Zaay Green

You have kicked dog syndrome. UT WAS women’s basketball. Now we’re talking like this?

The LVs last appearance in a Final Four was 2007-2008 (Candace Parker's senior year); since then, the team has gone from elite 8 to sweet 16 to first round eliminations (all the under the last compromised years of CPS and Holly).

So, yes the LVs were once the flagship program of WCBB but coaches don't take jobs based on the world as it was 12 years ago and lots of other schools have significantly upped their commitment to women's basketball.

But, you can keep insisting that all the top coaches SHOULD have come running to take the job. I guess they just did not get the memo.

I think Kellie will prove out to be a good hire. But, the answer to that question will be revealed in the next two seasons. But keep rushing to judgment.
 
Y'all act like this is the men's game and there are soooo many good programs out there. There are several coaches with better resumes that would've come here. And I don't even mean elite coaches, either, just better than Kellie -- that's how unremarkable her record as HC has been. The catch is that 1) they wouldn't have come for as cheaply as Kellie and 2) they wouldn't have satisfied the faction of the fan base that is obsessed with keeping it in the LV family.

I said when the hire was made that I would rather take a chance on an elite assistant like Niele Ivey than an alum with an up and down history as a coach -- with most downs than ups. (Also it's funny how Ivey left for the NBA in a heartbeat after soooo many people here said she would never leave ND.) Y'all need to understand that Kellie never would've even been considered if she weren't an alum. And there were coaches at bigger schools with more consistent records that would've been better candidates. But some people would rather lose with an alum than win with someone who isn't, and that's just the truth whether y'all like it or not.
 
(1) Entry to triple-covered post;

(2) In-bounds to teammate with back turned;

(3) Bounce pass to ankles;

(4) Outlet to opposite team;

(5) Half-court break toss out of bounds;

(6) Cross-court to non-existent player.
No No........ Zaay was cbarged w/ simple possession and causal xchange.. But that was real funny this. What would you have posted if I said ... simple possession?
 
It may be the need to sever ties with those that were part of that situation. Moving will not stop the legal action but will put her into a new group of people.
Yes. Sometimes your best buds on a team make it hard to change your behavior..... know what I mean?
 
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What in the hell are you talking about? The class with Green and Mass was a top five class and both five star prospects. Just how much better recruits do they need? The fact is, they were recruited under Holly, stayed to give Harper a chance, and left. Kelly inherited more talent than she’s ever had as a coach, period, and it’s not close. The team fell apart and got worse as the year went along.

The year before they were rated the #1 class by many. The issue hasn’t been talent level, but coaching.

Anyone who wants to try painting the loss of two 5 star starters as no big deal, or a move to get “better” players, is out of their frigging mind. Maybe Kellie can talk to her husband. If you want to know what to expect just look at her record at NC State. 70-64 in four years and fired. That’s horrible and it’s pretty sad that at this stage that’s all UT can get.
Naw, dog, it ain’t Kellie. You had a mix of players that had too much fun together.
 
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Yep. The fact that people are painting this picture of Kellie taking over a talent-challenged team is ridiculous. But our fanbase loves defending marginal-to-bad coaches. They did it for years with Holly despite the writing being on the wall from day one, so I'm not at all surprised that it's happening with Kellie, especially given her status as one of the most popular former players in program history.

Holly's problem wasn't recruiting. It was coaching. I mean, the recruiting classes weren't probably on part with say UConn or Baylor, but the issue was her lack of player development. And Kellie and her staff haven't shown anywhere near that competence in recruiting just yet. I don't see how anyone can objectively say that the hire was correct as of yet. Still too early to tell but the signs point to things not getting better, and even potentially going even further downhill.
Kellie doesn’t even have a recruiting class on the floor yet. You barkin up the wrong tree.
 
No No........ Zaay was cbarged w/ simple possession and causal xchange.. But that was real funny this. What would you have posted if I said ... simple possession?

Hanging out at the top of the key and dribbling around the perimeter for 28 seconds before jacking up an off-balance desperation heave.
 
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Y'all act like this is the men's game and there are soooo many good programs out there. There are several coaches with better resumes that would've come here. And I don't even mean elite coaches, either, just better than Kellie -- that's how unremarkable her record as HC has been. The catch is that 1) they wouldn't have come for as cheaply as Kellie and 2) they wouldn't have satisfied the faction of the fan base that is obsessed with keeping it in the LV family.

I said when the hire was made that I would rather take a chance on an elite assistant like Niele Ivey than an alum with an up and down history as a coach -- with most downs than ups. (Also it's funny how Ivey left for the NBA in a heartbeat after soooo many people here said she would never leave ND.) Y'all need to understand that Kellie never would've even been considered if she weren't an alum. And there were coaches at bigger schools with more consistent records that would've been better candidates. But some people would rather lose with an alum than win with someone who isn't, and that's just the truth whether y'all like it or not.
Y'all act like this is the men's game and there are soooo many good programs out there. There are several coaches with better resumes that would've come here. And I don't even mean elite coaches, either, just better than Kellie -- that's how unremarkable her record as HC has been. The catch is that 1) they wouldn't have come for as cheaply as Kellie and 2) they wouldn't have satisfied the faction of the fan base that is obsessed with keeping it in the LV family.

