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did you agree with anything that he said in that article Convoluted? other than going back to an older ball size?,i didn't,he wants high school coaches to coach em before he gets them and go to Olympic rules,which is boring as hell to watch and not the womens basketball game that i love to watch

what did you take from it ? I took it as what he would like the womens game to be,i do have to admit that i am a if it isn't broke don't fix it type,it seems to me they want to take out the physical play and turn it into a kindergarten type of basketball,which will kill the sport in the long run

I don't get why they think scoring more points would help to boost the womens game either,let em play some defense do some rebounding,get away from calling a hand check a foul,if they push the player fine,call it,not these mystery fouls

and let them get away with flagrant fouls or lowering there shoulders and putting a hit on somebody,call the game consistently,none of this it is the home team and let em play crap and the rules change when it is Tourney Time or you are in the NCAA Tourney

and the 10 second rule,I have done posted about that piece of crap rule,the lets just lets be like mens basketball rule,it isn't mens basketball,it is womens,the more they will try to emulate the mens the more it will hurt them in the long run,at least to me and i am sure many others

as you can tell,i am not impressed with his vision of the future for womens basketball or of Mrs Ackerman's,his crony from the Big East,they are envisioning a future that i don't want to come to fruition

well i have said my piece and his still an arrogant prick to me,he may well kill the game i love,but i know him for what he is
 
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I kinda like have an open mind on these things.BUT governmentmule sometimes you talk like Jed Clampett - I do believe Convoluted generally knows a great deal about basketball and the player ....Yes I am a Die hard fan of UCONN I also enjoy Tenn basketball .

But come on now get the facts right
 
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governmentmule said:
aaaah you are a Huskie fan Convoluted,which isn't a problem,there was some stuff that went on with Maya that i believe was the problem that set it all off,it has been long enough that i can't remember what it was
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I'm more a uconn admirer than a fan. I was a Tenn fan and a Pat fan until uconn started to compete with TN for women's basketball supremacy and Pat responded with
what I considered unscrupulous tactics by filing complaints against uconn with the NCAA and also the SEC. None of those complaints amounted to anything, yet Pat still cancelled the series. She didn't give a reason except to say "Ask Geno." To me, that was a cop out. I thought the real reason was to prevent further losses to uconn.

The Summitt bulletin board did much to contribute to the uconn smear campaign. That site significantly damaged Pat's reputation everywhere except Knoxville since it was so closed to other opinions and continued to spread rumors and untruths. Now that it's a pay site, it's totally contained and has little influence outside Knoxville.

I also admire Jeff Walz and hope he continues to succeed with Louisville. I also like Notre Dame with Muffett.

Unfortunately, Tennessee has lost its cachet on the national scene and has been replaced by the above mentioned teams plus Baylor, North Carolina, and Stanford plus a few others.
 
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governmentmule said:
did you agree with anything that he said in that article Convoluted? other than going back to an older ball size?,i didn't,he wants high school coaches to coach em before he gets them and go to Olympic rules,which is boring as hell to watch and not the womens basketball game that i love to watch

what did you take from it ? I took it as what he would like the womens game to be,i do have to admit that i am a if it isn't broke don't fix it type,it seems to me they want to take out the physical play and turn it into a kindergarten type of basketball,which will kill the sport in the long run

I don't get why they think scoring more points would help to boost the womens game either,let em play some defense do some rebounding,get away from calling a hand check a foul,if they push the player fine,call it,not these mystery fouls

and let them get away with flagrant fouls or lowering there shoulders and putting a hit on somebody,call the game consistently,none of this it is the home team and let em play crap and the rules change when it is Tourney Time or you are in the NCAA Tourney

and the 10 second rule,I have done posted about that piece of crap rule,the lets just lets be like mens basketball rule,it isn't mens basketball,it is womens,the more they will try to emulate the mens the more it will hurt them in the long run,at least to me and i am sure many others

as you can tell,i am not impressed with his vision of the future for womens basketball or of Mrs Ackerman's,his crony from the Big East,they are envisioning a future that i don't want to come to fruition

well i have said my piece and his still an arrogant prick to me,he may well kill the game i love,but i know him for what he is
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You asked if I agree with anything in the article. First, someone at the NCAA knows their way around HTML coding and programming web sites. Over the top presentation.

