You wanna complain fine, but quit acting as if the seasons over

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OrangeBalls said:
His in game coaching is sub par. A & M adjusted and what did UT do? Martin had no answers. You hold them to 18 points in the 1st half and allow them to score 39 in the 2nd? Good Lord.

A & M is a young team and that was their first true road game. UT had more talent and more experience. Yet, A & M looked like the veteran team that went on the road and got the victory. If I'm Martin, I'd be embarrassed as hell at that outcome.
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My opinion is that we just lost focus. That's on the coach so don't think I'm excusing him,
I just don't think it was like he was drawing on the board trying everything and still being outcoached.

The players said it, and I'm guessing that was the mood in the locker room, which is Martin's fault. They lost focus, though A&M was gonna roll over (<quote from a player), and basically quit playing.
 
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#277
NYC Vol said:
So you judge a coach and his ability to coach each night if he wins? That's it? So if we beat Tennessee Tech he was a good coach that night cause we won? That's the criteria?
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No that's not what I said, you're trying to over simplify things. On the flip side, you may find a hell of a coach, but who doesn't win...what the F good does that do? At the end of the day it's about wins and losses.

Like I said, he has beaten plenty of good teams and coaches for me to think its a coincidence. Beating LSU and Virginia the way we did isn't some fluke, it was a good job of coaching and game planning by Martin IMO.

The first half last night was a good half, I just thought we really lost focus coming out of the half, and that's on him.
 
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#278
bleedingTNorange said:
My opinion is that we just lost focus. That's on the coach so don't think I'm excusing him,
I just don't think it was like he was drawing on the board trying everything and still being outcoached.

The players said it, and I'm guessing that was the mood in the locker room, which is Martin's fault. They lost focus, though A&M was gonna roll over (<quote from a player), and basically quit playing.
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I read those quotes and that was disturbing. You have Srs in Barton, Maymon and McRae. Then you have Richardson and Stokes who are Jrs that have played a ton of games. It's pathetic that we're at this point of the season with this kind of talent and experience and we're still losing these type of games. That's a huge red flag IMO. It tells me all I need to know. We lack leadership on the floor and on the bench.
 
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#279
bleedingTNorange said:
No that's not what I said, you're trying to over simplify things. On the flip side, you may find a hell of a coach, but who doesn't win...what the F good does that do? At the end of the day it's about wins and losses.

Like I said, he has beaten plenty of good teams and coaches for me to think its a coincidence. Beating LSU and Virginia the way we did isn't some fluke, it was a good job of coaching and game planning by Martin IMO.

The first half last night was a good half, I just thought we really lost focus coming out of the half, and that's on him.
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So when you say "plenty", I assume you're referring to Fla and....?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Most nights? Yes IMO. He's won more than he's lost.

It's clear he's not a veteran coach, but every coach starts some where. He has shown flashes IMO, but the inconsistency is an issue IMO. He had a great game plan against LSU, and the plan to down the screen worked tremendously and frustrated LSU all night.

He needs to become more consistent, do that and I think he can lead Tennessee to 20+ wins a year.

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this is stupid. It isn't about veteran. We're all but uncoached. Offense is idiotic or doesn't exist, we play no d, our shooting gets worse and we cant pass. In game coaching is the worst in our conference. There isn't a single team in our conference that would trade even for our staff and there are others that suck.
 
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NYC Vol said:
So when you say "plenty", I assume you're referring to Fla and....?
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Virginia isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Xavier isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Calipari isn't a good coach, and didn't have a talented team? We beat them by 30.

Calhoun isn't a HOF, didn't have a good team? We beat them.

Donovan isn't a great coach, hasn't had talented and experienced teams? Martin is 3-0 against him.

Greg Marshall is a nobody, didn't have a final four team last year? Martin out coached him last year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My opinion is that we just lost focus. That's on the coach so don't think I'm excusing him,
I just don't think it was like he was drawing on the board trying everything and still being outcoached.

The players said it, and I'm guessing that was the mood in the locker room, which is Martin's fault. They lost focus, though A&M was gonna roll over (<quote from a player), and basically quit playing.
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Focus my ass. We allowed that game to slow to a crawl and we stayed in that dumbass double high post with an advantage in the low post. We didn't give Caruso room to shoot, but let his non shooting ass to get to the hole. The crap we pulled was stupid . The last minute was even stupider. There is no defending the coaching. The play sucked, but the coaching is actually a negative for this team at this point.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
this is stupid. It isn't about veteran. We're all but uncoached. Offense is idiotic or doesn't exist, we play no d, our shooting gets worse and we cant pass. In game coaching is the worst in our conference. There isn't a single team in our conference that would trade even for our staff and there are others that suck.
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Lmao

No offense, but we rank top 20 in the country in offensive efficiency, thanks for the insight Cletus.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Focus my ass. We allowed that game to slow to a crawl and we stayed in that dumbass double high post with an advantage in the low post. We didn't give Caruso room to shoot, but let his non shooting ass to get to the hole. The crap we pulled was stupid . The last minute was even stupider. There is no defending the coaching. The play sucked, but the coaching is actually a negative for this team at this point.
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I agree. I'm not sure who was on the sidelines when we drubbed LSU or Virginia, but we need more of that guy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Virginia isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Xavier isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Calipari isn't a good coach, and didn't have a talented team? We beat them by 30.

