Yeah, the days of abusing the Bible to justify violence are long gone

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T-TownVol said:
you pulled that one out of thin air
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no I didn't. Some are saying that people's info came from a classroom while others go to church and learn the real stuff. It couldn't be further from the truth for most on here
 
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utvolpj said:
you mean you don't care as long as they're Christian.
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utvolpj said:
who is claiming their info came from a college class except for you? And my post above still stands, you don't have to currently identify yourself as a Christian to have a conversation about it
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Dont personally care what anyone's faith is. It just ticks me off when someone of a different belief then you tries to tell you the truth about your own faith.
 
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utvolpj said:
no I didn't. Some are saying that people's info came from a classroom while others go to church and learn the real stuff. It couldn't be further from the truth for most on here
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I did not see him say anything about current or former believers.....the class room comment has no bearing as to your comment about belief

by the way.....I care if you believe or not....it is 100% your choice, but make no mistake, I care
 
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never claimed i knew everything about islam, however I do know had to read, and my reading interpretations kills are pretty good
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Dont personally care what anyone's faith is. It just ticks me off when someone of a different belief then you tries to tell you the truth about your own faith.
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How is this different than anyone of faith telling me I am condemned to eternal damnation for not believing? The difference here is I don't get ticked off. We are all stating opinions here and if you view it as somebody telling you the truth about your own faith that isn't our problem. Believe whatever you want, nobody really cares.

And for other people on here, I am atheist, but that doesn't make me any less qualified to talk about christianity. It shouldn't even matter, but I was raised Christian, so I am well versed on the thought process.
 
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rjd970 said:
How is this different than anyone of faith telling me I am condemned to eternal damnation for not believing? The difference here is I don't get ticked off. We are all stating opinions here and if you view it as somebody telling you the truth about your own faith that isn't our problem. Believe whatever you want, nobody really cares.

And for other people on here, I am atheist, but that doesn't make me any less qualified to talk about christianity. It shouldn't even matter, but I was raised Christian, so I am well versed on the thought process.
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shouldnt even matter? if you dont know what you are talking about and are just spouting off your mouth then that doesnt mean you are qualified to talk about it. I mean I visited a nuclear plant once when i was in school, so i guess that classifies me as an expert in nuclear physics
 
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Dude, he said he was raised as a Christian. He didn't say he visited a Christian church once.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I've never went to a theology class, and to group me in there with some people who have went to college is pretty silly PJ. I've gotten all my information from research and reading, not some theory based college classes. I'm still waiting on knowing whether or not those who have chosen to participate in the conversation are even Christians.
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It shows that you haven't been formally educated, when you divide up things into "Biblical Christianity" (the stuff you agree with) and "not even Christianity" (stuff you don't agree with). Don't worry, you are not the first Christian to do that. Christians have been doing that to each other since the beginning, with the original split of Eastern and Western churches.

To answer your irrelevant question (funny how you can weigh in on evolution without having ever been taught much about it, or weigh in on climate change but constantly talk about how "climate has always changed before" to a person who studies past climate change, but someone has to be a Christian to talk to you about Christian History), I was a Christian for the first 18 or 20 years of my life, and did a fair share of my own research as well as taking classes. The more you learn, the more you question it.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
What are you talking about?? Christianity existed for over 600 years before Islam ever thought about being. You also keep pointing out sectors of Christianity, and not the Biblical Christianity I am speaking about. Are you a Christian yourself, or are you just someone who has heard some theology and you think that makes you somewhat qualified to carry on a conversation about something that's faith-based in the first place??
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Who was practicing "Biblical Christianity" from Christ's death until Luther?
 
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VolInMn said:
Dude, he said he was raised as a Christian. He didn't say he visited a Christian church once.
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point of clarification.....no one is raised Christian.....the parents might be and you can say that you were raised in a Christian home/church, but no one is a Christian until they become one on thier own

carry on
 
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bam15 said:
Enlighten me on true Christianity since Roman Catholicism came first.

Is it Methodist?

Baptist?

Lutheran?

Pentecostal?

Church of Christ?

You're always right, of course.
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Yes, in an attempt to reestablish the Church that Christ built. Catholics have ventured well beyond their true roots
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T-TownVol said:
to be fair....he said "attempt"....points for effort
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Yes, exactly, it is an "attempt" to follow the Bible to the best of our abilities. The op argument holds true for this, as well. You have stereotyped the whole CoC on your experience, and therefore deemed it to be something that it simply is not.
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
shouldnt even matter? if you dont know what you are talking about and are just spouting off your mouth then that doesnt mean you are qualified to talk about it. I mean I visited a nuclear plant once when i was in school, so i guess that classifies me as an expert in nuclear physics
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How does visiting a nuclear plant once in school equate to spending an entire childhood through early adulthood in the christian faith?
 
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ridethelightening said:
Yes, exactly, it is an "attempt" to follow the Bible to the best of our abilities. The op argument holds true for this, as well. You have stereotyped the whole CoC on your experience, and therefore deemed it to be something that it simply is not.
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dude, I was backing you up....you are way off base...all any of us can do is "attempt" to live like Christ...I had no hidden meaning in my comment
 
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T-TownVol said:
dude, I was backing you up....you are way off base...all any of us can do is "attempt" to live like Christ...I had no hidden meaning in my comment
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History...haha! Thanks though. And I completely, wholeheartedly, 100% agree with the bold
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rockytophigh said:
Can we just merge this crap with your "I'm taking my ball & going home" thread? They both offer about the same amount of truth & waist equal amounts of cyberspace.
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:eek:lol:

droski said:
to imply the bible and christianity has the same level as acceptance of violence as the koran and the muslim religion is basically showing you haven't studied either. let's not forget mohammad was a military leader. and btw i'm an agnostic.
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Astute observation.

volfanjustin said:
We are used to it.

