You must die now ...

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lawgator1 said:
At least you aren't ridiculously overgeneralizing the sentiments of extremists to a billion people.
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Sadly, I'm not. I know you think I am. But let's be honest. As far right as I am, you're 500 miles even more left.
 
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lawgator1 said:
At least you aren't ridiculously overgeneralizing the sentiments of extremists to a billion people.
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From an Islamic perspective, please explain what exactly is theologically wrong with what they are doing to this woman.
 
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This is a result of Imam's and their control of public education. Period. Until that changes the middle east will continue to live in the Dark Ages.
 
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Lexvol said:
This is a result of Imam's and their control of public education. Period. Until that changes the middle east will continue to live in the Dark Ages.
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The solution is, as it always has been, to give the young people access to more open information and exchange of ideas. Over generations, that proves to be the undoing of the rigid. And that is true regardless of whether we are talking about a religion or a political system.

You want to put an end to terrorism? Give young Muslims in the worst areas free internet access.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The solution is, as it always has been, to give the young people access to more open information and exchange of ideas. Over generations, that proves to be the undoing of the rigid. And that is true regardless of whether we are talking about a religion or a political system.

You want to put an end to terrorism? Give young Muslims in the worst areas free internet access.
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LG, of all the things you've said on this forum (most of which I've disagreed with), this is by far the most spot on post I've seen from you.

Seriously, +1.
 
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BeecherVol said:
What road?

What does that have to do with his point?
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Christians are naturally biased against Islam. It goes both ways, seeing as millions of people have been killed as a result of this thousand year-old beef between two extreme religions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The solution is, as it always has been, to give the young people access to more open information and exchange of ideas. Over generations, that proves to be the undoing of the rigid. And that is true regardless of whether we are talking about a religion or a political system.

You want to put an end to terrorism? Give young Muslims in the worst areas free internet access.
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and it's your beleif iran and other countries would allow this?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The solution is, as it always has been, to give the young people access to more open information and exchange of ideas. Over generations, that proves to be the undoing of the rigid. And that is true regardless of whether we are talking about a religion or a political system.

You want to put an end to terrorism? Give young Muslims in the worst areas free internet access.
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Because when they look at teh pr0n they would have to kill themselves?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The solution is, as it always has been, to give the young people access to more open information and exchange of ideas. Over generations, that proves to be the undoing of the rigid. And that is true regardless of whether we are talking about a religion or a political system.

You want to put an end to terrorism? Give young Muslims in the worst areas free internet access.
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In principal, absolutely, but the point also outlines why the imams keep a very tight grip on info and education. They have to go before any change will happen.
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droski said:
and it's your beleif iran and other countries would allow this?
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superdave1984 said:
Because when they look at teh pr0n they would have to kill themselves?
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BigPapaVol said:
In principal, absolutely, but the point also outlines why the imams keep a very tight grip on info and education. They have to go before any change will happen.
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Obviously my point is somewhat tongue-in-cheek as giving Muslims in caves internet access is not going to be allowed, even if it were practical. There are certainly steps that can be had, however, along the lines of opening the minds of those who have not decided to shut them.

Won't get rid of all terrorists, obviously, since a few will view such things as mechanisms to control and corrupt them. But over time that fades, doesn't it?
 
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rjd970 said:
From an Islamic perspective, please explain what exactly is theologically wrong with what they are doing to this woman.
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You dodged this poster's question completely and spun it. Where in their theology is stoning a woman condemned?

It is clearly condemned by Christ in the Bible as the woman by the well was an example. "He is without sin cast the first stone."

Here's a passage of the Koran dealing with cutting of heads. Sounds like the Muslim's who are doing this aren't extreme but are following their theology word for word.

"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"

Women who disobey their husband will go to hell. (Koran 66:10) Once again not seeing were this is vague.

"Good women are obedient.... As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them." (Koran 4:34) Yeah sounds like they're once again just doing what the Koran CLEARLy tells them to do. No extremist here.

So what we have here in summary is the Koran clearly teaching to cut peoples heads off who do not believe in the Korean and to beat your women when they're bad. I'm not sure how they're being extreme in their beliefs here. Seems like they're doing what they're suppose to by their theology.

Chop her head off by the edge of my hand.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Obviously my point is somewhat tongue-in-cheek as giving Muslims in caves internet access is not going to be allowed, even if it were practical. There are certainly steps that can be had, however, along the lines of opening the minds of those who have not decided to shut them.

Won't get rid of all terrorists, obviously, since a few will view such things as mechanisms to control and corrupt them. But over time that fades, doesn't it?
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Ironically, it is the Muslims in caves that seem to have the most internet access these days. Caves and coffee shops....
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Christians are naturally biased against Islam. It goes both ways, seeing as millions of people have been killed as a result of this thousand year-old beef between two extreme religions.
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Didn't answer my question tho.

I assume his point was if your a christian or muslim you can't comment on the others actions in this case as to them being true or not.

Biased has nothing to do with it being true or false, thats why it doesn't matter what he believes about either religion.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Christians are naturally biased against Islam. It goes both ways, seeing as millions of people have been killed as a result of this thousand year-old beef between two extreme religions.
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Two extreme religions?

Please show me in the last 100 years where a plane was flown into a building or a person's head was cut off or a woman was stoned to death for saying Gawddammit or a bunch of Jews were killed all in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Two extreme religions?

Please show me in the last 100 years where a plane was flown into a building or a person's head was cut off or a woman was stoned to death for saying Gawddammit or a bunch of Jews were killed all in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Why in the last hundred years?

Oh wait... because a little something called The Crusades occurred more than a hundred years ago?

Salem witch trials? Abortion clinic bombings? Sexual/marital slavery in the FLDS? Ku Klux Klan?

Ever hear of The Concerned Christians? Concerned Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And let us not forget the nutjob Timothy McVeigh!

Do I assume every Christian is a terrorist? Of course not. But to say Christian terrorism is nonexistent is simply stupid.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Didn't answer my question tho.

I assume his point was if your a christian or muslim you can't comment on the others actions in this case as to them being true or not.

Biased has nothing to do with it being true or false, thats why it doesn't matter what he believes about either religion.
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There's no true or false when it comes to how one interprets religious philosophy, in most cases.

"The road" Ed referred to was the one that leads to a "Islam is an archaic religion of hate and discrimination."

RJD was going down that road by asking anyone how something that horrible would actually be wrong in Muslim teachings. Basically, he wanted someone to disprove that Muslim teaches its followers to kill infidels.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Why in the last hundred years?

Oh wait... because a little something called The Crusades occurred more than a hundred years ago?

Salem witch trials? Abortion clinic bombings? Sexual/marital slavery in the FLDS? Ku Klux Klan?

Ever hear of The Concerned Christians? Concerned Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And let us not forget the nutjob Timothy McVeigh!

Do I assume every Christian is a terrorist? Of course not. But to say Christian terrorism is nonexistent is simply stupid.
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I'm sorry. I didn't realize any of us lived more than 100 years ago and it was relevant now. My bad. I'm glad you can go back to the Crusades. Seriously? The Crusades. Yes, and I have a real problem with how the Romans are running the world and the king of France needs to lay of the rest of Europe. Seriously?

I'm talking about anything within any of our lifetimes and you go back to the Crusades. I think we are talking about modern day events like the shoe bomber and what Mcveigh did had nothing to do with any religion.

I'm glad you were awake during 5th grade History. can we come back to 2010 now?
 
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