Jones now has hottest seat in SEC

#127
#127
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
 
#128
#128
FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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Thanks for starting with an insult. I knew to stop right there
 
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#129
#129
FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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You started being a fan in the late 2000s, didn't you?
 
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#130
FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who is their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, it like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What make you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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Tell us how you really feel....

I have tried to give Jones some slack, but its year 5. If there is truly no improvement from the last two years, it may be time to look elsewhere.

How can a guy like Fuente go to VT and in his first year go to the ACC championship, and second year be ranked in the top 15 with a great shot at repeating, do it with lower ranked recruiting classes? It's coaching and player development. It doesn't take 7 years to build a program that hasn't had a recruiting class outside the top 25 in that timeframe.
 
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#132
#132
Honestly, stuff like this will change every week when one coach or another suffers a set back. If Jones wins one of the 3 big games remaining and wins the other 6... he finishes 9-3 and the explanation that UT's receivers were too green to win in the Swamp helps him survive. It could even become a positive point if UF takes advantage of their lame schedule and wins the East again. UT would have been within one "lucky" play by UF of winning the East after losing all of its stars from '16.

I've said all along that I'd be satisfied if he goes 9-3 and as sickening as the UF loss was... I'll stick by that expectation.
 
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#133
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tvolsfan said:
No they shouldn’t. Definitely not Malzahn.
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Look at his record the last two years at Auburn.... not as good as Butch.... and their offense this year is hot garbage. They're gonna lose several more games.... just wait and see
 
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#134
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FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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Lol.

Because we are headed that way now.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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Wow man, that's a lot of straw man arguments in one poorly structured paragraph to essentially say, 'Butch is better than Dooley!'

The 'Better-than-Dooley' argument doesn't work in year 5; contrary to your desires, Dooley is not the measuring stick for coaching success at the University of Tennessee.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Wow man, that's a lot of straw man arguments in one poorly structured paragraph to essentially say 'Butch is better than Dooley!'

The 'Better-than-Dooley' argument doesn't work in year 5; contrary to your desires Dooley is not the measuring stick for coaching success at the University of Tennessee.
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Agreed. And "progress" can't be the excuse either. It is cliché... but a GREAT cliché... "good is the enemy of better and better is the enemy of best." The whole notion that we should simply be satisfied with "better"... is cancerous.
 
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#138
Perhaps we can clarify things a bit here.

All we really want in our head coach is:

a) Recruit top scholar/athletes and outstanding citizens, garnering a top 10 class each year, and
b) Win a minimum of 9 games each year, and
c) Compete for the conference championship annually, winning it more times than not, and
d) Keep the team performing at a level where we (and they) can hold our heads up proudly every week, and
e) Beat Alabama, Florida, and Georgia with consistency, and
f) Face any other team in the country with the confident expectation of winning, and
g) Occasionally go undefeated, untied and unscored upon through a season or two.

Is that so much to ask for?
 
#139
#139
Bulemic and Sumlin face off today. The loser, replaces Jones unless the Vols somehow lose this game.

Sumlin could well be gone before next Saturday if he loses.
 
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PapaCod said:
Perhaps we can clarify things a bit here.

All we really want in our head coach is:

a) Recruit top scholar/athletes and outstanding citizens, garnering a top 10 class each year, and
b) Win a minimum of 9 games each year, and
c) Compete for the conference championship annually, winning it more times than not, and
d) Keep the team performing at a level where we (and they) can hold our heads up proudly every week, and
e) Beat Alabama, Florida, and Georgia with consistency, and
f) Face any other team in the country with the confident expectation of winning, and
g) Occasionally go undefeated, untied and unscored upon through a season or two.

Is that so much to ask for?
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Nope. Solid first post. Welcome to VN, pal!
 
#144
#144
PapaCod said:
Perhaps we can clarify things a bit here.

All we really want in our head coach is:

a) Recruit top scholar/athletes and outstanding citizens, garnering a top 10 class each year, and
b) Win a minimum of 9 games each year, and
c) Compete for the conference championship annually, winning it more times than not, and
d) Keep the team performing at a level where we (and they) can hold our heads up proudly every week, and
e) Beat Alabama, Florida, and Georgia with consistency, and
f) Face any other team in the country with the confident expectation of winning, and
g) Occasionally go undefeated, untied and unscored upon through a season or two.

Is that so much to ask for?
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All I want in a headcoach is:

A. Win ball games.
 
#146
#146
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Tell us how you really feel....

I have tried to give Jones some slack, but its year 5. If there is truly no improvement from the last two years, it may be time to look elsewhere.

How can a guy like Fuente go to VT and in his first year go to the ACC championship, and second year be ranked in the top 15 with a great shot at repeating, do it with lower ranked recruiting classes? It's coaching and player development. It doesn't take 7 years to build a program that hasn't had a recruiting class outside the top 25 in that timeframe.
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And Tennessee whipped the Hokies so what's your point about Fuente. If the Vols go after a new coach it would be someone like Greg Schiano...former coach of Tampa Bay Bucs and Rutgers and now DC at Ohio St.
 
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#147
PapaCod said:
Perhaps we can clarify things a bit here.

All we really want in our head coach is:

a) Recruit top scholar/athletes and outstanding citizens, garnering a top 10 class each year, and
b) Win a minimum of 9 games each year, and
c) Compete for the conference championship annually, winning it more times than not, and
d) Keep the team performing at a level where we (and they) can hold our heads up proudly every week, and
e) Beat Alabama, Florida, and Georgia with consistency, and
f) Face any other team in the country with the confident expectation of winning, and
g) Occasionally go undefeated, untied and unscored upon through a season or two.

Is that so much to ask for?
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Maybe we just need a coach that can take a real good recruiting class and develop them...........and not (two years later say "ahhhhh the guy can't line up under center).
Maybe we need a coach that can take a team with talent and not lose (consistently) to teams with less talent, and who can win vs ranked teams (teams with similar talent) consistently.

Develop talent, and win games.........maybe that is ALL we need.
 
#148
#148
If Tennessee loses today..I’m clocking out until Tennessee makes a change to the head coach position. No more money from me until that happens. I’m tired of watching this guy further make Tennessee a mediocre program.
 
#149
#149
FlyFishnVol said:
Butch is safe, because everyone that is NOT a moron can see the positive progression he has made since his arrival. The only problem here is, some fans, have their lives so wrapped around this team that it has choked out any remembrance of what this team has been through before CBJ. Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley.......WOW! and some of you want to go back to that? do you really think any other coach wants to come to UT with the vile and venomous crap you type of these blogs.......who in their right minds would want to coach for a bunch of ungrateful and entitlement laden fans? What happen if Coach Jones is fired and they hire another......how long do we give him to bring us to the level of Bama? 2, 3 or 4 years. I am amazed at the level of detachment some of you have of reality, its like you think we hire some guy and the next year we are competing for a NC. It didn't happen at USC, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Norte Dame, Florida State, Oregon etc. etc. What makes you think UT can make a turn around like Bama with Saban with another new coach? Wow!
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lol:lolabove:
 
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