I do agree that the product needs to keep getting better and that kids are not learning the fundamentals in high school and they just want to play instead of learning the basics first. The camps cater to the desires of the customer, so that probably won't change.

What needs to change first is the quality of the officiating. That will require paying more and supervising the officials more closely. I know the supervisors rate the officials, but I don't see any evidence of it. Whatever the rules are, they must be consistently enforced.

I agree that the ball should be heavier but leave the diameter as is. I also agree the game is too physical particularly in the paint. I believe if the refs upheld the rules the players wouldn't foul. But when the officiating is inconsistent, the players will push the limits to see what they can get away with.

I'd like to see an official off the court with access to instant replay or give coaches a challenge flag like in football. Currently, it's worth taking a chance by fouling because it's probably not going to be called - worth the risk. The sneaky fouls would diminish if someone off the court might see it and there was video evidence. If nothing else, it would cut down on all the fan excuses for losing the game.

I guess in summary, I'd say try the changes and see what happens. It can always be changed back. Basketball is not easy to improve. It's easy to lower the baseball mound, not so easy to interpret what 10 people all moving at the same time are doing.
 
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508mikey said:
I just wonder how well he could coach a mens team
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His coaching style wouldn't fit the men's game, you say? False. He's always coached his women like men. He's cut them no slack. He's critical. He's paid little attention to feelings or emotions. He cares about teaching the game and winning. :crazy:
 
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508mikey said:
I just wonder how well he could coach a mens team
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Arrogant? Cocky? A little too slick for his own good (as Frank Deford suggested for Sports Illustrated back in 2003)? You bet he is. But aren't successful men's coaches like Bob Knight? John Calipari? Rick Pitino?
 
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governmentmule said:
are you a Huskies fan too Convoluted ?

I forget exactly what it was on the recruiting trail that Geno was doing,if i remember rightly wasn't it about sexual orientation ? I don't remember which way Pat was suppose to swing,but it was a load of crap and she dropped them off the schedule,if i have it right,if not tell me
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here try this link


https://puttysauce.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/
 
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Convoluted said:
I'm more a uconn admirer than a fan. I was a Tenn fan and a Pat fan until uconn started to compete with TN for women's basketball supremacy and Pat responded with
what I considered unscrupulous tactics by filing complaints against uconn with the NCAA and also the SEC. None of those complaints amounted to anything, yet Pat still cancelled the series. She didn't give a reason except to say "Ask Geno." To me, that was a cop out. I thought the real reason was to prevent further losses to uconn.

The Summitt bulletin board did much to contribute to the uconn smear campaign. That site significantly damaged Pat's reputation everywhere except Knoxville since it was so closed to other opinions and continued to spread rumors and untruths. Now that it's a pay site, it's totally contained and has little influence outside Knoxville.

I also admire Jeff Walz and hope he continues to succeed with Louisville. I also like Notre Dame with Muffett.

Unfortunately, Tennessee has lost its cachet on the national scene and has been replaced by the above mentioned teams plus Baylor, North Carolina, and Stanford plus a few others.
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They haven't lost their cachet on the National scene and for a person that says Geno doesn't lie you just told a huge one with that statement. The Tennessee program is certainly admired as much as any other and more so if you took a vote of the impartial women's basketball fan. Baylor, NC, and Stanford will never have the program that Tennessee has just because we were down a little last season and are a player or two short this season means nothing. All teams go through that and it may be coming to UConn if Aja goes elsewhere and he is left with the lower recruits in the top twenty.
As far as next season look for Tennessee to be back in the top four or five teams with a legitimate opportunity to win the National Title over the next three seasons.
Anyone that says Geno has not lied and Pat has is certainly stretching the truth. I wish Pat would come out with exactly what happened with Moore unfortunately she want so time to move on.
As far a Geno he would do anything to get a recruit or win a basketball game legal or illegal and that includes pushing or even punching a woman Assistant coach.
 
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ruggy1 said:
go to the link I posted and you will find out why:)
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That is not the reason that is what UConn fans want to be the reason. She would have went to Tennessee if we were willing to provide a house and an income for her mother. That was a no and that is when UConn took the recruiting lead and amazingly she got both those benefits up there.
 
