Young/Anderson/Hyatt

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Trying to catch Joes overthrows

Youre being more than a little weird with your hate for our QB.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

No disrespect to Jalin; he’s cemented his legacy and I wish him the best. That being said I don’t understand the opt out trend. Why is it suddenly acceptable to bail on your teammates during bowl season when it wasn’t acceptable to do so for generations prior?

He made his money during the Alabama game. He should have opted out of the rest of the season.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

At some point NIL money will be a player in opt outs.

Paying kids money, but not enough to encourage the kids to actually play in the games, is wasting money for nothing.

 

[Blackburn]

I don't love our players opting out of the bowl game but it's their future on the line and they can do whatever they believe is best for them. I'll still watch the game and cheer for the guys on the field.

 

[NCFisher]

This guy gets it.
The Controversy Over Players Skipping Bowl Games Is Actually About Moral Philosophy. - Dawg Sports

....."So if you’re wondering how on earth anybody could ever be mad about a player choosing to do what is best for themselves, well, here it is!

Breaking your commitment to the team is just wrong. Keeping your commitments to the team is just good, regardless of the consequences.

If you get hurt? Yeah that sucks, but you did the right thing, and that is what is most important.

I have some sympathy for this argument, and I appreciate how it is at least based in some kind of moral framework for evaluating other actions as well.

But then, there’s the trouble, right? When you start comparing it to other actions it seems to me that sitting out a bowl game can’t be on the list of true goods of the universe?

It feels, well, like a kinda childish way of treating the complexity of the Bowl Game Choice as a moral choice for folks who have risked their bodies for at least three years just to get to this one opportunity. More importantly, this is the bill of goods they were sold when they were recruited. The whole endeavor has been building to this.

The fact that we expect them to do something different says more about us, as fans, than it does about their character as players.

There is often an ugliness at the heart of fandom—even the fandom that thinks they are honestly just arguing that keeping your commitments is a moral good. And the ugliness is this—we expect sports to tell us a particular story about the world that makes the world sensible and more bearable. And we need athletes for that story. But athletes never agreed to be the actors in a story about the world. They were promised a way to better themselves. To the extent that we resent them for not participating in the manner we need in the story about the world that we want to hear, we have failed as moral agents.

So, this Bowl Season, let’s do less of that."

 

[NCFisher]

..."Michigan tight end Jake Butt suffered a torn ACL in the 2016 Orange Bowl. He slipped from a first-round projection to fifth-round pick.

Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith suffered a significant knee injury in the 2016 Fiesta Bowl that cost him an estimated $20 million in first-round money. Smith was eventually drafted in the second but put on injured reserve by the Dallas Cowboys his rookie season. He later collected $700,000 cashing in on a loss of draft value insurance policy -- significantly short of that $20 million.

"It is unreal," said Ronnie Kaymore, CEO of New Jersey-based Kaymore Sports Risk Management and Consulting. "… It all stems from the Jaylon Smith scenario. The kid did collect on his insurance but he lost far more than what he was compensated for. I don't know what the schools do to rectify. At most schools, it's going to become a problem."
Taboo in the not-too-distant past, players opting out of bowl games has quickly become a trend

"But, but, just give them an insurance policy!!" says the narcissistic fan who blithely recommends risking the dollar for the dime, and vilifies them without end for not accepting this award-winning advice and having actual skin in the game.

 

[OrangeShades]

I suppose these tenants are trite and have no value any longer.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win.” – Vince Lombardi

“Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.” – Vince Lombardi

I firmly believe that any man’s finest hours – his greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear – is that moment when he has worked his heart out in good cause and lies exhausted on the field with his teammates in battle – victorious.” – Vince Lombardi

Well Damn Vince...now that's a powerful pep talk for any generation!!!!

 

[Good2bavol]

Hmmmm...... bowls are not worth risking unless you are playing for a national championship? Here are some questions:

How much money will Stetson Bennett make playing for a national championship? If he gets hurt, won't it cost him NFL millions as well such as has been pointed out here? Why should he risk it just for a trophy that (may) remain in Athens?

