You wanna complain fine, but quit acting as if the seasons over

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TOP said:
So... in year 3, barely getting in the tournament should satisfy fans?

A crappy seed in your 3rd season after missing the tournament your first 2 seasons is grounds for being fired.

You act like just getting in is some amazing accomplishment that's worthy of a free pass and is a successful season. --- It's not.
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20-10, by doubling our current record, doesn't get us in the tournament, barring some good wins during the SEC schedule. We better hope we have a lot of games where we get hot from three, like the UVA game. The SEC won't do us much favors due to its weak status, unless we beat Florida or UK.
 
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#229
With Previous Coach: "We will be a 2 seed."
" No way...we will be a 5 at best!"
With Current Coach: "There is still a chance"
" No way...we will be selling general admission for first round NIT"
 
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#230
OP is right. The season is not over. Anything can happen.

What we have had plenty of time to do, however, is assess Coach Martin as a coach. And the fact is that he's not a good coach. Yes, I said fact. So while some that only want to see the bright side will argue that "there's still a lot of season to go", there's too much evidence to suggest that Zo is a dud as a coach.

When your best argument after 5.5 years as a head coach is "there's still plenty of season to go" and "this team can get hot", he's not a good coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this team somehow sneaks into the tourney. There are a lot of bad teams out there that will lose games they should win. But sneaking into the tourney isn't going to change my mind (or should it change anyone's) about the actual coach that Zo is. He's shown it with regard to strategy/scouting, in game adjustments, lack of team identity and recruiting. The one thing Zo does is run a clean program.

So yes, there's a lot of time left in the season. I'm sure we'll win a game or two that we shouldn't and lose a few that we shouldn't. It's what happens when your strategy is to "play hard" and rely on some of our guys just to get hot.
 
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NYC Vol said:
OP is right. The season is not over. Anything can happen.

What we have had plenty of time to do, however, is assess Coach Martin as a coach. And the fact is that he's not a good coach. Yes, I said fact. So while some that only want to see the bright side will argue that "there's still a lot of season to go", there's too much evidence to suggest that Zo is a dud as a coach.

When your best argument after 5.5 years as a head coach is "there's still plenty of season to go" and "this team can get hot", he's not a good coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this team somehow sneaks into the tourney. There are a lot of bad teams out there that will lose games they should win. But sneaking into the tourney isn't going to change my mind (or should it change anyone's) about the actual coach that Zo is. He's shown it with regard to strategy/scouting, in game adjustments, lack of team identity and recruiting. The one thing Zo does is run a clean program.

So yes, there's a lot of time left in the season. I'm sure we'll win a game or two that we shouldn't and lose a few that we shouldn't. It's what happens when your strategy is to "play hard" and rely on some of our guys just to get hot.
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Totally agree 100%
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Do you not read? I've said at a least 3 times in this thread that squeaking into the dance as a bubble team isn't some major success.

My point was simply to lay out the facts as to where we stand, and that we aren't doomed for the NIT on 1/12/14
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As I said in my last post, no, we're not doomed for the NIT. But Zo is doomed as a coach at UT. He's simply not a good coach. This team can get hot because we have a lot of talent on it. When I say "get hot", we can make shots and maybe finish the SEC with 5 losses somehow. I don't think it will happen because we can get just as cold and lose to someone we shouldn't.

But the verdict is in on Zo. It's been in for awhile now but each week that goes by just reinforces it. He's not a good coach. The only thing about his program that is above par is the off court conduct. Everything else is subpar.
 
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de3cls said:
We only play KY once this year, at Lexington.
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whobethis16 said:
This right here is what I don't understand. You are whining and complaining about how much you love the Vols, and that you as a fan deserve a better coach, blah blah blah, but you don't even realize that the Vols only play Kentucky once this year. I think the team deserves better fans before you can think you deserve a better coach, or style of play, or whatever.
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I know good and damn well how many freakin' times we play Ky this year. See the "x 2" beside Fla and not beside Ky. They need to win one of those three games.

And get off your damn high horse whobethis16. You try and criticize anyone who has an opinion on Martin or the team. Kiss my ass. I'll say what I want to say and when I want to say it. If you don't like it, put me on ignore. I'm here after any game win or lose.

That loss last night was pure garbage. Anyone wanting to b*tch has plenty reason to b*tch. Get the hell over it. Any team worth their damn salt doesn't lose that game. Yet, UT has lost two like that now and will lose more in the coming season.
 
