Your heisman vote goes to.....

#26
#26
Tebow by a couple of touchdowns.

1) He's the premier player form the highest ranked team with a viable candidate; 2) He set records in several respects, and not miniscule records at that; 3) He is fun to watch and an easy-going guy who will do well with the attention.
 
#27
#27
lawgator1 said:
Tebow by a couple of touchdowns.

1) He's the premier player form the highest ranked team with a viable candidate; 2) He set records in several respects, and not miniscule records at that; 3) He is fun to watch and an easy-going guy who will do well with the attention.
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....and gosh darn it, people like me.


:sick:
 
#31
#31
jakez4ut said:
actually i'd give more credance to that........it's not like FL has a running back they can legitimately count on, so they run tebow. they run him a lot. everyone knows it. and no one has stopped it to the tune of 51 td's.

and he did that in the SEC against supposedly very good defenses.
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this was the worst set of defenses I have ever seen in the SEC, but that argument works against McFadden as well.

McFadden's my guy because everyone in the stadium keyed on him in every game (because their passing game actually set back AR football 50 years) and he still managed to abuse some teams (LSU, AL and SC were thoroughly abused)
 
#32
#32
Anyone picking someone besides Tebow just isn't watching the games and/or hates the gators.
 
#33
#33
BigPapaVol said:
this was the worst set of defenses I have ever seen in the SEC, but that argument works against McFadden as well.

McFadden's my guy because everyone in the stadium keyed on him in every game (because their passing game actually set back AR football 50 years) and he still managed to abuse some teams (LSU, AL and SC were thoroughly abused)
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and the same isn't true of Tebow?

the thing, imo, that separates the two is that Tebow did something that no other qb has ever done.

there's not another player that can put that on their resume this year.
 
#37
#37
jakez4ut said:
and the same isn't true of Tebow?
the thing, imo, that separates the two is that Tebow did something that no other qb has ever done.

there's not another player that can put that on their resume this year.
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Tebow had Harvin and people actually had to defend a forward pass.
 
#38
#38
jakez4ut said:
and the same isn't true of Tebow?

the thing, imo, that separates the two is that Tebow did something that no other qb has ever done.

there's not another player that can put that on their resume this year.
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UF has big time weapons on O. If Harvin and Caldwell are Taylor and Rogers, he is an entirely different football player.
 
#40
#40
It's impossible to answer this categorically because the standard is so poorly defined. "Outstanding" is one thing, but in practice it's more like, "the best quarterback or running back who plays for a traditional football power that's having a winning season."

McFadden is the best player in college football, and it isn't even close. Tebow had the best year of anybody in college football, and it isn't close either. Whichever one you pick depends on what you think the word "outstanding" means.
 
#42
#42
VOLatile said:
Brennan and I'm being serious.
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When Brennan went out and their backup came in and put up numbers "that project out to be about the same as Brennan's," as the announcers kept telling us during that Nevada game, then that's a pretty good indication that he's a system quarterback.

(Of course, the same argument could be made against Tebow -- if he plays in any other offense in the country, then no way he gets the same numbers, because most of those rushing TDs would have gone to an actual running back. Like Brennan, Tebow's numbers are phenomenal because his number of attempts is phenomenal. He's either passing the ball or running himself on what, 90% of Florida's plays?)
 
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#43
Vercingetorix said:
When Brennan went out and their backup came in and put up numbers "that project out to be about the same as Brennan's," as the announcers kept telling us during that Nevada game, then that's a pretty good indication that he's a system quarterback.

(Of course, the same argument could be made against Tebow -- if he plays in any other offense in the country, then no way he gets the same numbers, because most of those rushing TDs would have gone to an actual running back. Like Brennan, Tebow's numbers are phenomenal because his number of attempts is phenomenal. He's either passing the ball or running himself on what, 90% of Florida's plays?)
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Exactly... why pick a guy from my hated rival over someone from a school that I actually like and a system I actually like? The guys good... probably why I should win the Heisman.
 