Calhoun isn't a HOF, didn't have a good team? We beat them.

Donovan isn't a great coach, hasn't had talented and experienced teams? Martin is 3-0 against him.

Greg Marshall is a nobody, didn't have a final four team last year? Martin out coached him last year.
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This is all one off crap borne of a few good shooting nights, which is part of a 30 game schedule.

VA sucks. Xavier sucks.

We don't outcoach anyone.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is all one off crap borne of a few good shooting nights, which is part of a 30 game schedule.

VA sucks. Xavier sucks.

We don't outcoach anyone.
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Lmao, your agenda is clear. Tennessee wins it's because the players got hot, no credit to Martin. Tennessee losses and the players aren't coached properly and it's all Martin's fault.

As for Virginia and Xavier, they're both gonna be in the tourney, so way to really flex your mental muscle there.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree. I'm not sure who was on the sidelines when we drubbed LSU or Virginia, but we need more of that guy.
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It's moronic to pretend coaching mattered in those. He couldn't detract enough to keep 50+% three point shooting and disinterested OBryant from winning.

Anecdotal one off wins mean dick. We went to two NITs and regularly get beat by lesser teams. We have no offense and no defense. We have enough talent to beat the crap we see.

Strategically and tactically we're idiotic.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Virginia isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Xavier isn't a good team? RPI in the 20s

Calipari isn't a good coach, and didn't have a talented team? We beat them by 30.

Calhoun isn't a HOF, didn't have a good team? We beat them.

Donovan isn't a great coach, hasn't had talented and experienced teams? Martin is 3-0 against him.

Greg Marshall is a nobody, didn't have a final four team last year? Martin out coached him last year.
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So far I count 2 tourney teams from that list. Fla and Wichita St.

UConn fell apart that year and if you even think about including UK last year you're on crack.

UVA? We'll see how their year plays out. They're more inconsistent than we are.

So plenty equals 2, maybe 3, in 2.5 years. Gotcha.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's moronic to pretend coaching mattered in those. He couldn't detract enough to keep 50+% three point shooting and disinterested OBryant from winning.

Anecdotal one off wins mean dick. We went to two NITs and regularly get beat by lesser teams. We have no offense and no defense. We have enough talent to beat the crap we see.

Strategically and tactically we're idiotic.
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I agree, beating Marshall and a final four team last year while shooting 20% from 3 was all because of the players hitting shots.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, your agenda is clear. Tennessee wins it's because the players got hot, no credit to Martin. Tennessee losses and the players aren't coached properly and it's all Martin's fault.

As for Virginia and Xavier, they're both gonna be in the tourney, so way to really flex your mental muscle there.
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You're a basketball moron. Making the dance from garbage conferences doesn't mean dick. 68 motherfreaking teams make it. 60 freaking 8. We're praying to be one with top 30 talent. That's pathetic.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, your agenda is clear. Tennessee wins it's because the players got hot, no credit to Martin. Tennessee losses and the players aren't coached properly and it's all Martin's fault.

As for Virginia and Xavier, they're both gonna be in the tourney, so way to really flex your mental muscle there.
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I wouldn't bet on that just yet.
 
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NYC Vol said:
So far I count 2 tourney teams from that list. Fla and Wichita St.

UConn fell apart that year and if you even think about including UK last year you're on crack.

UVA? We'll see how their year plays out. Their more inconsistent than we are.

So plenty equals 2, maybe 3, in 2.5 years. Gotcha.
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Martin has beaten 2 tourney teams in 2.5 years, is that what you just said? Lol
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, beating Marshall and a final four team last year while shooting 20% from 3 was all because of the players hitting shots.
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Two freaking games of 30 mean nothing. You claim an agenda but can't begin to tell me how Martin plans to win games or how this team wins them. There isn't a plan.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Two freaking games of 30 mean nothing. You claim an agenda but can't begin to tell me how Martin plans to win games or how this team wins them. There isn't a plan.
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So you make a statement, and when you're proven wrong you change the subject, solid strategy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Would you like to wager the opposite?
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What was the gameplan yesterday? Why the double high post the whole second half with a huge advantage low? Why? Why up on Caruso? Why?

Why inbound in the corner over and over with no TOs? Why no TO at the end? Why no TO when McRae got trapped? Why no low post in the second half? Why?
 
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