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Everything runs in cycles and Tennessee will be back next season. Four players coming in with only the loss of Simmons will make the difference. Teams will not be able to clog the post because we will kill them on the perimeter. If they stretch out to guard the perimeter then we'll kill them in the post. That cachet some talk about will never be a factor with Tennessee. The school with the most wins 1238 that leads the nation in attendance every year will always be a top program. We may have to find someone to cheat like other schools are doing but we have the money and the benefits to offer and will be back on top as early as next season.
 
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some of what you say is true,just a little bit...but I still love ya..are you stubborn:whistling:
 
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ruggy1 said:
some of what you say is true,just a little bit...but I still love ya..are you stubborn:whistling:
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I don't keep bringing it up someone else does. I happen to have some inside information as to what happened and want to move on. I don't care to continue speaking about the past. As far as the future Tennessee is looking very good if Aja were to come were gonna win some titles real soon. If she doesn't were still gonna be tough to deal with Nared is an player that can take over a game. Tucker was number 8 in the last class. Middleton is tough as nails and a player that will make other players play to expectations.
So everyone can certainly say on a board what they want to say but to virtually:hi: say Tennessee is irrelevant and something to the effect that they are behind Stanford, Baylor, and Louisville on the National scene is laughable.

We had some problems recruiting because of Coach Summit's illness but that is behind us now. Players know who the coach is and were coming back in that regard. Every team has to keep recruiting or they will fall back in the pack. If Aja goes to SC they are a team that will challenge for the National title next season. Aja is a program changing player. If she goes to UConn they will continue their run if not want be as easy SC and Tennessee will match up with them a lot better next season.
I have been trying to drop the Moore recruitment and anything UConn on this board except the present. If people keep on bringing it up I will keep responding. So when everyone gets ready to move on so will I.
 
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Good posts,Volfan2012.As for me,I respect the integrity of Pat Summitt in what she has done for many years.Perhaps the two co-presidents of the geno admiration society will address and try to refute what you say.At any rate,the women's game does not need fixing,but it does need better,more consistent officials.As an aside,did I not see an official work a game on Sunday night and then work a Monday night game hundreds of miles away? I know we have travel advantages now,but why would this occur?
 
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governmentmule said:
aaaah you are a Huskie fan Convoluted,which isn't a problem,there was some stuff that went on with Maya that i believe was the problem that set it all off,it has been long enough that i can't remember what it was
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You didn't get that from his screen name? Probably 'cause a letter or two was left off. Introducing UCONNvoluted.:)
 
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Volfan2012 said:
They haven't lost their cachet on the National scene and for a person that says Geno doesn't lie you just told a huge one with that statement. That's not a lie, it's my opinion. The Tennessee program is certainly admired as much as any other and more so if you took a vote of the impartial women's basketball fan. And that's your opinion. Besides, there are no impartial fans. Baylor, NC, and Stanford will never have the program that Tennessee has Looks like you're not one of those impartial wbb fans you spoke of.just because we were down a little last season and are a player or two short this season means nothing. Tenn has been down since 2008. All teams go through that and it may be coming to UConn if Aja goes elsewhere and he is left with the lower recruits in the top twenty. Uconn hasn't done badly recruiting for next year. Take a look All Star Girls Report Buckeyes, Terps Ink Top 150 Talent
As far as next season look for Tennessee to be back in the top four or five teams with a legitimate opportunity to win the National Title over the next three seasons. I've heard the same thing from TN fans every year since 2008. TN Gets good players that under perform.
Anyone that says Geno has not lied and Pat has is certainly stretching the truth. I provided proof that Pat lied, you provide no proof - just your own words about Geno. I wish Pat would come out with exactly what happened with Moore unfortunately she want so time to move on. You'll just have to continue making stuff up until she does.
As far a Geno he would do anything to get a recruit or win a basketball game legal or illegal and that includes pushing or even punching a woman Assistant coach. ?????? Probably a good idea to end this.
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Convoluted said:
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I certainly expected those exact comments so why you and other UConn fans keep bringing these subjects up. No one on either side is changing their opinion, but you seem to think by continually revisiting it will happen. I will always believe that extra benefits far beyond what was stated were handed out. Who handed them out doesn't matter anymore what is positive is that the persons involved managed it very well. It was Bama and Auburn quality and that is tough to achieve in any sport.
 
