Would expansion ruin Tennessee's run to win the east in 2012#

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I don't want to be a negavol, but I think that if FSU and Clemson was to join the SEC that it would highly minimize our chances to win the east because the noles aren't no push over team. Even with Clemson always being overrated u still can't count them out.
 
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Blood_Runs_Orange said:
I don't want to be a negavol, but I think that if FSU and Clemson was to join the SEC that it would highly minimize our chances to win the east because the noles aren't no push over team. Even with Clemson always being overrated u still can't count them out.
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No, you can count Clemson out. They're another team that we'd have to worry about handing us a loss, but they're not a team that's going to win the conference.
 
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Tennessee will be fine in expansion. In fact, we have a lot to gain from it. We wouldn't be any worse affected than any other team in 2012. Its not like we'd be playing FSU as a conference while Flordia keeps them as non-conference.

Just don't expect to see any more Oklahoma / Nebraska / Ohio State OOC games on the schedule again. In fact, Nebraska, Oklahoma and OSU might all disappear from the schedule before played. I wouldn't be suprised if everyone across the country super conferences up, then pair by pair agree to mutually drop their toughest OOC games that are more than 2 years away.
 
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if you have 4 teams join then you almost have to break it into 4 divisions. You'd play 3 teams in division then a rotation of five teams from the other divisions.

If it goes two 8 team divisions then N/S makes as much sense as E/W.

North: MU, UK, Ark, Vandy, UT, Clemson, UGA, and Bama

OTOH, they could toss the regional aspect which would make it easier to keep the "tradition" games togther:

Div 1: Bama, UT, Aub, UK, UGA, Vandy, Clem, USCe
Div 2: UF, FSU, LSU, Ark, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou
 
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sjt18 said:
if you have 4 teams join then you almost have to break it into 4 divisions. You'd play 3 teams in division then a rotation of five teams from the other divisions.

If it goes two 8 team divisions then N/S makes as much sense as E/W.

North: MU, UK, Ark, Vandy, UT, Clemson, UGA, and Bama

OTOH, they could toss the regional aspect which would make it easier to keep the "tradition" games togther:

Div 1: Bama, UT, Aub, UK, UGA, Vandy, Clem, USCe
Div 2: UF, FSU, LSU, Ark, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou
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Of course, in your attempt to keep tradition games together, you lost the Party That Has Nothing to Do with Cocktails or Alcohol of Any Kind. IMO, there's no way to do two eight-team divisions and make it okay.
 
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sjt18 said:
if you have 4 teams join then you almost have to break it into 4 divisions. You'd play 3 teams in division then a rotation of five teams from the other divisions.

If it goes two 8 team divisions then N/S makes as much sense as E/W.

North: MU, UK, Ark, Vandy, UT, Clemson, UGA, and Bama

OTOH, they could toss the regional aspect which would make it easier to keep the "tradition" games togther:

Div 1: Bama, UT, Aub, UK, UGA, Vandy, Clem, USCe
Div 2: UF, FSU, LSU, Ark, A&M, Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou
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I think it would have to be 2 8 team divisions because unless the NCAA rulebook has changed I think a conference can only play 1 additional playoff game if you have a 12 team conference. The whole point of expansion in 1992 was to get to 12 teams to exploit this rule.
 
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I'd like to see how we build on last year before I start hyping 2012. I still think it'll be a big year for the program, but let's not automatically pencil in losses based on how things MIGHT shape up.
 
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Incipient said:
Of course, in your attempt to keep tradition games together, you lost the Party That Has Nothing to Do with Cocktails or Alcohol of Any Kind. IMO, there's no way to do two eight-team divisions and make it okay.
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I have to give you credit Incipient, you were the first to mention a modification of the old school WAC pod system, and I think its the best way too. You can keep the balance of power, rivalries and OOC without any issues if you are loose with non-in state Geopgraphy and have a single out of pod permanent rivalry and just rotate the others without regard to pod on the rotation.

Put UT, Bama and Auburn in the same Pod brings back a traditional rivalry as well. Or give two permanent out of Pods and rotate the other two.

UT, UA, AU, Vandy.
UF, FSU, GA, Missou.
Clemson, Ark, USC, Kentucky.
Ole, MSU, LSU, aTm.

or

UT, Vandy, SC, Clemson / VT / UNC.
UF, FSU, GA, KY.
AU, Bama, OM, MSU
LSU,ARK,aTM, Mizzou.

