Wow I am suprised about all the negative posters here.

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HomeGrownVol said:
Sorry then - UT is awful. Pearl is a trainwreck. We should bring in Roy Williams. He loves our tradition and is a fool for going somewhere else - especially UNC

I'm glad so many posters on here dislike success. If we were Kentucky we could complain about not making it to at least the elite 8. But, the next time we make it will be the first. Pearl has given us the best chance at that.

I do like how many on here come to simply bash. Sorry to attempt to bring optimism. Why try to support something when it is so easy to make fun of it.....well have fun bashing this post too - the short time I've been on this thread proves that it is coming...
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So, do you think it is acceptable to consistently look like 100% crap in the halfcourt on both sides of the ball? How does the teams' play in tournaments make you feel? That is all tournaments, preseason, NCAA and SEC.
 
#28
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HomeGrownVol said:
Sorry then - UT is awful. Pearl is a trainwreck. We should bring in Roy Williams. He loves our tradition and is a fool for going somewhere else - especially UNC

I'm glad so many posters on here dislike success. If we were Kentucky we could complain about not making it to at least the elite 8. But, the next time we make it will be the first. Pearl has given us the best chance at that.

I do like how many on here come to simply bash. Sorry to attempt to bring optimism. Why try to support something when it is so easy to make fun of it.....well have fun bashing this post too - the short time I've been on this thread proves that it is coming...
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Nothing you have said diminishes the fact that all of his teams have had very similar and very glaring weaknesses. Until those get better and we can start winning the big possessions regularly, we will continue to struggle in tight games and big games.

Optimism doesn't have to be blind to the fact that there are things our current staff does not do well. Everyone here wants to win just as badly as you do and not all are willing to take the complacent view that you have. We all approach the world differently. Deal with it.
 
#29
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BigPapaVol said:
I certainly wish I had some experience from which to draw my opinions, but, alas, I only get to guess. As to your comment about the crowd, that's just senseless. I root for the Vols loudly every time I'm at any of their games, regardless of sport. What I do or don't say on this board has absolutely nothing to do with the crowd. Maybe that's conceptually tough for you to reconcile, but it's reality.

Your reasoning and facts simply make no sense. Try something different.
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Sorry to bring confusion. The facts I used were:

1) Pearl has the best winning percentage of any coach in our history.
2) Pearl took us to our first ever #1 ranking
3) We are acting like we have this great tradition that demands NC when we've never made it to the elite 8
4) Pearl has consistently brought in 4 and 5 star athletes

Now, I'm not saying he is the greatest coach. I also get frustrated watch us lose close games. I definitely think we can and should improve. However, I do thnk Pearl is good for this team and has brought us to a place that we have never been before. I think that is true based on opinion (which we all have) and fact (see above). Sorry to offend so many people by suggesting that our coach is doing a good job
 
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I love it when some people come here to paint with a broad brush and claim that people who point out where Pearl has failed aren't satisfied with any aspect of his tenure. Some here like Pearl others dislike him. I believe all will tell you he has been successful at UT but the simple fact is that at this point he has failed to deliver an option at PG that can take you to the next level. Until he does this and gets this team to play better on D it's fair criticism IMO.
 
#31
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HomeGrownVol said:
Sorry to bring confusion. The facts I used were:

1) Pearl has the best winning percentage of any coach in our history.
2) Pearl took us to our first ever #1 ranking
3) We are acting like we have this great tradition that demands NC when we've never made it to the elite 8
4) Pearl has consistently brought in 4 and 5 star athletes

Now, I'm not saying he is the greatest coach. I also get frustrated watch us lose close games. I definitely think we can and should improve. However, I do thnk Pearl is good for this team and has brought us to a place that we have never been before. I think that is true based on opinion (which we all have) and fact (see above). Sorry to offend so many people by suggesting that our coach is doing a good job
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2) Didn't mean a damn thing when Louisville kicked UT's ass in tourney, or when they lost to Arky in the SEC tourney
3) Find one poster amongst those you so eloquently called out who has ever set the expectation level at National Championship
4) And how many competent point guards has he recruited.
 