Should Vanderbilt even field a team? None of their games matter because they will never be playing for a NC.

If the goal is to go to the NFL and make millions, why not just go straight to the NFL out of High School, like so many kids do in the NBA?

If it is so dangerous to play, should parents even allow their children to participate in such a dangerous activity?

Again, all these players opting out is their right to do, but no one can convince me that quitting on your team because of risk of earnings is the right thing to do.

But I'm just a guy posting on a board.....

 

[NCFisher]

Hmmmm...... bowls are not worth risking unless you are playing for a national championship? Here are some questions:

How much money will Stetson Bennett make playing for a national championship? If he gets hurt, won't it cost him NFL millions as well such as has been pointed out here? Why should he risk it just for a trophy that (may) remain in Athens?

Should Vanderbilt even field a team? None of their games matter because they will never be playing for a NC.

If the goal is to go to the NFL and make millions, why not just go straight to the NFL out of High School, like so many kids do in the NBA?

If it is so dangerous to play, should parents even allow their children to participate in such a dangerous activity?

Again, all these players opting out is their right to do, but no one can convince me that quitting on your team because of risk of earnings is the right thing to do.

But I'm just a guy posting on a board.....

Spend three years of your life risking your body and brain health hundreds of days regardless of weather, literally living & breathing UT football, just so angry man-children masquerading as 'fans' can trash your character. For not risking the very opportunity the school recruited you with, in a post season game in which the program is probably better served by playing & developing your replacement, anyway.

Then you won't be just a guy on a board with no skin in the game.

 

[Good2bavol]

Spend three years of your life risking your body and brain health hundreds of days regardless of weather, literally living & breathing UT football, just so angry man-children masquerading as 'fans' can trash your character. For not risking the very opportunity the school recruited you with, in a post season game in which the program is probably better served by playing & developing your replacement, anyway.

Then you won't be just a guy on a board with no skin in the game.

You are absolutely correct. It is much too difficult for these players for all three years. The players are not smart enough to know what they are getting into when being recruited. They have been dooped. They should know that they don't love the game and their teammates. They should know that TEAM means T-elling E-verybody A-bout M-e

Character is doing what is right when no one is looking. How about when everyone is looking?

But obviously you believe that what you may earn has more value than character..... and you call me names? HAHAHAHA

 

[Boston Vol]

I suppose these tenants are trite and have no value any longer.

“Winners never quit and quitters never win.” – Vince Lombardi

“Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.” – Vince Lombardi

I firmly believe that any man’s finest hours – his greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear – is that moment when he has worked his heart out in good cause and lies exhausted on the field with his teammates in battle – victorious.” – Vince Lombardi

This has nothing to do with what I posted, so I’ll ask again. Who made you grand arbiter of who is and isn’t a VFL?

 

[bicenTENNial]

..."Michigan tight end Jake Butt suffered a torn ACL in the 2016 Orange Bowl. He slipped from a first-round projection to fifth-round pick.

Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith suffered a significant knee injury in the 2016 Fiesta Bowl that cost him an estimated $20 million in first-round money. Smith was eventually drafted in the second but put on injured reserve by the Dallas Cowboys his rookie season. He later collected $700,000 cashing in on a loss of draft value insurance policy -- significantly short of that $20 million.

"It is unreal," said Ronnie Kaymore, CEO of New Jersey-based Kaymore Sports Risk Management and Consulting. "… It all stems from the Jaylon Smith scenario. The kid did collect on his insurance but he lost far more than what he was compensated for. I don't know what the schools do to rectify. At most schools, it's going to become a problem."
Taboo in the not-too-distant past, players opting out of bowl games has quickly become a trend

"But, but, just give them an insurance policy!!" says the narcissistic fan who blithely recommends risking the dollar for the dime, and vilifies them without end for not accepting this award-winning advice and having actual skin in the game.

Well in that case just don't play NCAA at all.. Oh wait

 

[Boston Vol]

This game doesn’t matter ? Why ? Because it’s not for the NC ? Tell that to the 85 Vols. Say what you want, but where is the line drawn ? Does this mean eventually guys gonna quit mid season after a stellar 1st half ?