Christianity does not teach and preach mass murder and terror. Islam wants those who do not believe like they do to be murdered. Islam is not about peace or tolerance. A "good" muslim commits mass murder and/or accepts when other muslims do they same.
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Exactly, hard to understand how some numbskull can't seem to grasp that.

VolInMn said:
I'm curious as to what ya'll see as the difference between current day Islamic extremists and the Crusaders of the middle ages?
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That has to be the dullest and crookedest arrow in the liberal quiver and hardly deserves an answer, especially to someone who lives inthe same neighborhood mentally as ACLG but I'll give it the old college try once again.

You must have a modicum of knowledge of history to understand the reasons for the cusades.

The muslims took a couple million Europeans back to the near east to be sold as slaves in the numerous slave markets and were more highly valued than the tens of millions of black African slaves. You ask why aren't there many black Africans in the middle east as you find in places like Haiti and Brazil? It is because the males were castrated and the children of female concubines were killed as soon as they were born.

Much has been made of events during the second or third crusade when crusaders were said to have gone beserk. One of the reasons for that was that they found so many fellow Europeans who had been castrated and their tongues cut out to make the docile and uncomplaining.

The main reason for the crusades was to relieve oppression in the Holy land by muslim conquerers. After sweeping out of the Arabian penensula into the lower Tigris, Euphrates valleys and killing or converting the mostly Christian population and tearing down as remnants of evidence on any Christian past, (as they are presently doing in Kosovo, Samarkland and other places with Christian heritages) thye swept accross Persia and conquered the people of the Indus valley.

The muslim armies had the advantage of fanaticism, greed, (for they all shared in captured goods), and fine horses which often gave them the element of surprise.

They advanced into the Iberian penensula, asia minor, the balkans and eastern Europe, conquering everything in their path. They conquered and occupied Sicily and even extracted tribute from the Vatican in Rome, they attacked by sea many of the Italian coastal cities to exact the dhimmi tribute from so-called infidels, when on township refused to pay, the followers of the religion of peace gathered 20,000 peasants and beheaded them before the gates of the town and warned them to have the tribute ready to pay next year or they would lay siege. Those areas, particularly Venice and Rome called for help from thier neighbors to the north.

Essentially the crusades was a defensive maneuver to liberate and protect the Christians and Christian heritage in Jerusalam the holy city and it's surrounds.

There were other reasons as well, such as piracy, high amounts of tariffs charged for commerce of goods passing through lands or seas controled by islam.

Either you have a high degree of ignorance of history or you just havn't thought out much about your curiosity.

By the way you seem to think one would think you equate the American invasion and occupation of Germany with the nazi invasion of Poland or that America was unjustified in it's war against Japan after Pearl Harbor.
 
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IPorange said:
It shows that you haven't been formally educated, when you divide up things into "Biblical Christianity" (the stuff you agree with) and "not even Christianity" (stuff you don't agree with). Don't worry, you are not the first Christian to do that. Christians have been doing that to each other since the beginning, with the original split of Eastern and Western churches.

To answer your irrelevant question (funny how you can weigh in on evolution without having ever been taught much about it, or weigh in on climate change but constantly talk about how "climate has always changed before" to a person who studies past climate change, but someone has to be a Christian to talk to you about Christian History), I was a Christian for the first 18 or 20 years of my life, and did a fair share of my own research as well as taking classes. The more you learn, the more you question it.
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You are straight up the most self-absorbent person I have ever come across on these boards. Do you honestly think that because "I haven't been formerly educated", that I don't know about the faith I have chosen to be a part of and how and where it started?? Also, do you really know what being a "Christian" is?? Do you think your born in to it?? Just because your born into a family that attends church, doesn't make you a Christian by association. I was born into a family like that, but it wasn't until January 2004 (I was 24) that I turned my life over to God and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. As far as Global Warming goes, it seems that you have about as much faith in it as I have in my Christianity. So, your faith is science, and my faith is God, or so that's the way you just made it sound. I'll take God over some theory based science any day of the week.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You are straight up the most self-absorbent person I have ever come across on these boards. Do you honestly think that because "I haven't been formerly educated", that I don't know about the faith I have chosen to be a part of and how and where it started?? Also, do you really know what being a "Christian" is?? Do you think your born in to it?? Just because your born into a family that attends church, doesn't make you a Christian by association. I was born into a family like that, but it wasn't until January 2004 (I was 24) that I turned my life over to God and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. As far as Global Warming goes, it seems that you have about as much faith in it as I have in my Christianity. So, your faith is science, and my faith is God, or so that's the way you just made it sound. I'll take God over some theory based science any day of the week.
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Isn't creationism a theory in the same sense as evolution or global warming? With the only exception that it is based on faith and not scientific evidence.

The Church of Christ member will say you're going to hell, or the Pentacostal. If there was one true belief, it wouldn't be chopped up into the various denominations, it would be the first and longest lasting church - which of course in your view, isn't Christianity and is considered as a different religion.
 
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bam15 said:
Isn't creationism a theory in the same sense as evolution or global warming? With the only exception that it is based on faith and not scientific evidence.

The Church of Christ member will say you're going to hell, or the Pentacostal. If there was one true belief, it wouldn't be chopped up into the various denominations, it would be the first and longest lasting church - which of course in your view, isn't Christianity and is considered as a different religion.
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I really don't even know what to say to you anymore honestly. Your views of my faith are very skewed and wrong. You also still haven't answered my question on if you are a Christian or not.
 
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