#32
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emainvol said:
So, do you think it is acceptable to consistently look like 100% crap in the halfcourt on both sides of the ball? How does the teams' play in tournaments make you feel? That is all tournaments, preseason, NCAA and SEC.
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I feel awful about how we play in tournaments. I hate that we just lost to Purdue and I hate that we lost last year in the SEC Championship game. I do demand more from this team in regards to finishing. However, we are like UK football in many ways. We don't have a great history of winning. I'm not saying that we should be happy with where we are but I am saying it takes a while to become winners. I am encouraged that we made it to the SEC Championship (although the conference was down). We hadn't been there in over a decade.

Again, I'm not a homer or blindly following Pearl. I am, however, happy with the direction we are going. Is it taking longer than I'd like, yes. But is it going in a positive direction, yes - in my opnion.
 
#33
#33
Those who whine tend to forget or wasn't around during the hard times of UT basketball...About 20 years worth...We finally got a good coach who is a fantastic recruiter and people are still moaning and groaning...Some of you sound like spoiled brat Kentucky fans...We have it good compared to what it used to be...So enjoy it
 
#34
#34
HomeGrownVol said:
Sorry to bring confusion. The facts I used were:

1) Pearl has the best winning percentage of any coach in our history.
Who cares, this isn't about our history. It's about our future. It's a really weak argument to prop up this staff by comparing them to the dreck of our past.
2) Pearl took us to our first ever #1 ranking
And that was great, but in the end, meant very little.
3) We are acting like we have this great tradition that demands NC when we've never made it to the elite 8
no we aren't. We're talking about what it takes to get to the next level, rather than wallowing in our past and bragging that we've now surpassed where we once were.
4) Pearl has consistently brought in 4 and 5 star athletes
and for that, he is to be commended. There has been a shady element, but he has brought in better talent than what we've been accustomed to. He now needs to employ that talent well or begin recruiting tougher players to play in his system.

Now, I'm not saying he is the greatest coach. I also get frustrated watch us lose close games. I definitely think we can and should improve. However, I do thnk Pearl is good for this team and has brought us to a place that we have never been before. I think that is true based on opinion (which we all have) and fact (see above). Sorry to offend so many people by suggesting that our coach is doing a good job
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See bold.

Nobody is saying that the man hasn't been great for this program. As for me, I'm saying there are things that he simply doesn't demand of his players and I hope it changes, soon.
 
#35
#35
You can get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking your head up a butcher's ....
 
#36
#36
VOLnMiami said:
Those who whine tend to forget or wasn't around during the hard times of UT basketball...About 20 years worth...We finally got a good coach who is a fantastic recruiter and people are still moaning and groaning...Some of you sound like spoiled brat Kentucky fans...We have it good compared to what it used to be...So enjoy it
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Sounds very Vanderbilt to me, rather than the Kentucky comparison you tried to draw.

Personally, I'd rather have the Kentucky problem of high expectations than the Vandy problem of institutional sorriness.
 
#37
#37
When UK starts paying their football staff "elite" money, like UT does Pearl, then they should have higher expectations.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
See bold.

Nobody is saying that the man hasn't been great for this program. As for me, I'm saying there are things that he simply doesn't demand of his players and I hope it changes, soon.
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Said it better than I did. Sticking to my guns on the point guards. Is it bad that I just expect Golden to flop because of the track record so far?
 
#39
#39
emainvol said:
2) Didn't mean a damn thing when Louisville kicked UT's ass in tourney, or when they lost to Arky in the SEC tourney
3) Find one poster amongst those you so eloquently called out who has ever set the expectation level at National Championship
4) And how many competent point guards has he recruited.
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Couple things:

1) I didn't "call anyone out". If you read the posts I am the only one that people are ripping. I've only attempted to show facts.