#44
#44
Vercingetorix said:
When Brennan went out and their backup came in and put up numbers "that project out to be about the same as Brennan's," as the announcers kept telling us during that Nevada game, then that's a pretty good indication that he's a system quarterback.

(Of course, the same argument could be made against Tebow -- if he plays in any other offense in the country, then no way he gets the same numbers, because most of those rushing TDs would have gone to an actual running back. Like Brennan, Tebow's numbers are phenomenal because his number of attempts is phenomenal. He's either passing the ball or running himself on what, 90% of Florida's plays?)
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leak ran tebows system and didn't put up NEARLY as good numbers. no where close. timmy chang put up similar numbers at hawaii. brennan is a good qb, but not in tebow's league.
 
#45
#45
Vercingetorix said:
When Brennan went out and their backup came in and put up numbers "that project out to be about the same as Brennan's," as the announcers kept telling us during that Nevada game, then that's a pretty good indication that he's a system quarterback.

(Of course, the same argument could be made against Tebow -- if he plays in any other offense in the country, then no way he gets the same numbers, because most of those rushing TDs would have gone to an actual running back. Like Brennan, Tebow's numbers are phenomenal because his number of attempts is phenomenal. He's either passing the ball or running himself on what, 90% of Florida's plays?)
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Tebow is surrounded by playmakers. Only exception is no true RB, and even then we used some of our WRs for various plays. The notion that Tebow does not deserve the Heisman because he touches the ball so many times is just the most Vol-biased bunch of crap I've ever read. He gets the touches because he's that good, not because there isn't anyone else to give it to.

I mean hate the Gators all you want, but don't make a blithering idiot out of yourself.
 
#46
#46
lawgator1 said:
Tebow is surrounded by playmakers. Only exception is no true RB, and even then we used some of our WRs for various plays. The notion that Tebow does not deserve the Heisman because he touches the ball so many times is just the most Vol-biased bunch of crap I've ever read. He gets the touches because he's that good, not because there isn't anyone else to give it to.

I mean hate the Gators all you want, but don't make a blithering idiot out of yourself.
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Oh don't be an ass. If Brennan is going to be penalized for being a "system" QB than so should Tebow.

I'm not knocking the guy. He's a helluva athlete.

Look at McFadden. He's not surrounded by playmakers.
 
#47
#47
justingroves said:
Oh don't be an ass. If Brennan is going to be penalized for being a "system" QB than so should Tebow.

I'm not knocking the guy. He's a helluva athlete.

Look at McFadden. He's not surrounded by playmakers.
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Justin, please. In the sense that you are using the word "system," every successful athlete is in a "system." Tebow was recruited because it works for Meyer's spread option "system." So what? Maybe Manning was recruited because he fit the drop back passer profile. Just because the athlete has the right tools to match up to the coach's vision doesn't mean that you ding the guy. Especially one that used his raw athlketic ability play after play, score after score.

I don't penalize Brennan for being in a particular system or having a particular style. I penalize him because he plays against crap defenses.
 
#48
#48
McFadden is the most outstanding football player in America and it is not really close. He is the best running back I have ever seen in person (and that is saying something). Last year they held it against him for being a Soph and this year they are going to give it to a Soph? There is so much hypocricy in the Hman voting it is disgusting. Taking nothing away from Tebow but there is no way he is a better football player than McFadden. 17 of his Rushing TD's were from 3 yards or closer. Why? No back at UF to hand it off to. If stats are all you look at then there is no question you go with Colt Brennan. Looking at the body of work and what you did it against it is clear to those who know football that McFadden earned this trophy.
 
#49
#49
VolBeef88 said:
McFadden is the most outstanding football player in America and it is not really close. He is the best running back I have ever seen in person (and that is saying something). Last year they held it against him for being a Soph and this year they are going to give it to a Soph? There is so much hypocricy in the Hman voting it is disgusting. Taking nothing away from Tebow but there is no way he is a better football player than McFadden. 17 of his Rushing TD's were from 3 yards or closer. Why? No back at UF to hand it off to. If stats are all you look at then there is no question you go with Colt Brennan. Looking at the body of work and what you did it against it is clear to those who know football that McFadden earned this trophy.
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