You wanna complain fine, but quit acting as if the seasons over

#76
#76
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm as mad as anyone, that may be the worst loss of the Zo era simply because of how we choked it away.

However, that loss doesn't doom us to the CBI all of a sudden. I will guarantee we are still in the next updated brackets, and our RPI will still be decent. We obviously just made it a bit harder on ourselves, but to act as if there's no way this team can make the tourney now is simply overreacting.
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I don't disagree with any of this and your points are fair. However, and some point it has to be about what this team has accomplished, not what they mathematically still might accomplish. Every loss such as this one, like you posted earlier, means they have to make up for it somewhere. The inconsistency is troubling. :hi:
 
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#77
#77
SpringBokVol said:
I am feeling pretty good about ours after tonight.

I still think ut has played its best game and will be hot and cold all season long.
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They can be hot and cold and still make it. It will take more than this one bad conference loss to keep them out of the tourney.
 
#78
#78
VolsSportsFan said:
It's not so much I don't believe we absolutely CANNOT make the NCAAT, it's that I don't trust Martin to get this team TO the NCAAT.

In other words, it's possible, yes, but Martin isn't giving me anything to base my faith in him on.
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THIS! Technically do we have a chance? Yes. With Cuonzo being the coach? Nope! Season over!
 
#79
#79
Shouldn't have lost to UTEP and a bad NC State team at home that lost by 30 to UVA tonight. Then we blew the game tonight. Those 3 losses are inexcusable for our talent level. Plan and simple.
 
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#80
TennesseeFan07 said:
I understand the point you're trying to make, but this team has too much talent and experience to even be in this position. I understand tough losses to Xavier and Wichita on the road, but the other three losses are inexcusable, especially considering the talent this team has. I'm probably even a bigger Cuonzo fan than you, but I'm just discouraged with these bad losses. There's plenty of time to turn it around, but it's just discouraging to see this team in this position.
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See you're now discussing something completely different. I'm not saying I'm ok with squeaking in, or that that's what we should be doing...I'm simply saying we are still in pretty good position to make the dance.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm as mad as anyone, that may be the worst loss of the Zo era simply because of how we choked it away.

However, that loss doesn't doom us to the CBI all of a sudden. I will guarantee we are still in the next updated brackets, and our RPI will still be decent. We obviously just made it a bit harder on ourselves, but to act as if there's no way this team can make the tourney now is simply overreacting.
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I love when people tell me how I should feel, thanks for clearing that up for me
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Did you predict us beating LSU on the road or Virginia at home by 30?

Point being, we are still in a spot to make the dance.

You wanna complain about the loss be my guest, but acting as if there's no chance to now make the tourney is foolish.
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There is still a chance. However, please stop using one good win to overshadow this teams horrid performance. We play down to competition, and have no discipline. This team barely deserves a flipping participation award let alone an NCAA bid. Mediocre expectations from fans will result in this poo poo we see on the court.
 
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Freak said:
I don't disagree with any of this and your points are fair. However, and some point it has to be about what this team has accomplished, not what they mathematically still might accomplish. Every loss such as this one, like you posted earlier, means they have to make up for it somewhere. The inconsistency is troubling. :hi:
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What has this team accomplished?

2 wins over top 35 RPI teams?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
See you're now discussing something completely different. I'm not saying I'm ok with squeaking in, or that that's what we should be doing...I'm simply saying we are still in pretty good position to make the dance.
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I agree we're in a better spot to get in at this point than we have been the past 2 seasons, most of us just haven't seen enough from the staff to convince us they can lead us in. I hope i'm wrong though, I want us to succeed just as much as any other VOL fan.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Shouldn't have lost to UTEP and a bad NC State team at home that lost by 30 to UVA tonight. Then we blew the game tonight. Those 3 losses are inexcusable for our talent level. Plan and simple.
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Nobody has said otherwise?

But Tennessee smashed that Virginia team by 30, and destroyed a LSU team that is supposed to be top 5 in the league.

The potential is there to go on runs, and beat good teams, as evidenced by the previous 4 games.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nobody has said otherwise?

But Tennessee smashed that Virginia team by 30, and destroyed a LSU team that is supposed to be top 5 in the league.

The potential is there to go on runs, and beat good teams, as evidenced by the previous 4 games.
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Agreed.

But would you also agree there is potential to go the other direction as well?
 
