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That is exactly how the free market is supposed to work.

It is the same as I feel about my beloved UT. All the woke policies have stopped any future donations I would ever make to the school. My 'union' has done my demographic wrong, and I have ceased any contributions (other than what is forced on me thru agency shop) thereto as well.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That is exactly how the free market is supposed to work.
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Used this before but it’s so true.
Black woman opens up an insect cuisine restaurant. All insects all the time! Literal bug juice is her specialty.
She closes her business a few months after opening because she isn’t generating revenue.

Reasonable reaction= The free market spoke! People don’t want insects for dinner.

Leftist in 2023 reaction= This is an assault on black women!! White supremacy at work! Support black owned businesses! #BLM. # Endsexism. #FTrump
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Christianity is indeed under attack, when its so-called adherents embrace anti-Christian positions are actions. I don't mind Republicans, though I detest Republiars, but the following is something I have to agree with. You're a Christian or a saboteur of Christianity, one or the other, you can't be both.

Christian school that embraced the LGBTQ community is forced to close its doors
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So, what are you saying? The donors were wrong to withdraw support to the school? I've never been in a church that denies attendance or association with people that are truggling with lifestyle choices. THat's no different than other struggles in life. And all would be defined biblically as sin.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[b] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

I attended a church in college (a Coc for that matter) that had counseling for people that struggled with sexual identity and preference just as they would any other addiction or whatever. They didn't stand with LBGT+, but they understood people struggle with it and they ministered to it as they should have. Jesus didn't condone or stand with sin, but he spent time with sinners ministering to them. The school was not wrong for having open doors. That's biblical. But, when they tried to present themselves as a woke facility instead of just continuing the work they were already doing, they changed their game, and lost their donors. Right or wrong on donors parts, a church or a christian oriented facility like this school should never bring political stances into their mission. They should focus on the principles God teaches and minister to that as he intended and leave the chest banging look at us political junk somewhere else.

As far as the donors, where do they think christians come from...the righteous? No, from sinners. JUst reading the article doesn't give me insight all the inner workings of this situation, but if I were a donor contemplating cutting the school off over this mission statement, I personally would have had to converse with the school to see where they were coming from, and why they felt a need to publish this statement, and if they were changing course overall, etc. Ministering to sin is one thing. Incorporating sin is another and self-contradictory to the teachings.
 
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"We lost our network" of donors, Callaway-George told ABC News. "In December of 2021, right before we publicly supported the LGBTQ community, we raised $333,985. One year later, after we had posted on our website and made a stance, [in] December of 2022 we raised $14,809."
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That’s a 96% funding reduction in one year.
Whoops?
 
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20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of iniquity!’
 
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85SugarVol said:
That’s a 96% funding reduction in one year.
Whoops?
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Kalie Callaway-George, UCA’s executive director and co-founder, said this new language "is kind of what started the backlash from our donor base, which we anticipated. It was just that we anticipated a 50% loss in funding and made adjustments for that. We had an 80% loss in funding and that was too much to overcome."
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Forget the religious implications. Lets just look at this from a business perspective. They went in with eyes wide open expecting donations to be halved.

I've got nothing to add on that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Forget the religious implications. Lets just look at this from a business perspective. They went in with eyes wide open expecting donations to be halved.

I've got nothing to add on that.
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First off, if you take an action that results in an expected 50% reduction in funding for your low-income students - you should be fired for cause.

It was a 96% reduction. And that was an “accident”. I’m skeptical. Looks like they martyred themselves.
 
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Even though administrators expected negative reaction and some loss of resources, they believed an explicit show of support for this community was necessary because of an influx of teenage students and changes in society.
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And that is the problem. The outside world should not be influencing decisions if you are going to wrap yourself around the Bible.
 
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WTF... that article has all kinds of nonsense bombs.