The game is completely different now than it was in 1985. In the mid-80s, the national championship was important, but many viewed winning the SEC and going to the Sugar Bowl every bit as meaningful as a national title. That started to changed in the ‘90s thanks to the BCS. But the playoff has especially made it to where people view bowl games outside of the playoff as “meaningless.”

 

[Good2bavol]

This has nothing to do with what I posted, so I’ll ask again. Who made you grand arbiter of who is and isn’t a VFL?

Because I decide what I believe and you have no impact on my thoughts. You may not agree, and that's okay, but I will decide whom I believe is a VFL and you decide that anyone can be a VFL. Hey, we have 15,000 VFL's crossing the southern border everyday. Woo Hoo!

 

[NCFisher]

Well in that case just don't play NCAA at all.. Oh wait

Ah, another 'fan' giving his all.

 

[NCFisher]

You are absolutely correct. It is much too difficult for these players for all three years. The players are not smart enough to know what they are getting into when being recruited. They have been dooped. They should know that they don't love the game and their teammates. They should know that TEAM means T-elling E-verybody A-bout M-e

Character is doing what is right when no one is looking. How about when everyone is looking?

But obviously you believe that what you may earn has more value than character..... and you call me names? HAHAHAHA

The word is 'duped', which no one implied they were so WTH are you babbling about? Guys with pro potential are recruited for that potential and promises made to help them get there. Hyatt's done right for three years, spectator, and he's second only to Hooker for putting UT back on the map. UT has earned millions on the guy, now he gets to earn his.

If only he'd contributed as much as true fans anonymously proclaiming their own character from their couch, while displaying little.

 

[vols 30]

Ah, another 'fan' giving his all.

Better than the "fan" who has no idea or has never been part of a team. "Quit now and worry about yourself"

Don't give all. Just care a little

 

[chuckb1448]

Opting out of 60 more minutes..... it is "Me Syndrome" at its finest

 

[NCFisher]

Better than the "fan" who has no idea or has never been part of a team. "Quit now and worry about yourself"

Don't give all. Just care a little

Hooker didn't sit out a bowl game to preserve his draft status, but flat out quit his Hokie team. For himself, to paraphrase your objection. In fact, Heupel actively recruits quitters every year. Your argument is nonsense unless you want him to stop recruiting quitters.

What you want, regardless of what might be better for Hyatt, is for him to play and disregard the draft risk. You think it increases the chances of a TN win and you really don't care about the player. Instead of masquerading as a team guy, just care a little about the players.

 

[vols 30]

Hooker didn't sit out a bowl game to preserve his draft status, but flat out quit his Hokie team. For himself, to paraphrase your objection. In fact, Heupel actively recruits quitters every year. Your argument is nonsense unless you want him to stop recruiting quitters.

What you want, regardless of what might be better for Hyatt, is for him to play and disregard the draft risk. You think it increases the chances of a TN win and you really don't care about the player. Instead of masquerading as a team guy, just care a little about the players.

Why not quit after the Bama game? He probably secured his draft status then. The draft risk was also there for UK, SC and Vandy

I'll always put the team b4 any individual player. Always.

 

[NCFisher]

Why not quit after the Bama game? He probably secured his draft status then. The draft risk was also there for UK, SC and Vandy

I'll always put the team b4 any individual player. Always.

Probably because the expectations are a regular season 12 game schedule, a conference championship if a division winner, and a CFP spot. I'd bet he plays with a CFP spot which is quite different that an elective bowl bid.

He didn't 'quit' during the season so why ask a pointless question? Again, why does this 'quitter' bother you but none of the other quitters on the team, nor those Heupel keeps recruiting?

The individual players are the team, guy. Just be honest; you'll always put your own desires before any player or the team. Always.

 

[NCFisher]

Heupel and his team mates don't call Hyatt a quitter, so why do pious true fans who've no stake except vicarious thrills lived through barely adult young men?