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whobethis16 said:
No, it's just the most vocal are a bunch of schmucks who were not on here after blasting Virginia, not on here after throttling LSU, and then come on here acting like they know everything and prove how ignorant they are when they obviously have no clue. That's proven simply with every post that says we need to split with Kentucky. If they were really that smart, they'd realize that it is literally as impossible to do it as they believe it is to still make the Dance.
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I'll match wits against you any day of the year. You're a complete dumbass.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I'll match wits against you any day of the year. You're a complete dumbass.
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When you say, and I quote, "I'll say right now that they better beat Fla (x 2) or Ky at least once", it can be assumed that UT plays Kentucky more than once. Who's the dumbass now?
 
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whobethis16 said:
When you say, and I quote, "I'll say right now that they better beat Fla (x 2) or Ky at least once", it can be assumed that UT plays Kentucky more than once. Who's the dumbass now?
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Far be it from me to interject but I'm assuming, when I read that, we have to win 1 game out of the 3 (2 vs Fla and 1 vs UK).
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yet Missouri lost to Georgia who after everything shakes out will probably be worse than A&M....hmmmm
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't say they were going to be worse than A&M did I, where do you keep pulling this stuff from?

I also didn't realize there was 5 minutes to go in the 2nd half of the 2nd A&M game, I was under the impression that games in a few weeks. I remember all the people after UTEP, who said Xavier was gonna whoop our a$$ for the 2nd time, how did that turn out?

Here's as simple as I can state this, they're 10-5, double that (meaning we play similar to how we have), and you've likely got a tourney team :hi:

If you're predicting some horrible finish and us going 3-15 in the SEC then say so, but if we play the final 16 games like we did the first 15 we will be in a position to dance...it's that simple.
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I thought you meant Mizzou would be worse than A & M not UGA. UGA and A & M are both garbage teams that UT shouldn't be losing to at home. Period.

And throw out how Mizzou is going to do. All I care about is UT. Here we are again in mid-Jan hoping and projecting where the hell this team will be yet again in March. Don't you think after 3 years it has gotten old? Can you not see the forest for the trees?

We are in year 3 and we are in the exact same spot we have been in the last 2 years and we have more talent and experience. If this was any other team, you would be criticizing them. If this was Memphis and Pastner having these results with this roster, you would be criticizing him. Anyone that knows anything about basketball would be criticizing this coaching job. Why? Because it's sub standard.

Yet, here we are in year 3 yet again hanging on by a thread and needing to pull some wins out of our ass because we have left little margin for error. Sorry, it has gotten old, stale and predictable.
 
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whobethis16 said:
When you say, and I quote, "I'll say right now that they better beat Fla (x 2) or Ky at least once", it can be assumed that UT plays Kentucky more than once. Who's the dumbass now?
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And maybe you need to see the "x 2" to decipher that. Otherwise, I would've put that beside Ky too. But, nice projecting there and you questioning my "fandom". That's rich. Pathetic, but rich.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
And maybe you need to see the "x 2" to decipher that. Otherwise, I would've put that beside Ky too. But, nice projecting there and you questioning my "fandom". That's rich. Pathetic, but rich.
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It reads "better beat Florida (x2)" which means two times, and "Kentucky at least once" meaning one out of multiple times. Sheesh, what you wrote does not match what was in your simplistic mind.
 
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NYC Vol said:
OP is right. The season is not over. Anything can happen.

What we have had plenty of time to do, however, is assess Coach Martin as a coach. And the fact is that he's not a good coach. Yes, I said fact. So while some that only want to see the bright side will argue that "there's still a lot of season to go", there's too much evidence to suggest that Zo is a dud as a coach.

When your best argument after 5.5 years as a head coach is "there's still plenty of season to go" and "this team can get hot", he's not a good coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this team somehow sneaks into the tourney. There are a lot of bad teams out there that will lose games they should win. But sneaking into the tourney isn't going to change my mind (or should it change anyone's) about the actual coach that Zo is. He's shown it with regard to strategy/scouting, in game adjustments, lack of team identity and recruiting. The one thing Zo does is run a clean program.

So yes, there's a lot of time left in the season. I'm sure we'll win a game or two that we shouldn't and lose a few that we shouldn't. It's what happens when your strategy is to "play hard" and rely on some of our guys just to get hot.
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johnnybravo said:
Totally agree 100%
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Bingo and Yahtzee.