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My hat goes off to BTO. The guy knows more about the basketball program than any poster on this board. He sticks around thick and thin. I'm not a huge CCM fan. I think he's a great guy and runs a good program. I think as far as pure coaching Rick Byrd from Belmont would and still be a better hire. I don't think Tennessee would be willing to spend mega bucks on a coach like Gregg Marshall. I think the biggest disadvantage Tennessee has right now is not CCM its the fact the NCAA views the SEC as a weak conference. 4 teams max will get a bid more like 3 if Florida or Kentucky win the conference tournament. So theres Tenn, Ole Miss, Missouri, and Arky all fighting for one spot. In conclusion, the game is played on the court. So it will all play itself out. Theres still 14 games left and yes both Florida and Kentucky will get upset an some point this season.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
There is still a chance. However, please stop using one good win to overshadow this teams horrid performance. We play down to competition, and have no discipline. This team barely deserves a flipping participation award let alone an NCAA bid. Mediocre expectations from fans will result in this poo poo we see on the court.
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We have one good win?
 
#90
#90
etsuvol13 said:
There is still a chance. However, please stop using one good win to overshadow this teams horrid performance. We play down to competition, and have no discipline. This team barely deserves a flipping participation award let alone an NCAA bid. Mediocre expectations from fans will result in this poo poo we see on the court.
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Xavier, LSU away, and the UVA wins are good wins, but it's our consistency that worries me.
 
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#91
BTO, love your optimism, but I would counter with this:

Still being able to make the tournament and actually believing we will do it are 2 very different things. This team has given me no reason to believe they can do it, so I don't believe they will. I'm sure we'll grab a few more decent/good wins, and maybe even a great one, but I see nothing that shows me we can consistently avoid horrific losses such as this one. That makes 3 already this year, and we're about halfway through the season.

So yeah, we'll go on another 3-4 game win streak or two I'm sure. And, eternal optimist and fool that I am, I'll jump back in again and again and again. Then we'll lose to Bama. Or USCe. You get the point.

So while I agree we're not out of it, I just don't think we WILL actually make the tourney.
 
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#92
#92
This team has juniors and seniors starting. Martin is in his third year. I was expecting more.
 
#93
#93
SpringBokVol said:
Agreed.

But would you also agree there is potential to go the other direction as well?
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Sure, you can say that about any team though no?

Everyone wants to point to Martin's "history" as evidence....what's his track record after January 11th? He wins more than he losses.

So the people saying we are gonna fall apart, are actually saying Martin is gonna do something that his team hasn't done. If this team follows his other teams path, they will be in the dance.
 
#94
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sure, you can say that about any team though no?

Everyone wants to point to Martin's "history" as evidence....what's his track record after January 11th? He wins more than he losses.

So the people saying we are gonna fall apart, are actually saying Martin is gonna do something that his team hasn't done. If this team follows his other teams path, they will be in the dance.
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That is a fair point. His teams do play well down the stretch.
 
#95
#95
utfan72408 said:
BTO, love your optimism, but I would counter with this:

Still being able to make the tournament and actually believing we will do it are 2 very different things. This team has given me no reason to believe they can do it, so I don't believe they will. I'm sure we'll grab a few more decent/good wins, and maybe even a great one, but I see nothing that shows me we can consistently avoid horrific losses such as this one. That makes 3 already this year, and we're about halfway through the season.

So yeah, we'll go on another 3-4 game win streak or two I'm sure. And, eternal optimist and fool that I am, I'll jump back in again and again and again. Then we'll lose to Bama. Or USCe. You get the point.

So while I agree we're not out of it, I just don't think we WILL actually make the tourney.
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And that's a fair argument

But that's suggesting that they're gonna do something Martin's teams usually don't....they usually get better and finish strong.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Sure, you can say that about any team though no?

Everyone wants to point to Martin's "history" as evidence....what's his track record after January 11th? He wins more than he losses.

So the people saying we are gonna fall apart, are actually saying Martin is gonna do something that his team hasn't done. If this team follows his other teams path, they will be in the dance.
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We shouldn't have to wait until midseason for this team to start playing well. He's 3 years in, has a team with a lot of talent, it shouldn't take them until midseason to start playing decent basketball. It's inexcusable. I know you haven't said otherwise, i'm just saying.
 
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#97
#97
Lol...maybe in a week we can end this tournament talk and save all of our hope up for a Georgia type run in the tournament.
 
#98
#98
bleedingTNorange said:
See you're now discussing something completely different. I'm not saying I'm ok with squeaking in, or that that's what we should be doing...I'm simply saying we are still in pretty good position to make the dance.
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Agreed, but I'm not sure I'd use the term, "pretty good shape" when referring to a team that already has three terrible losses with basically an entire SEC season ahead of them. Should they get in? Yes. Will they get in? Due to the inconsistencies of this team, I wouldn't bet a large sum on it.
 
#99
#99
Berry4Heisman14 said:
We shouldn't have to wait until midseason for this team to start playing well. He's 3 years in, has a team with a lot of talent, it shouldn't take them until midseason to start playing decent basketball. It's inexcusable. I know you haven't said otherwise, i'm just saying.
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Ever heard of "mid-season form?" It's quite common in basketball.
 
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