I said when the hire was made that I would rather take a chance on an elite assistant like Niele Ivey than an alum with an up and down history as a coach -- with most downs than ups. (Also it's funny how Ivey left for the NBA in a heartbeat after soooo many people here said she would never leave ND.) Y'all need to understand that Kellie never would've even been considered if she weren't an alum. And there were coaches at bigger schools with more consistent records that would've been better candidates. But some people would rather lose with an alum than win with someone who isn't, and that's just the truth whether y'all like it or not.
Yes!
 
The LVs last appearance in a Final Four was 2007-2008 (Candace Parker's senior year); since then, the team has gone from elite 8 to sweet 16 to first round eliminations (all the under the last compromised years of CPS and Holly).

So, yes the LVs were once the flagship program of WCBB but coaches don't take jobs based on the world as it was 12 years ago and lots of other schools have significantly upped their commitment to women's basketball.

But, you can keep insisting that all the top coaches SHOULD have come running to take the job. I guess they just did not get the memo.

I think Kellie will prove out to be a good hire. But, the answer to that question will be revealed in the next two seasons. But keep rushing to judgment.
Thanks for the history lesson. You’re missing it. UT is t just a good program that has been down. I’d argue that it “is” women’s basketball in many ways. There is a reason the women’s basketball hall of fame is here. Good grief.
 
Were in on way to many players to come to any conclusion about the 2021 class. The list is over 20 and for some were in at least their top six teams. You only need three or four more of those players to be ranked at least top ten maybe higher.
 
Were in on way to many players to come to any conclusion about the 2021 class. The list is over 20 and for some were in at least their top six teams. You only need three or four more of those players to be ranked at least top ten maybe higher.

My count is 24 .... without Ducharme (UConn)
 
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Were in on way to many players to come to any conclusion about the 2021 class. The list is over 20 and for some were in at least their top six teams. You only need three or four more of those players to be ranked at least top ten maybe higher.
Don't get too locked in with the HoopGurlz rankings. After the top 2 or 3 players there is a wide range of opinions from the various services. Any top 50 player can be a big contributor by their junior year. It is a great goal to have a pipeline of players who are learning the game and content to trust their coach that their day is coming.

My particular feeling is that if the transfer portal continues the way is has, some programs are going to become nothing more than glorified AAU teams with little team discipline or chemistry. Look at the Gonzaga men, typically a top program with players you never heard of. The smart teams will not jump the shark by grabbing high profile players that put up great stats but don't win big games.
 
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Jazmine and Zaay came here because of the banners hanging in TBA. They're leaving with the realization that the program that hung those banners is no more and is basically in a ditch. Best wishes to them both in their move to higher ground.

On the negative side, the administration will likely give Kelly more time to turn things around, due to these "unforeseen setbacks". More time than she got at NCSt, I expect.
 
Jazmine and Zaay came here because of the banners hanging in TBA. They're leaving with the realization that the program that hung those banners is no more and is basically in a ditch. Best wishes to them both in their move to higher ground.

On the negative side, the administration will likely give Kelly more time to turn things around, due to these "unforeseen setbacks". More time than she got at NCSt, I expect.

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Jazmine and Zaay came here because of the banners hanging in TBA. They're leaving with the realization that the program that hung those banners is no more and is basically in a ditch. Best wishes to them both in their move to higher ground.

On the negative side, the administration will likely give Kelly more time to turn things around, due to these "unforeseen setbacks". More time than she got at NCSt, I expect.
How does a player being shown the door for various reasons mean she is leaving because the program is no more and is in the ditch. The facts don't back up your assumptions. Is every team that has a player transfer out, no more and in the ditch? Lot's of teams in the ditch including South Carolina, Baylor and Uconn if that is the case.
 
Jazmine and Zaay came here because of the banners hanging in TBA. They're leaving with the realization that the program that hung those banners is no more and is basically in a ditch. Best wishes to them both in their move to higher ground.

On the negative side, the administration will likely give Kelly more time to turn things around, due to these "unforeseen setbacks". More time than she got at NCSt, I expect.

You do realize that was not Green’s case at all. She got a misdemeanor charge, took responsibility for her actions, and decided it was in her best interest to leave and get a fresh start. It wasn’t like she just up and left without anything happening.

I don’t know if you didn’t realize that is what happened with Zaay but just wanted you to have the other part of the story of why she left.
 