"I am LGBTQ-affirming and I identify as Christian," she told ABC News. While sympathetic to what she calls "a discrepancy in biblical interpretation," she said "it's unfortunate that children who have nothing to do with the argument are the ones that are going to suffer because of it."
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So now, we have lesbians identifying as Christians now?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
That’s why God himself decided to come down and tell us everything Himself as a Jewish carpenter 2000 years ago. Should have cleared up any confusion
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What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Not Leviticus… what did Jesus himself say?

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The real shame here is that it was low income kids that got hurt due to leftist ideology.

Get woke, go broke.
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Leftist ideology is simply acknowledging that you are welcoming to all kids?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that is what Jesus would have done.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF... that article has all kinds of nonsense bombs.



So now, we have lesbians identifying as Christians now?
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Excerpt from a local expose done on the School. Lot of problems bubbling there for years -

“The most glaring problem to me is retaining staff. Since I started, I think I’ve counted 15 different people that have either resigned or been fired, and that’s over just two-and-a-half years,” said one teacher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation. “That’s not a coincidence. There has to be something going on institutionally causing people to leave.”
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https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/education/article272221563.html

Couldn’t pay. Couldn’t provide resources. Couldn’t retain staff.

Took the easy way out.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Not Leviticus… what did Jesus himself say?
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Matthew 5:17-19
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


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Leftist ideology is simply acknowledging that you are welcoming to all kids?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that is what Jesus would have done.
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Matthew 18:6

6 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Not Leviticus… what did Jesus himself say?



Leftist ideology is simply acknowledging that you are welcoming to all kids?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that is what Jesus would have done.
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I don't have the knowledge level to get into an argument in this. What I do know is that the Bible is the word of God, Jesus is God, and God said that homosexuality is a sin. The dots are not too hard to connect. While Jesus might have welcomed them, he probably wouldn't have let them continue in their sinful ways. The left probably considers that bigoted.

You can try to spin this anyway you want, but in doing so you are missing the point. The administration of the school did what they wanted to do, and that resulted in the donors (that didn't share the acknowledgment of the leftist alphabet soup) pulling their funding. If you support their decision to 'welcome all kids', then why don't you pick up the ball and send in a donation? For that matter, why hasn't the alphabet community picked up the ball and sent in funding? The people that previously funded that school obviously felt it is an affront to their values and decided to go elsewhere with their money which is their right. What I am somewhat surprised about is that the left hasn't started calling them bigots and homophobes.
 
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85SugarVol said:
First off, if you take an action that results in an expected 50% reduction in funding for your low-income students - you should be fired for cause.

It was a 96% reduction. And that was an “accident”. I’m skeptical. Looks like they martyred themselves.
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It wasn't martyrdom. They sacrificed the kids.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't have the knowledge level to get into an argument in this. What I do know is that the Bible is the word of God, Jesus is God, and God said that homosexuality is a sin. The dots are not too hard to connect. While Jesus might have welcomed them, he probably wouldn't have let them continue in their sinful ways. The left probably considers that bigoted.

You can try to spin this anyway you want, but in doing so you are missing the point. The administration of the school did what they wanted to do, and that resulted in the donors (that didn't share the acknowledgment of the leftist alphabet soup) pulling their funding. If you support their decision to 'welcome all kids', then why don't you pick up the ball and send in a donation? For that matter, why hasn't the alphabet community picked up the ball and sent in funding? The people that previously funded that school obviously felt it is an affront to their values and decided to go elsewhere with their money which is their right. What I am somewhat surprised about is that the left hasn't started calling them bigots and homophobes.
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I agree anyone has the right pull their donations for whatever reason they choose. But much like this school that said they expected some backlash and the loss of some funding based on their declaration of inclusion, those donors should expect to have their values questioned as bigoted and homophobic.

Since this story has made national news I would not doubt if some LGBT friendly groups have offered some financial support. It sounds like the decision had already been made to close though.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Matthew 5:17-19
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.




Matthew 18:6

6 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
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So he doesn’t explicitly mention it? He speaks in broad strokes about sin. Something he also acknowledges all men do.

Thanks.
 
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