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I sorry that you think I keep bringing the subject up....noway no how.If you do your homework IT's you and Tenn fans that start the subject..And it should be that way,why not?It's a Lady Vols site...
I enjoy you and other that comment on Basketball. who the hell cares what happen between Uconn and Tenn,But I shure would enjoy seeing UCONN beating the pants off TENN again. so go on win get to the final 4 good luck:w00t:
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I don't keep bringing it up someone else does. I happen to have some inside information as to what happened and want to move on. So you have inside info but are not willing to divulge it. You've learned well from Pat. I don't care to continue speaking about the past. As far as the future Tennessee is looking very good if Aja were to come were gonna win some titles real soon. If she doesn't were still gonna be tough to deal with Nared is an player that can take over a game. Tucker was number 8 in the last class. Middleton is tough as nails and a player that will make other players play to expectations. Reasonable expectations, but the coaches don't seem to be able to get the highly ranked players to perform.
So everyone can certainly say on a board what they want to say but to virtually:hi: say Tennessee is irrelevant and something to the effect that they are behind Stanford, Baylor, and Louisville on the National scene is laughable. Open your eyes and read something that hasn't come out of Knoxville, and perhaps you'll understand.

We had some problems recruiting because of Coach Summit's illness but that is behind us now. Not really. The jury is still out on Holly. Players know who the coach is and were coming back in that regard. Every team has to keep recruiting or they will fall back in the pack. If Aja goes to SC they are a team that will challenge for the National title next season. Aja is a program changing player. If she goes to UConn they will continue their run if not want be as easy SC and Tennessee will match up with them a lot better next season.
I have been trying to drop the Moore recruitment and anything UConn on this board except the present. If people keep on bringing it up I will keep responding. So when everyone gets ready to move on so will I. You got a Moore - Nia, so stop complaining.)
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WVU05UT09 said:
I'm believe the biggest threat to UConn is its status in the American Conference.

Are the UConn fans here fearful of becoming the next Old Dominion or Louisiana Tech?
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Hard to say what will happen. No doubt the present situation, if it continues, will be bad for uconn. The only hope, if the present configuration continues, is that uconn pulls the other AAC BB teams up. That's pretty much what happened in the old Big East conference. They were initially bad in basketball.

I think uconn will be able to move to a better conference but football rules the roost so who knows what will happen.

As long as Geno is coach, I don't see a Old Dominion La Tech parallel.
 
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Convoluted said:
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Who are the highly ranked players we have other than Massengale,Burdick, and Russell that are playing now? Wait and see what happens when Nared and Tucker join the team. The team is not where it needs to be talent wise the incoming class and Tucker gets them there.

I've read everything out of Knoxville Lady Vols are highly regarded nationally and always will be.

The Moore issue is closed. They had no money someone gave them help that is obvious.

Hopefully UConn goes the way of Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion. I would love to see them fall to the bottom without talent Geno can't coach any better than anyone else. He needs number one players to win and can't win then when Tennessee has one like Candace Parker and Holdsclaw.
 
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ruggy1 said:
I sorry that you think I keep bringing the subject up....noway no how.If you do your homework IT's you and Tenn fans that start the subject..And it should be that way,why not?It's a Lady Vols site...
I enjoy you and other that comment on Basketball. who the hell cares what happen between Uconn and Tenn,But I shure would enjoy seeing UCONN beating the pants off TENN again. so go on win get to the final 4 good luck:w00t:
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Were below your talent level now and certainly could not win. The addition of Nared 30 ppg in high school and Tucker three time USA Gold Medalist gets us back. Then you add Middleton a tough as nails player in the mold of Farris but a better shooter and we'll be ready to move back into the National spotlight.
All things being even talent wise Tennessee vs UConn is a fun game. I really enjoyed that we beat UConn the last three times we played them that was because of Candace Parker. We don't have anybody close to her ability now but next season we'll have four players that could get close to her ability and that is what you need to win.
 
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