Notice I've ignored Tennesse - Kentucky. Yes, I would like the auto-win forever, but am willing to take the foot off of their throat for the greater good of the SEC.
 
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Incipient said:
Of course, in your attempt to keep tradition games together, you lost the Party That Has Nothing to Do with Cocktails or Alcohol of Any Kind. IMO, there's no way to do two eight-team divisions and make it okay.
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Swap UGA and Mizzou. UGa's natural rivalry games are UF and Aub anyway.
 
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Blood_Runs_Orange said:
I don't want to be a negavol, but I think that if FSU and Clemson was to join the SEC that it would highly minimize our chances to win the east because the noles aren't no push over team. Even with Clemson always being overrated u still can't count them out.
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Georgia Tech thru the last few years have been able to handle both the Noles and Tigers.
 
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GAVol said:
I keep seeing this over and over again and I just don't get the logic.
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The thinking is--with which I agree--is that Tennessee won't be able to recruit as well. Right now our biggest selling point is that you can play in the SEC, see Dalton Santos. That leverage is gone if teams like A&M or FSU are actually in the SEC. Expansion wouldn't hurt as much if we are only adding teams like Mizzou and Clemson; its the "big boys" joining that could really make it difficult for Tennesee to get back to elite status. This year on the field could really help or hurt as far as getting the true recruiting mojo back that existed back in the day.
 
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2 eight team divisions. 12 games is the max, unless you play hawaii in the regular season. 1 playoff game per conference for the title. east and west divisions, with a&m and missouri in the west.
 
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Blood_Runs_Orange said:
I don't want to be a negavol, but I think that if FSU and Clemson was to join the SEC that it would highly minimize our chances to win the east because the noles aren't no push over team. Even with Clemson always being overrated u still can't count them out.
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I think it would relegate us to Ole Miss status. Don't know why everyone wants this to happen. It's beyond me
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I actually expect to see further realignment everywhere. In the end there will be 4 "super" 16 team conferences. Which ones survive is anyone's guess. Since the Big 10 has 12 and the Big 12 has 10 (soon to be 9 ?), it is already a Royal Mongolian Wesson Oil Party. Some schools are going to miss the boat. I would not be surprised to see Vandy replaced (NC ?) and encouraged to go to the FCS where they could thrive. Others will face the same challenges. There might even be a resulting 2nd tier between the "Big 64" and FCS. Who knows?
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I actually expect to see further realignment everywhere. In the end there will be 4 "super" 16 team conferences. Which ones survive is anyone's guess. Since the Big 10 has 12 and the Big 12 has 10 (soon to be 9 ?), it is already a Royal Mongolian Wesson Oil Party. Some schools are going to miss the boat. I would not be surprised to see Vandy replaced (NC ?) and encouraged to go to the FCS where they could thrive. Others will face the same challenges. There might even be a resulting 2nd tier between the "Big 64" and FCS. Who knows?
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There already is 2 teirs in college football.

The SEC is simply expanding membership into the first. :)
 
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bhuff_32 said:
The thinking is--with which I agree--is that Tennessee won't be able to recruit as well. Right now our biggest selling point is that you can play in the SEC, see Dalton Santos. That leverage is gone if teams like A&M or FSU are actually in the SEC. Expansion wouldn't hurt as much if we are only adding teams like Mizzou and Clemson; its the "big boys" joining that could really make it difficult for Tennesee to get back to elite status. This year on the field could really help or hurt as far as getting the true recruiting mojo back that existed back in the day.
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I think people are making way too much out of Santos saying he'd like to play in the SEC. Players don't commit to conferences. This will not affect our mojo whatsoever.
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hallowed_hill said:
I think people are making way too much out of Santos saying he'd like to play in the SEC. Players don't commit to conferences. This will not affect our mojo whatsoever.
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They are making way too much of a big deal.

It makes a minor difference for Florida and Texas kids who don't get into their first choice schools there and have to go out of state anyway. It also makes a minor difference for kids that want to go Out of State in deciding where out of state to go.

It helps us against Ohio State and Michigan in Florida and Texas a very little bit.

A kid in Texas is going to Texas or A&M if they cna get in unless they just don't want to stay in Texas.
 
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