The fact of the matter is there is plenty of game tape to tell whether Martin is a good coach or not. Young coaches need time to develop, but Martin keeps making the same mistakes. He hasn't learned much from them. His staff also does him zero favors. The sad part in this is I have zero confidence in Hart making a good hire if he fires Martin, but he is going to have to pull the plug eventually. I'd rather Martin "figure it out" at some point here, but it is becoming glaringly obvious that he won't. Anyone that doesn't see that is just holding out hope. Well keep hoping. It isn't going to happen.

Even if UT slips into the NCAA tourney, what is our seed probably? I'm guessing 8 or 9. As Pearl stated numerous times, your seed gives you the advantage of advancing or not. That is why you are rewarded with a higher seed. If we're in the 8 or 9 range, we'll be lucky to win 1 game. With this kind of talent, UT should be solidly in the damn tourney. Yet, they won't be.

Did you post over at another UT board under the same name? If so, I remember you I believe.
 
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#242
Who really cares if someone just posts after we lose. It's a crap loss and everyone knows it.
 
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whobethis16 said:
It reads "better beat Florida (x2)" which means two times, and "Kentucky at least once" meaning one out of multiple times. Sheesh, what you wrote does not match what was in your simplistic mind.
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Florida x 2 means twice. Ky without a x 2 means once. Add them together and you get 3. There is your simple math lesson for today. You can argue semantics all you want. You went off on a tangent on something that wasn't there and then started projecting on what it should take to be a fan. Good Lord. Get over your damn self.

The fact of the matter is UT needs to win one of those games. Hell, most college hoops analysts probably think UT now needs to win 2 of those because the SEC sucks and UT choked at home against a garbage team last night.
 
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Unimane said:
20-10, by doubling our current record, doesn't get us in the tournament, barring some good wins during the SEC schedule. We better hope we have a lot of games where we get hot from three, like the UVA game. The SEC won't do us much favors due to its weak status, unless we beat Florida or UK.
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21-10 likely has us in
 
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NYC Vol said:
As I said in my last post, no, we're not doomed for the NIT. But Zo is doomed as a coach at UT. He's simply not a good coach. This team can get hot because we have a lot of talent on it. When I say "get hot", we can make shots and maybe finish the SEC with 5 losses somehow. I don't think it will happen because we can get just as cold and lose to someone we shouldn't.

But the verdict is in on Zo. It's been in for awhile now but each week that goes by just reinforces it. He's not a good coach. The only thing about his program that is above par is the off court conduct. Everything else is subpar.
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Unfortunately if Zo makes the dance you're gonna have to deal with him for a few more years, and watch him sign his contract giving him an extension and a raise.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I thought you meant Mizzou would be worse than A & M not UGA. UGA and A & M are both garbage teams that UT shouldn't be losing to at home. Period.

And throw out how Mizzou is going to do. All I care about is UT. Here we are again in mid-Jan hoping and projecting where the hell this team will be yet again in March. Don't you think after 3 years it has gotten old? Can you not see the forest for the trees?

We are in year 3 and we are in the exact same spot we have been in the last 2 years and we have more talent and experience. If this was any other team, you would be criticizing them. If this was Memphis and Pastner having these results with this roster, you would be criticizing him. Anyone that knows anything about basketball would be criticizing this coaching job. Why? Because it's sub standard.

Yet, here we are in year 3 yet again hanging on by a thread and needing to pull some wins out of our ass because we have left little margin for error. Sorry, it has gotten old, stale and predictable.
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Why do you and others keep doing this? Do you not real my posts, or read them but think they say something different?

I have said countless times, sneaking in as a bubble teams isn't some great success with this team. That would be a disappointment. Ok?

All I am saying, is that as of 1/12/13 this Tennessee team is still projected in the dance by most, and is hardly doomed for the NIT after that loss. Lose a few more like that, and yes they'll be out, but as of now they're still in a position to get an at large bid.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You happy with your hiding after the LSU game because you were completely wrong on your predictions? Funny how you spewed all that crap and when they were up 15 you were avoiding this site.
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I don't care about that game, I don't care about last nights' game. It doesn't match which mediocre team we beat or which mediocre team we lose to. The big picture is this program, and it is in shambles. We are not in good shape, barely making the tournament is not a positive for this team. 4 senior starters, talent this guy clearly will never replicate again. Who cares if we play good 2 out of 3 games and the 3rd is an abysmal performance?
 
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