2) Sadly we can't win every game. Louisville went into the game against us with a determination to win just like we did. A team had to lose and the team that was inferior did.

3) Point guards have been weak. Ramar was a 5 star that did not pan out. Pearl recruited him - who knew he would be such a wash. Apparently rivals and scout missed that one too. He had Shelby minus Nike - that is just the problem with basketball these days. We also have a strong commitment from a top '11 point guard.
 
#40
#40
HomeGrownVol said:
Couple things:

1) I didn't "call anyone out". If you read the posts I am the only one that people are ripping. I've only attempted to show facts.
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you simply avoided calling individuals out by name, but that doesn't make your assertion true. You very strongly called a bunch of posters here idiots for failing to bow at the shrine of our coach because our team no longer dwells in the basement.
 
#41
#41
emainvol said:
Is the search button broken in the basketball forum? Can we merge all this crap into one butthurt megathread?
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Its like a broken record. They never read the forum threads in the first place, obviously. Somehow, they keep on escaping from their village.
 
#42
#42
BigPapaVol said:
you simply avoided calling individuals out by name, but that doesn't make your assertion true. You very strongly called a bunch of posters here idiots for failing to bow at the shrine of our coach because our team no longer dwells in the basement.
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Well I reread my post to see your point. I did state my perspective which was in no way offensive which you responded calling it "retarded". hmmmmm.....

I'm sorry for being offensive. I do think it is a fair point to use winning percentage too and to say that he has been our best coach. I know that Pearl has won every where he's been, though. He has it in him to win Championships. But, there again, every team hopes and works hard to win so at level we won't always be happy.

Again, I'm not happy about losing. But, I am happy about where I think we are heading.

Finally, I am disappointed because it feels like the basketball part of this site is one that everyone has to walk around very carefully. If anyone ever supports the staff they are ridiculed. Even if you (being many not just you) disagree, that is ok. Maybe we could just share our disagreement in more of an agreeable way....? (ridicule me now because of this....)
 
#43
#43
HomeGrownVol said:
Well I reread my post to see your point. I did state my perspective which was in no way offensive which you responded calling it "retarded". hmmmmm.....

I'm sorry for being offensive. I do think it is a fair point to use winning percentage too and to say that he has been our best coach. I know that Pearl has won every where he's been, though. He has it in him to win Championships. But, there again, every team hopes and works hard to win so at level we won't always be happy.

Again, I'm not happy about losing. But, I am happy about where I think we are heading.

Finally, I am disappointed because it feels like the basketball part of this site is one that everyone has to walk around very carefully. If anyone ever supports the staff they are ridiculed. Even if you (being many not just you) disagree, that is ok. Maybe we could just share our disagreement in more of an agreeable way....? (ridicule me now because of this....)
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that's fair. I took your initial post as telling me I'm an idiot for taking issue with some of what I see in our coaching.

Now, was your initial post not sarcasm ridiculing those of us who dare ask for more?
 
#44
#44
BigPapaVol said:
that's fair. I took your initial post as telling me I'm an idiot for taking issue with some of what I see in our coaching.

Now, was your initial post not sarcasm ridiculing those of us who dare ask for more?
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It was sarcastic to those that are not simply asking for more but are demanding perfection. I think it is always appropriate to want more from teams. However, I do get frustrated when some harp on a team and the coach because "underachieving" and I quote it because they underachieve in the eyes of the beholder.

Now, granted, what would Pearl say but he was on TV before a recent game saying that he got everything out of last years team that was available.

I do think it is hard for anyone looking at our program as a whole to say that we are not going in a good direction. We are consistently winning 20+ games a year and always going to the NCAA tournament. I remember when it was some what exciting to go to the NIT. And, I don't mean to use our past failing to be happy with mediocricy but we are not mediocre to say the least.

My opinion is that we should expect more but also enjoy this ride of being a relevant basketball program which isn't the norm in UT history. Who knows, maybe this is the year?
 