I believe the posters calling both of our transfers "defectors" who left because they are "seeking higher ground" might want to do even a miniscule amount of research into the reason behind one of the transfers. Unless other evidence is forthcoming, there's no reason to doubt the player's own words. That situation should not be twisted into some fanciful attack upon the program. To do so seems agenda-driven rather than factually-based.

And not going to make a nasty pun from the poster's remarks, as I sincerely wish the best future in life for the player involved. Young people make mistakes, even serious ones. We should all hope that they will seize oppotunities to follow a successful path.
 
Thanks for the history lesson. You’re missing it. UT is t just a good program that has been down. I’d argue that it “is” women’s basketball in many ways. There is a reason the women’s basketball hall of fame is here. Good grief.

What MTV doesn't get is that the coach that he defended for years, Holly Warlick, is the main reason for the things that he listed. Even with the years of mediocrity under Holly, with the fan support and tradition, there's only a handful of coaches who wouldn't have come here if UT had been willing to actually pay for a coach that could get us back on top.

The bottom line is the UTAD doesn't really care if the women's basketball program is elite ever again. When you go after a coach with a marginal amount of money in your pocket, you'll get a marginal coach and you'll get marginal results.
 
I believe the posters calling both of our transfers "defectors" who left because they are "seeking higher ground" might want to do even a minuscule amount of research into the reason behind one of the transfers. Unless other evidence is forthcoming, there's no reason to doubt the player's own words. That situation should not be twisted into some fanciful attack upon the program. To do so seems agenda-driven rather than factually-based.

And not going to make a nasty pun from the poster's remarks, as I sincerely wish the best future in life for the player involved. Young people make mistakes, even serious ones. We should all hope that they will seize oppotunities to follow a successful path.

as posted by @madtownvol :

On the gf speculation from a trolly board member. Here is what Jazz just posted on the LV FB page:

I’ve seen a lot of the comments and assumptions y’all are making about my decision to transfer. I made the best decision for me. Let’s make this REAL clear. I’m not transferring over a girl. Just because I watched my gf’s championship game at the SEC tournament doesn’t mean that’s where I’m going. I was being supportive of my gf which is technically nobody else’s business. I don’t mix my personal life with my basketball life, not that I have to explain or acknowledge any of the negativity attached to my name. The assumptions y’all come up with are actually ridiculous. Y’all know me as an athlete...so stop acting like y’all know me outside of basketball. My decision has been made because I’m grown enough to make my OWN decisions. Keep the negativity and assumptions to yourselves.


This site had a huge impact in that girl's decision.
It is read by players, coaches, media, potential recruits, and we posters.

The internet is worldwide but people use it like it is a backyard fence
Posters are tearing down the very program they say they back by not thinking about the big picture audience.

This is why I "white Knight",,,because I know the players, families, recruits need to see that there are actually posters on here who want them here.

I know that some of you here think my only purpose for being here is to try to use it for a platform to get into the program. And yes, that is a goal of mine and I will not deny it.

But my heart is orange and has been since 1976 when my Dad and I would watch CPS and her teams with as much fervor as we did when the Lakers played the Celtics.

I care about and fight for this team on more platforms than just here.
But I consider this one the most important because last year I was entrusted with doing the game threads and knew of the lofty expectations following Vn legend, governmentmule. I considered it an honor to carry his yoke for a year.

I know what will happen when I write this, 2-3 of my more ardent supporters will give me a like and a hell yeah. . . Followed by 10-15 calling me out and calling me names. But I take this abuse willingly if it will positively influence someone to think about what they say on this site before they say it.
 
Coach, your reminiscing brought back memories of watching LV games with my dad. I wouldn't call him a misogynist, but he was pretty old-school when it came to women's places in society (was always a sore spot that my college-educated teacher mom made more than he did as a h.s. dropout plant worker).

Nonetheless, he always relished watching "Pat" go after referees and regarded her as highly as any men's coach (and was proud to have her represent our state). It changed his whole attitude toward women's athletics and, I believe, women in general. Even my mom, who couldn't care less about sports, would watch Lady Vols games...and that's saying a lot.

When my dad was dying of lung cancer, I wrote a note to the athletic department expressing his admiration for the program and their influence. They responded by sending a large of media guides and programs. Sadly, my dad passed away a week before the package arrived, but my mom treasured the gesture. It really helped dyring that time.
 
No one is getting high level players in that conference. Horrible comparison. When she did coach at a higher level program she literally fell on her face.

I think 5-stars are entitled. Entitled to exceptional coaching. I don’t think KJH is an exceptional coach .

For a program at the level of UT this is like Alabama accepting Mike Shula because he’s an alum.

In 2 to 3 years, I hope this post can be retrieved so that you, and all the others on this site, can see how ridiculous it is that you would make such a remark about Kellie. She will prove to be great, just as she proved to be a great Lady Vol who gave her all to winning. AND WINNING SHE DID.
 

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