Would expansion ruin Tennessee's run to win the east in 2012#

#51
#51
OrangeByBirth said:
I would also hate to lose the 'Bama game every year. However, none of us knows how the divisions will end up.
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With 8 team divisions preserving the Bama series would be impossible because you only have one slot for a rotating out of division game after you play the other 7 in you own division. It could possibly be worked out with 4 team divisions, but I imagine it would end that way as well because you would just have so many opponents that have to rotate. When your conference is so big that you can only play half the teams each year, its tough to have those yearly rivalries like we've become accustomed to.
 
#52
#52
You guys who are saying "9 SEC games a year" are delusional. That would leave you with 4 home games and 5 road games some years and the other way around some years. The PAC-10 is doing that this year as Colorado has 4 home and 5 road games... that symmetry is weird and not GOOD for college football. I expect it'll be 8 or 10 games.
 
#53
#53
It really isn't difficult to understand what will happen and I am surprised most haven't mentioned it. When we go to 16 teams we will go to 10 conference games. Trust me on this. I personally would love to see it because you play two extra quality teams instead of the UAB's and Montana's of the world. More in conference games also starts new rivalries. Just wait and see us go to 10 conference games though.
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#54
#54
Brianchevy said:
You guys who are saying "9 SEC games a year" are delusional. That would leave you with 4 home games and 5 road games some years and the other way around some years. The PAC-10 is doing that this year as Colorado has 4 home and 5 road games... that symmetry is weird and not GOOD for college football. I expect it'll be 8 or 10 games.
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For a number of years that happened in the SEC when they went from 6 to 7 conference games back in the 80s.
 
#55
#55
The Pac-10 has had 9 conference games for several years now. The Big 12-2 is doing it this year. Isn't unprecedented.
 
#58
#58
VolInsider said:
This isn't hard...

Add TAMU and Mizzou to the West.
Add Clemson and F$U to the East (or VT and NCSt, which I think would be better).

7 division games
+1 traditional cross-divisional game (Bama for us)
+1 rotating cross-divisional opponent on two year home-and-home basis
+3 out-of-conference games (instead of the current 4)
=12 regular season games

still have 2 divisions and 1 championship game...
...until the NCAA approves divisional "semifinal" play.
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If you did that then the home-and-homes with the cross division opponets would be a decade apart. I don't think teams in the same conference should ever go a decade without playing each other.
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#60
#60
Escape Goat said:
I am very aware everyone has to deal with the same thing. Maybe you are right, I'm just having a hard time not seeing how this doesn't hurt us badly. If we have the right coaches, and if they can turn it up a few notches recruiting wise, it really shouldn't be an issue.
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I see recruiting as moot. AnM will still just recruit Texas. Have to wait and see who the other is.
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#61
#61
I asked this somewhere else but I will ask this again could we not get the NCAA allow for 13 games a year allowing us to keep the rotationals and out of conference pretty much the same. Next question how many texas players have we gotten in the past?
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#62
#62
Blood_Runs_Orange said:
I don't want to be a negavol, but I think that if FSU and Clemson was to join the SEC that it would highly minimize our chances to win the east because the noles aren't no push over team. Even with Clemson always being overrated u still can't count them out.
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you're not negative, it is the truth. If clemson and fsu join the east it will a bad thing for us. eventhough we relish the competition the run for an east title is a little tougher.
 
#63
#63
I love the doom and gloom over pure SPECULATION. I think it's stupid to think about but since you reeled me in, I'll reward you with some passing thoughts.

1. The only teams that could keep us from winning the SEC in 2012 with or without expansion is Alabama and Oklahoma.

2. The only way we don't win the East is if; A) Tennessee is moved to the West. B) Alabama and Auburn are moved to the East and our competitiors in the division are Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt and I'm not sure that combination could keep us away from a division title.

3. Division championship? I'm more focused on the possibilities of winning the BCS Championship.
 
#64
#64
FACT: Winning a division championship is harder when there are 8 teams in the division instead of 6.
 
#65
#65
volfan_28 said:
I love the doom and gloom over pure SPECULATION. I think it's stupid to think about but since you reeled me in, I'll reward you with some passing thoughts.

1. The only teams that could keep us from winning the SEC in 2012 with or without expansion is Alabama and Oklahoma.

2. The only way we don't win the East is if; A) Tennessee is moved to the West. B) Alabama and Auburn are moved to the East and our competitiors in the division are Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt and I'm not sure that combination could keep us away from a division title.

3. Division championship? I'm more focused on the possibilities of winning the BCS Championship.
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I think you need to divert some of that focus to keeping your expectations under control.
 
#66
#66
volfan_28 said:
I love the doom and gloom over pure SPECULATION. I think it's stupid to think about but since you reeled me in, I'll reward you with some passing thoughts.

1. The only teams that could keep us from winning the SEC in 2012 with or without expansion is Alabama and Oklahoma.

2. The only way we don't win the East is if; A) Tennessee is moved to the West. B) Alabama and Auburn are moved to the East and our competitiors in the division are Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt and I'm not sure that combination could keep us away from a division title.

3. Division championship? I'm more focused on the possibilities of winning the BCS Championship.
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You have to keep in mind that the past couple years those who have won the sec have went on to the bcs game, but my whole question was. If Clemson and fsu join are our chances slimming I believe they are because the recruiting edge they have and if we don't get to sec we def don't get to bcs
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#67
#67
We already need to beat the likes of Florida, Alabama and LSU to win the conference. None of the teams on the list to potentially join are better than them, annually. So,to me, expansion has no significant effect on us in a negative way.

If anything, I think it helps. Our own division would be the focus. In an 8 team division, we play all other 7. Then we have a partner in the other (Bama) and 4 non-conf games. We'd never play LSU, Auburn, etc until the SEC Title game.
 
#69
#69
VOLNPA said:
We already need to beat the likes of Florida, Alabama and LSU to win the conference. None of the teams on the list to potentially join are better than them, annually. So,to me, expansion has no significant effect on us in a negative way.

If anything, I think it helps. Our own division would be the focus. In an 8 team division, we play all other 7. Then we have a partner in the other (Bama) and 4 non-conf games. We'd never play LSU, Auburn, etc until the SEC Title game.
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As I have thought about this today, including 4 divisions, this two division solution makes the most sense and it still allows for an interesting out of conference schedule.
 
#70
#70
Aavoxx said:
We may not need the NCAA anymore with 4 sixteen team conferences...

If you had four conferences of that size get together and say "this is how we're going to do it" what's the NCAA going to say about?
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The weird part of all this is...my dad has been telling me for a decade this would happen. He's a smart, savvy business type and predicted 3-5 mega-conferences a LONG time ago. In his version though, the Vanderbilts of the world get the boot. These conferneces would be elite teams only with the lessers actually forming their own division. I always told him he was full of crap and that it could never happen. Nebraska was apparently step 1. Tex am COULD BE STEP 2. It'll be interesting to follow...
 
#73
#73
TheVolunteer said:
Expansion will definitely make winning the East a challenge, but its already a challenge as it currently sits. If anything, expansion will make recruiting alot harder. Because which ever teams do join the SEC, it makes those teams much more appealing because players will have an opportunity to play in the SEC. That was something that used to work in our favor regarding recruiting.
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Very well put. Fewer prospects will leave their respective states to come play for the vols, because their schools will be that much more appealing, being in the SEC now. This is especially true in South Carolina and Florida where we recruit a lot. And this will make the fact that the state of tennessee is weak in D1 talent even more detremental since we rely on out of state recruiting.
 
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