Would expansion ruin Tennessee's run to win the east in 2012#

#26
#26
How about just have no divisions and the top 2 teams play in the Championship? Easy to maintain all tradtional rivalries that way. You could have 3-4 teams that you play each year and play the rest round-robin. I think this would be the funnest system. If we get to keep Alabama, Florida, UK, and Vandy, I'd be very happy.
 
#27
#27
WesternKyVol said:
How about just have no divisions and the top 2 teams play in the Championship? Easy to maintain all tradtional rivalries that way. You could have 3-4 teams that you play each year and play the rest round-robin. I think this would be the funnest system. If we get to keep Alabama, Florida, UK, and Vandy, I'd be very happy.
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I don't know if the NCAA would allow it, but it's not a bad proposal.
 
#28
#28
This isn't hard...

Add TAMU and Mizzou to the West.
Add Clemson and F$U to the East (or VT and NCSt, which I think would be better).

7 division games
+1 traditional cross-divisional game (Bama for us)
+1 rotating cross-divisional opponent on two year home-and-home basis
+3 out-of-conference games (instead of the current 4)
=12 regular season games

still have 2 divisions and 1 championship game...
...until the NCAA approves divisional "semifinal" play.
 
#31
#31
No, in fact it would likely help us because it would very possibly mean the end of a yearly UT/Bama matchup. With 8 team divisions there will only be room for one rotating game on the schedule which would mean we'd only see Bama twice every 16 years. It really sucks to think about losing that rivalry, but from a competition standpoint we might be helped out a bit.
 
#32
#32
We should invite USC and Oregon over too. Maybe the Canes, Virginia Tech, Michigan, and Ohio State. Seems logical.
 
#34
#34
Expansion will definitely make winning the East a challenge, but its already a challenge as it currently sits. If anything, expansion will make recruiting alot harder. Because which ever teams do join the SEC, it makes those teams much more appealing because players will have an opportunity to play in the SEC. That was something that used to work in our favor regarding recruiting.
 
#35
#35
It has to be two divisions, if we have four divisions with a two round playoff system, it would almost be impossible to go undefeated and get into the BCS championship game. I think two divisions would work fine, play everyone in your division and play either one or two cross divisional games and keep the same championship format we have now.
 
#36
#36
UTC Vol Fan said:
It has to be two divisions, if we have four divisions with a two round playoff system, it would almost be impossible to go undefeated and get into the BCS championship game. I think two divisions would work fine, play everyone in your division and play either one or two cross divisional games and keep the same championship format we have now.
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Divisions of 8 leaves room for only 1 cross divisional game. That means all the teams will have to rotate and the yearly UT/Bama, UGA/AU, and LSU/UF games will all become casualties of this money grab. No thanks.
 
#37
#37
TheVolunteer said:
Expansion will definitely make winning the East a challenge, but its already a challenge as it currently sits. If anything, expansion will make recruiting alot harder. Because which ever teams do join the SEC, it makes those teams much more appealing because players will have an opportunity to play in the SEC. That was something that used to work in our favor regarding recruiting.
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I don't see this at all, I don't think it changes anything, FSU has already been recuriting at a level above ours and Clemson has basically been recruiting similar to us in the past few years. It may help Texas A&M, but look at our roster and see how many Texas players are currently on it.

The only thing I could see is maybe it would help Clemson go into Georgia and try get some of our targets.
 
#38
#38
VolInsider said:
This isn't hard...

Add TAMU and Mizzou to the West.
Add Clemson and F$U to the East (or VT and NCSt, which I think would be better).

7 division games
+1 traditional cross-divisional game (Bama for us)
+1 rotating cross-divisional opponent on two year home-and-home basis
+3 out-of-conference games (instead of the current 4)
=12 regular season games

still have 2 divisions and 1 championship game...
...until the NCAA approves divisional "semifinal" play.
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Do that and you play teams in the other division twice every fourteen years. At that point, is it even still the same conference?
 