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“What an awesome story, right? Proud of him,” Heupel said Saturday after Tennessee wrapped up its bowl practice. “All of those individual awards come through team success and a team working together, so extremely excited for him. Excited for our football team that he gets recognized in that way. The season that he had, everybody’s heard the story, right? Wanting to be a great player versus working to be a great player, man, he paid the price and he reaped the rewards.

“Really proud of him and what he accomplished all year long and it’s a great story that will live forever inside of this building for our future players and future teams.”
Hyatt turned what was a disappointing 2021 season (21 catches for 226 yards and two touchdowns in a bit-part role) into motivation for a complete overhaul of his mindset and approach starting in January. He basically lived in the Anderson Training Center as he sought out ways to improve. Hyatt put on more than 15 pounds to be able to hold up better physically, pushed through some challenges during spring practice and continued to improve his game.

Though he was just 32 yards away from the single-season Tennessee receiving record, Hyatt chose not to play in the Orange Bowl and focus on solidifying himself as one of the top wide receivers in the 2023 NFL Draft over the next few months, a decision that some won’t like, though Heupel and Hyatt’s teammates are among those supportive of the move.

“We want guys to have the opportunity to go to that level and to be a high draft pick and maximize their value,” Heupel said. “The conversations, we use not just coaches, but resources and you try to get them the right information in front of them so that they can make a right decision for them and their family. Whether that’s Jalin, whether it’s Darnell (Wright), all of those guys – you feel like they have the education, they have the information. Then you let them make a great decision.

“Excited for Jalin, his future. Know he’s going to be a high draft pick and excited that we had a huge part in his journey. This is going to be his home forever.” Heupel hails Jalin Hyatt’s Biletnikoff win, talks bowl opt-out & NFL Draft decision
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Now contrast with Dabo's delirious "if a player opts-out of a bowl, he should opt out the whole season". Or Saban knowing those insurance policies don't begin to cover the lost injury draft $$. Which coach and team has a healthy environment that is player centric? Which one are you sending your freshman WR to?

The 'quitter' talk is not a player, coach, or team thing; it's a selfish, irrational fan thing.

 

[NCFisher]

Self-interested fans don't speak for "the TEAM". In fact, I'd wager players (who actually risk their health hundreds of days on the field) resent fans who don't care about them individually, proposing to speak for them; about their team.
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Vols take no issue with Orange Bowl opt-out decisions of star wideouts
If Hyatt’s decision was about risk-aversion, Tillman’s was more health-related as he looks to get fully healthy for the Senior Bowl at the start of February after being limited to six games after an early-season high ankle sprain.

“For Jalin and Ced, man, it hurts, but it’s life,” Milton said after Wednesday’s practice. “Those guys got things that they’ve got to take care of. They’ve got a family to take care of. I mean, it may hurt, it may not, but at the end of the day, they’ve got to do what’s best for them. Me personally, I feel like that was a right idea for them, just because injuries, you never know what can happen.

“Those guys played their hearts out for Tennessee. However long they’ve been here, they played their heart (out) for Tennessee. I feel like they gave their all. Obviously for Jalin, he had a heck of a year, so for him doing all that, I mean, he make his own choices, man.”

“I couldn’t have been more happy for them,” McCoy said. “I think we saw what they were able to accomplish on the field and us as a team were, and just to see guys that you grind with every day be able to go live out their dreams, there’s no better feeling than that.”
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[vols 30]

Probably because the expectations are a regular season 12 game schedule, a conference championship if a division winner, and a CFP spot. I'd bet he plays with a CFP spot which is quite different that an elective bowl bid.

He didn't 'quit' during the season so why ask a pointless question? Again, why does this 'quitter' bother you but none of the other quitters on the team, nor those Heupel keeps recruiting?

The individual players are the team, guy. Just be honest; you'll always put your own desires before any player or the team. Always.

I feel the same about Tillman too.

If anyone is putting their own desires b4 the team, it's you. You want him to leave for money. You don't care at all about the bowl game.

 

[bicenTENNial]

Ah, another 'fan' giving his all.

Naw.. I'm just a team player.. Thanks for your input though