is no comparison between the two coaches accomplishments and no matter what you say about Pearl if you don't recognize that no other coach has come close to his accomplishment at UT then you just aren't dealing with reality. Maybe Martin will work out, I hope he does, I have great respect for him as a person. It is admirable that he has overcome cancer. And I can understand that after facing death wining basketball games may not be something for him to be that excited about. I have major doubts about his ability to coach and that is based upon what he has done this year. Personally I like Martin a lot, I thought Buzz was a wonderful person and I liked Wade Houston but these fellows were not successful coaches at Tennessee no matter how you cut it.

once again insinuating that he is not a good enough coach in your mind

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The only remark I made about a player was a 5 11 guard that I said might be small for the SEC unless he is really quick. And from this you attribute the statement that Martin cannot recruit. I said that this team does not seem to be in as good condition as Pearls teams based on the fact that in several games Tennessee folded at the end and lost the game. But you said that I said Martin could not motivate. I once told a women "you have gained a little weight" she then turned to my wife and said "willieboy(notmyrealname) said I'm fat". And of course I did not say anything of the sort. That is a womens logic, perhaps you are a girl. Why don't you learn that words have meanings and don't put words in other peoples mouths just because you disagree with them. That is childish behavior. Now you can continue with this behavior, being a child, if you wish, but the truth is the truth and you and I both know it. Making up stuff will not change it. I have serious doubts about Martin's ability to coach on an SEC level, I hope he can, but so far I have not been too encouraged. That is not in the same ballpark as saying Martin cannot coach.

you also have yet to comment on the fact that multiple ex players for pearl came out and said that martins practices are much harder and much more INTENSE than pearl's ever were. please im very excited to hear how you spin this?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

you know something else thats very funny, you continue to criticize martins ability to have these guys in shape and even stated that pearl would have his guys playing 40 minutes. do you realize pearl played a 10 man rotation and many times even 11? nobody averaged 30+ minutes under pearl anytime recently, we have 2 guys on this team averaging over 30 minutes per game and play a 9 man rotation. of course though, you wouldnt have ever thought of this because this would mean that someone besides the almighty bruce was actually capable of getting guys into great shape.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I definitely agree that last year's team was not up to snuff. Then we lost the best two players from that team, and you complain that we are not good. That is something I take issue with.

i am quickly realizing rationalization is something that doesnt exist with this guy. he is insisting this team is loaded with talent yet pearl had this exact team add a nba pf, a guy who was a 1st round nba lock, and 2 post men who are tearing it up over sea's and couldnt even make it out of the first round of the ncaa, in fact was embarassed.

 

[johnnybravo]

for craps and giggles we'll say the ncaa allowed pearl to stay, this is what you have.

golden/mcbee
mcbee/juco
tatum/juco
maymon/walk on
hall/juco

woolridge and mcrae were both gone, there is no promise that hopson would have stayed if pearl was here. he may have or he may not have remember he did think that he was a 1st round lock so he probably goes. sure pearl will bring in a couple guys right? oh wait no he wont he's not allowed to recruit remember? so you bring in a scrub or 2 juco ok. this team would win 5 games, are you serious. also, please try and realize that golden probably doesnt put in the work he did if pearl is here, and isnt what he's been this year.

Seriously, you can't let it rest. Willie is just the flavor of the week for you. You have to institute and argue with everyone every single week about Pearl's faults and constantly blame him for how terrible our current team plays. You just continuously drag him down. Let some fans be Pearl lovers without continuously trying to dog him and them week in and week out. If someone comments on Pearl then just let it go!!! You will be much happier not having to hang out in a forum day in and day out arguing with someone new about the same old topics all the time. You will not get a response back from me on this subject, so no need to even comment and try to drap me in.....Just think about it and let it go. It will be good for you and our forum will be a MUCH happier place.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

In the first place I didn't say we have "we have enough talent to beat uconn and florida so we should win against vandy" thats what you said above. I simply pointed out that this team can beat a good team when they play well. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that getting the team ready to play is the coaches responsibility. Tennessee was certainly not ready to play Vandy. One would not necessarily expect to beat Vandy on their floor, the home court advantage is about 10 points. But there is no excuse for this performance. It is hard to imagine what the hell the coaching staff was doing between the UC game and the Vandy game. To put in a performance like they did against Vandy. And all Martin could say was it was a good lesson for his team. He has used that line a good deal. With real coaches the lessons come in practice and when they walk on the floor they should be ready to give a lesson to the other team. You can give a lesson without winning the game if you compete. This team did not compete against Vandy and that my friend is a failure of the coaching staff. Pearls team lost at SC one year and my wife and I rode the bus and attended the game. It was a pretty good effort but we came up short. Peal came out after the game and spoke to the fans who had traveled and appoligized for their failure to gives us a win. I don't think Martin takes any responibility for this teams failure. I don't know if he really cares if he wins or loses. It may be that he thinks in the long run he is going to recruit top players and be successful or he may think what the hell im getting rich coach here and I'm going to have 4 or 5 years no matter how good or bad I do. I would like to see him take responsibility for his teams effort the way Pearl did and to show that he really gives a f if they win or lose.

Bruce sure had is guys up to play against CoC, Oakland, and Michigan in the tournament last year... Oh never mind.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

Seriously, you can't let it rest. Willie is just the flavor of the week for you. You have to institute and argue with everyone every single week about Pearl's faults and constantly blame him for how terrible our current team plays. You just continuously drag him down. Let some fans be Pearl lovers without continuously trying to dog him and them week in and week out. If someone comments on Pearl then just let it go!!! You will be much happier not having to hang out in a forum day in and day out arguing with someone new about the same old topics all the time. You will not get a response back from me on this subject, so no need to even comment and try to drap me in.....Just think about it and let it go. It will be good for you and our forum will be a MUCH happier place.

Johnny, same could be said for people like Willie who constantly criticize Martin, don't you think?

 

[johnnybravo]

Johnny, same could be said for people like Willie who constantly criticize Martin, don't you think?

I think Martin is our coach right now and deserves the criticism that goes along with the job. He's the one making the million plus each year. He gets the criticism when we play like we played against Vandy and the praise when we play like we played against UCONN.

 

[knowthevols]

When Pearl yelled in the game it was almost always calling out offensive plays or defensive sets. Pearl was an offensive genius he had a knack for seeing what the opponent was doing and runing a play to take advantage of it. One analyst during the game said "Pearl can take his players and beat you or he can take your players and beat you."Martin runs a motion offense 90% of the time rarely calling a play. Now thats not a bad thing in itself. The motion offensive has been run by a lot of great coaches, Bob Knight for instance. But if you are running a motion offense and the players are standing around while the point guard dribbles the ball into a trap and turns it over that is just poor coaching. I really hope that in season 2014-15 someone like So Car picks up Pearl as their coach.

I hope like hell that South Carolina doesn't pick up Pearl and we have to face them every year.

 

[knowthevols]

Willie,I don't know what you're watching but I haven't seen anything resembling a motion offense this year.
Martin doesn't have players with the BB IQ to run it.
I've thought at times it was some kind of hybrid veiled continuation offense with a few set plays.
whatever it is it ain't motion, or not a motion I've ever seen played.

It's called street ball.