#39
#39
UTC Vol Fan said:
I don't see this at all, I don't think it changes anything, FSU has already been recuriting at a level above ours and Clemson has basically been recruiting similar to us in the past few years. It may help Texas A&M, but look at our roster and see how many Texas players are currently on it.

The only thing I could see is maybe it would help Clemson go into Georgia and try get some of our targets.
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Im just saying being able to play in the SEC was something that has worked in our favor in the past.
 
#40
#40
DjCrenshaw said:
How is that?
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I just think it's too much to deal with. Possible games against Fl, Ga, bama, FSU, USCjr, etc etc. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but this conference is too tough as is, without adding more teams. FSU is already a powerhouse. Imagine what they will be in the SEC.
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#41
#41
I agree, I don't think this helps us at all. Just going to make it that much harder to get back to the top.
 
#42
#42
A 16 team SEC is stupid IMO. If 4 legitimate teams joins the conference, it would be hard for any team to go undefeated meaning it would be hard for us to go to the national championship game. The SEC is perfect the way it is. Not to mention how it would effect recruiting for Tennessee. With a lack of in-state talent for Tennessee, it would be hard to go into other states and steal talent with if teams like FSU and Clemson joined.
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#43
#43
Escape Goat said:
I just think it's too much to deal with. Possible games against Fl, Ga, bama, FSU, USCjr, etc etc. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but this conference is too tough as is, without adding more teams. FSU is already a powerhouse. Imagine what they will be in the SEC.
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But everyone else has to deal with the same thing. You can't have Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, etc all suddenly at the level of Kentucky or Ole Miss.
 
#44
#44
GAVol said:
I think it would have to be 2 8 team divisions because unless the NCAA rulebook has changed I think a conference can only play 1 additional playoff game if you have a 12 team conference. The whole point of expansion in 1992 was to get to 12 teams to exploit this rule.
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We may not need the NCAA anymore with 4 sixteen team conferences...

If you had four conferences of that size get together and say "this is how we're going to do it" what's the NCAA going to say about?
 
#45
#45
theutvolunteers said:
Step off the crazy train. Some of you sell UT way short with that mindset.
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Got a lifetime boarding pass as a gift when I was born. I want to believe it won't impact the Vols as much as I think it will. Hope I am just selling them way too short. I love the Vols more than anything that is not human on earth. GBO!!!
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#46
#46
jewishreggae said:
We should invite USC and Oregon over too. Maybe the Canes, Virginia Tech, Michigan, and Ohio State. Seems logical.
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I was thinking maybe we could add the Patriots, and Titans as well since it's not that big of a deal.
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#47
#47
rockytop9808 said:
Sir stick-up-the-arse has said the same thing over and over. It is best to ignore the troll.
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Whatever you have to say to make you sleep better at night. I'm a troll, that's rich. Take your own advice and ignore me.
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#48
#48
Aavoxx said:
We may not need the NCAA anymore with 4 sixteen team conferences...

If you had four conferences of that size get together and say "this is how we're going to do it" what's the NCAA going to say about?
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And THAT is the real target...
 
#49
#49
bleedorange0037 said:
No, in fact it would likely help us because it would very possibly mean the end of a yearly UT/Bama matchup. With 8 team divisions there will only be room for one rotating game on the schedule which would mean we'd only see Bama twice every 16 years. It really sucks to think about losing that rivalry, but from a competition standpoint we might be helped out a bit.
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I would also hate to lose the 'Bama game every year. However, none of us knows how the divisions will end up.
 
#50
#50
Incipient said:
But everyone else has to deal with the same thing. You can't have Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, etc all suddenly at the level of Kentucky or Ole Miss.
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I am very aware everyone has to deal with the same thing. Maybe you are right, I'm just having a hard time not seeing how this doesn't hurt us badly. If we have the right coaches, and if they can turn it up a few notches recruiting wise, it really shouldn't be an issue.
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