#45
#45
Emain,BPV,hat, just wondering, but what if any scenario this year would you be happy with? Is it better player develpment, better recruiting, elite 8, final 4, NC, sec tourny champs, sec east champs, sec regular season champs, finishing in the top 25,top 10, top 5, #1, beating rival Memphis, spliting or sweeping UK, a win over #1 Kansas, is it all the above or maybe just a combination of a few? Just tryin to gage whats a "win" for the team in your guys opinion......i'll hang up and listen
 
#46
#46
It's not like Pearl should be fired. He's has done too well to be fired. But do I think the future of this program looks good? I don't know. I'm not impressed with the halfcourt offense. It's a travesty honestly. The Defense looks better, both fullcourt and halfcourt. That's something good to take out of. But the half-court game looks terrible. It truly is an atrocity. The recruiting is as good as it has been. The team is in the top-10. But I don't expect any FF's here. And that's the sad part. I know how bad UT ball was before. Yet we should expect to be able to get to FF's, just like Pearl/Hamilton have said, and what Pearl is being paid.
 
#47
#47
Voltastic!! said:
Emain,BPV,hat, just wondering, but what if any scenario this year would you be happy with? Is it better player develpment, better recruiting, elite 8, final 4, NC, sec tourny champs, sec east champs, sec regular season champs, finishing in the top 25,top 10, top 5, #1, beating rival Memphis, spliting or sweeping UK, a win over #1 Kansas, is it all the above or maybe just a combination of a few? Just tryin to gage whats a "win" for the team in your guys opinion......i'll hang up and listen
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Play D, some semblance of movement and screening on O with a focus toward valuing and winning possessions. The game comes down to big possessions. We are ill prepared to win them on either end, IMO. We have remained so, even though we have the talent to change that, at the very minimum on the defensive end.
 
#48
#48
HomeGrownVol said:
It was sarcastic to those that are not simply asking for more but are demanding perfection. I think it is always appropriate to want more from teams. However, I do get frustrated when some harp on a team and the coach because "underachieving" and I quote it because they underachieve in the eyes of the beholder.

Now, granted, what would Pearl say but he was on TV before a recent game saying that he got everything out of last years team that was available.

I do think it is hard for anyone looking at our program as a whole to say that we are not going in a good direction. We are consistently winning 20+ games a year and always going to the NCAA tournament. I remember when it was some what exciting to go to the NIT. And, I don't mean to use our past failing to be happy with mediocricy but we are not mediocre to say the least.

My opinion is that we should expect more but also enjoy this ride of being a relevant basketball program which isn't the norm in UT history. Who knows, maybe this is the year?
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What improvements has a Bruce Pearl coach team exhibited?

Secondly, what recurring problems has BP ever fixed?

Those two questions are the crux of most people's issues with the University of Tennessee's Used Car Salesman of a Coach.
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Voltastic!! said:
Emain,BPV,hat, just wondering, but what if any scenario this year would you be happy with? Is it better player develpment, better recruiting, elite 8, final 4, NC, sec tourny champs, sec east champs, sec regular season champs, finishing in the top 25,top 10, top 5, #1, beating rival Memphis, spliting or sweeping UK, a win over #1 Kansas, is it all the above or maybe just a combination of a few? Just tryin to gage whats a "win" for the team in your guys opinion......i'll hang up and listen
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He gets a Final Four and everyone single one of his critics shut up. If he had some more tourney sucess, he would be in the clear in terms of critics.

It takes a Final Four. If he can get to a Final Four, everybody shuts up...including me.
 
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Lofton4Three said:
What improvements has a Bruce Pearl coach team exhibited?

Secondly, what recurring problems has BP ever fixed.

Those two questions are the crux of most people's issues with the University of Tennessee's Used Care Salesman of a Coach.
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The defense looks better this year, and I do believe that the reason we were so bad last year was because of the lack of intensity, players not trying. Some of the blame goes to Pearl, but we look better on defense. I'll give him that. Offensively, in the halfcourt, we look horrific, as I have said. He has to fix that.
 
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