Zimmerman charged with 2nd degree murder

#51
#51
Georgia Peach said:
There will be an uproar regardless. I'm glad he is getting a trial. He has the right to a fair trial, whether he is guilty or not. Though I think there should be limitation on public access during the proceedings. The media has already done an effective job of manipulating this case before it's been properly presented, IMO.
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Florida has the "Sunshine Law", the court proceedings will be on TV.
 
#52
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volfanjustin said:
The uproar if found not guilty will likely be violent.
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I agree. And there have already been a siginificant amount of underreported incidents involving retaliation beatings without the trial. I just hope these incidents don't affect the outcome. Like I said, guilty or not, we need to know the facts. Everything is happening backwards.
 
#54
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One wonders if the plan is to over-charge with the express intent of having a lesser plea accepted down the road. The "law" gets to say "Look, we charged the guy with 2nd Degree Murder but couldn't make the evidence stick" so they've got the "You can't say we didn't try." defense going for them in the public eye.
 
#55
#55
I really doubt there will be a trial. The DA didn't want it to go to a grand jury and take the risk of them refusing to indite so she charged the highest charge she could without a GJ, 2nd degree murder.

She will offer a plea to manslaughter or something, no jail time but still a felony. The prosecutor dosn't want this to go to trial, no way they get a conviction, more likey a hung jury. In the end GZ is ruined and everyone feels justice is served, rightly or not.
 
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#56
TM's mom said in an interview on CNN, that she believes that the shooting was an ACCIDENT......I have said all along that the parents are being used as pawns by AS. To me, her statement proves it.
 
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hndog609 said:
One wonders if the plan is to over-charge with the express intent of having a lesser plea accepted down the road. The "law" gets to say "Look, we charged the guy with 2nd Degree Murder but couldn't make the evidence stick" so they've got the "You can't say we didn't try." defense going for them in the public eye.
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That's the game sometimes. Doesn't mean it necessarily happened here though.

hog88 said:
I really doubt there will be a trial. The DA didn't want it to go to a grand jury and take the risk of them refusing to indite so she charged the highest charge she could without a GJ, 2nd degree murder.

She will offer a plea to manslaughter or something, no jail time but still a felony. The prosecutor dosn't want this to go to trial, no way they get a conviction, more likey a hung jury. In the end GZ is ruined and everyone feels justice is served, rightly or not.
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She didn't go to the GJ because she didn't need to. GZ will serve time unless he's acquitted.
 
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T-TownVol said:
TM's mom said in an interview on CNN, that she believes that the shooting was an ACCIDENT......I have said all along that the parents are being used as pawns by AS. To me, her statement proves it.
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Exactly, how is this being overlooked?
 
#59
#59
TennesseeOrange said:
That's the game sometimes. Doesn't mean it necessarily happened here though.



She didn't go to the GJ because she didn't need to. GZ will serve time unless he's acquitted.
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I disagree, it would have been a HUGE risk to go to GJ and charges might not have ever been brought.
 
#60
#60
TennesseeOrange said:
That's the game sometimes. Doesn't mean it necessarily happened here though.
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True, but given the fact that there is no small amount of evidence that at least partially substantiates Zimmerman's claim he was attacked to come out of the gates with 2nd degree murder looks like a reach. A reaching first charge is the tactic used to fish for plea.

It's also a gamble. If you charge more than you can prove you risk an outright acquittal.
 
#61
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T-TownVol said:
I disagree, it would have been a HUGE risk to go to GJ and charges might not have ever been brought.
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She specifically stated she always preferred to charge instead of going to the GJ. It's pretty common, and while it can be a reflection of the risk, it doesn't necessarily mean that.

hndog609 said:
True, but given the fact that there is no small amount of evidence that at least partially substantiates Zimmerman's claim he was attacked to come out of the gates with 2nd degree murder looks like a reach. A reaching first charge is the tactic used to fish for plea.

It's also a gamble. If you charge more than you can prove you risk an outright acquittal.
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I was agreeing with you. However, it's impossible to say they're reaching without having a view of all the evidence.
 
#63
#63
T-TownVol said:
TM's mom said in an interview on CNN, that she believes that the shooting was an ACCIDENT......I have said all along that the parents are being used as pawns by AS. To me, her statement proves it.
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That could still backfire on Zimmerman as it could imply to some that he not only carried a firearm that he didn't really need for neighborhood watch, but also didn't know how to properly handle or operate said firearm.
 
#64
#64
DynamiteMcGhee said:
That could still backfire on Zimmerman as it could imply to some that he not only carried a firearm that he didn't really need for neighborhood watch, but also didn't know how to properly handle or operate said firearm.
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one report indicated that TM grabbed for GZ's weapon. maybe that's what she's referring to?

is accidental discharge possible in a case like this?
 
#66
#66
dreVol said:
one report indicated that TM grabbed for GZ's weapon. maybe that's what she's referring to?

is accidental discharge possible in a case like this?
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That's possible I suppose. I imagine enough jostling could very easily cause an accidental discharge.
 
#72
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vols-1 said:
I think most agree he will be convicted. You don't think FL rebublicans are going to let a good democrat off the hook do you?
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I don't think he gets convicted. He may not be a D anymore seeing how they are all ok with bounties being put on his head
 
#73
#73
utvolpj said:
really? I would disagree
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With the caveat that I obviously have no idea of any evidence that's not been released I think an actual conviction of the original charge (2nd DM) to be highly unlikely.

If we're talking a "guilty" by way of a plea then that sounds more plausible.
 
#75
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hndog609 said:
With the caveat that I obviously have no idea of any evidence that's not been released I think an actual conviction of the original charge (2nd DM) to be highly unlikely.

If we're talking a "guilty" by way of a plea then that sounds more plausible.
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prosecutor has probably taken a plea out of the picture with this charge.....if i was GZ's attorney I would counsel against as it is now 2nd degree or nothing if I understand it properly, some are saying that if it gets to a jury, they could be allowed to convict on the lesser of manslaughter, I am not sure about that
 
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